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DEBATE AND MANIFESTATIONS CONCERNING THE BOOK-SERIES ON HISTORICAL MOSES |
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Message, 4 October 2006 -
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Concerning: Moses & New Research / Mysteriet om Moses Revurderet.
Message: Many thanks, Ove von Spaeth, you have given us knowledge and
insight and opened our eyes concerning the world religions. You have got some
small, however, exclusive fan club in Moss, Norway!
Mai-Liis Gilde, Norway - maigil@online.no
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Factbites.com, permanent text of 24 November
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| Moses in the von Spaeth analysis - and Hatshepsut |
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Factbites.com -
http://www.factbites.com/topics/1487-BC. -Topic:
1487BC on Moses
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Assassinating Moses, Vol. 1: Reviews
- Moses was not a Hebrew, he was
Egyptian, probably his name was Tuth-mosis, and he was the genuine child of
Hatshepsut, the daughter of the former pharaoh, and he was the heir to the
throne in the vast Egyptian kingdom.
- Lepsius claimed that Moses was
contemporary with Pharaoh Ramses II around 1500 B.C. However, when it was later
discovered that Ramses II was probably living in 1200, the dating of Moses was
also removed to 1200, because in the meantime the anticipation of the time of
the two persons being the same had become evident.
- 1509-1487 B.C. This person, "the
daughter of Pharaoh" is in the von Spaeth analysis being the mother of Moses
and, thus, not his adoptive mother, as the Old Testament is suggesting.
www.moses-egypt.net/book1/moses1-reviews_en.asp (5094 words)
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Letter, 10 March 2006 -
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| A more precise dating of Moses |
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When we are hearing so much about different centuries in which Moses is
said to have lived, we sometimes also hear even about that he has not
existed. By this we can figure out that most of these rumers are not
correct, and that is why some will assertain that Moses is a myth - which
also should be wrong according to the many existing statements from ancient
history. So, how is the present situation, and maybe some new results may
concern the decisive question? Thanks for your work,
ALM, arch.,
Copenhagen, - a reader with a great interest in history -
(10.Mar.2006)
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:: OvS's reply. - The necessary information
is now available - it concerns at least three
independent, astronomically verifiable checkpoints of the time of Moses -
i.e. the birth of Moses, the Exodus from Egypt, and the invasion of Canaan:
1. According to Rabbi Abrabanel's information (published in 1497)
based on very old Jewish traditions about the birth of Moses, this took
place three years after the great conjunction of planets in the celestial
sector later known as Pisces. Computations show this great event was the
only great conjunction in this sector for many hundreds of years and the
biggest one in a millennium - and that it took place in February 1537 BC.
This proves the birth of Moses to be in February 1534 BC - cf. genuine
documentation in detail: Ove von Spaeth's book, "The
Suppressed Record". Of greatest interest is that this is all being in
accordance with the Rabbinical Writings about the birth of Moses in the
Jewish month adar (February/March when translated to modern calendar style).
2. According to
Josephus the Israelite Exodus took place in "Moses' 80th year", i.e. when
Moses was 79 years of age. In 1454 BC, the Israelite Exodus from Egypt took
place these 79 years after the birth of Moses. The date of this first Easter
can be astronomically computed: in the Bible ("Book of Exodus") the first
Easter was determined from the first full moon at the 14th day of the first
spring month, i.e. the first full moon after vernal equinox; the culmination
of this full moon took place even on the very day of equinox in 1454 BC, on
the 21st March (translated to modern calendar style).
3. The
battle of Joshua - at Gibeon where "... the sun stood still ..." ("Book of
Joshua", 10:12-13) in 1415 BC - the Israelite year of invasion, 39-40 years
after the beginning of the exodus, is anticipated to have taken place
simultaneously with a special, celestial phenomenon. In Ove von Spaeth's book, "The
Vanished Successor" (vol. 3 of the the series "Assassinating Moses") on
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Rediscovering the Hidden War Leading to Exodus ...", this is carefully
investigated and it contains a dicovering of a rare kind of a total lunar
eclipse, i.e. the "Cleomedes phenomenon" appearing on 25th June, by sunset,
1415 BC.
The archaeological results acheived by the very experienced John Garstang,
from his 7 years of digging out the ruins of Jericho - and later his
colleague John J. Bimson's scientific examination by chemical analysis of
the pottery found at the site - confirm in all respects the dating.
However, many scholars
hesitate to carry out inter-scientifically investigation and taking
advantage of comparing and testing results across the bounderies of the many
disciplines involved, and do not want to change a hitherto belief in a later
dating although it is altogether a non-consistant and non-documented dating
also eading to the belief that
these biblical events are only myths.
The great
correspondance in our case - between datings from archeological results,
chemical analysis, astronomical phaenomena, information given by Josephus,
Philo, the Egyptian-Greek historian Manetho, and by rabbi Abrabanel too,
and in addition the data in the Rabbinical Writings - are all even more than
compelling. Archaeologists and historians should really take an interest in
this comprehensive and stricktly logical context which hitherto have not
been seen elsewhere.
Ove von Spaeth, writer, researcher - Zenith Project :
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book-series on the historical Moses,
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Concerning archaeological
and textual documentation:
Genuine Egyptian Source Documentation on
Moses
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On reprinting 'The Suppressed Record', mail
17 Januar 2004 - comment: |
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| The Hyksos People |
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Your books on Moses - initiate thinking - made me look for some subjects
which made me amazed when I read the books. I could not make notes during my
first reading because the books came from our public library, and I did not
wrote separate notes because I had planned to read the books again later.
However, I remember that
the Hyksos-people was not included in the word index of the first volume, and I
thought it was meant to be like that. But then I discovered that the subject is
registred in the second volume. -
Thanks for your work.
Sincerely,
Lena Rotenberg, - Educational Consultant and Deputy Chief
Assessor for the
International Baccalaureate Organisation's Theory of Knowledge Course
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lena.rotenberg@get2net.dk - (17.jan.2004)
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:: OvS's reply. - The subject in question,
the Hyksos-people, was also planned to be included in the first volume.
However, in spite of we have been more than careful from our side (you can
not imagine how many readings and so much extra checking) - by a
misunderstanding (ufortunately, not the only one) at the bookprinting office
after the proofreading it was kept out, a slip only discovered later when
too late - i.e after the publication.
However, a chance for
restoring came - by the reprinting of the volume 1 the item "Hyksos" is now
included - showing there can be read about the Hyksos at two places (pp. 100
and 108).
Concerning the Hyksos, I
discovered many years ago that we have got an extra clue showing something
about the "time background" for this Semitic people's occupation of Egypt in approx. 180 years - when they had their own leaders became the pharaohs.
During that time the likewise Semitic tibe, the Hebrew family of Jacob (Ya'qub)
and his sons immigrated to Egypt and settled there.
The oldest parts of the
Rabbinical Writings have the same age as the oldest parts of the Bible. In a
book of selected Rabbinical Writings (S. Baring-Gould: "Legends of Old
Testament Characters, from the Talmud and Other Sources", vol. 2, London
1871, p. 35) can be read about Joseph in Egypt on his journey when reaching
a certain city:
"... the caravan entered Heliopolis, the chief city of Egypt, which was the
under the government of Rajjan, the Amalekite ...".
The narratives handed
over, by oral tradition, were only manifested in writing (the Rabbinical
Writings) after approx. 1,500 years or more - and that is why the Egyptian
city of On is mentioned by its later name, Heliopolis. The important thing
is that in this case we are thus being informed by a source of 3,500 years
about the Hyksos invaders that (they and) their pharaohs were Amalekites.
As early as in the time
of Abraham - the Amalekites, according to Genesis 14:7, were known living in
a region near the biblical Mount Seir, which is identified in the high
mountainous range now located in "the Negev Highlands". Archaeology has
reveiled that in 18th century BC the Hyksos introduced in Egypt the chariot
and improved archery by using laminated bows. The simultaneous precense of
this historical documented Hyksos-people in Egypt seems to be the reason for
the biblical Joseph, although being a non-Egyptian, could be placed in a
most high position in Egypt.
When the Israelites'
exodus lead by Moses took place, a continous fighting started between the
two groups - until King David ca. 400 years later had the Amalikites
eliminated.
When claiming that
these parts of the Bible are myths many scholars are not able to document
it, and now such an ancient Rabbinical source of exact information is giving
them one big problem more.
Ove von Spaeth, writer, researcher - Zenith Project :
the
book-series on the historical Moses,
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Concerning archaeological
and textual documentation:
Genuine Egyptian Source Documentation on
Moses
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mail, 9 December 2003 - info: |
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Concerning the fact that I made some statemens about you and the News about
Moses in a web-forum - I occasionally exercise my 'discussion' muscles on the
Byzantine board. A few agree with my but most do not, and that forces me to do
more research. So I find that good for me. Quite besides, I am not Greek as you
may have supposed, - my name (Kaliss) is Polish (kaliz) but very similar to
Greek. My wife's family name is Malis - and that is Greek.
Thank you for the many
English texts already on your website, I will read them with interest, and look
forward to the day when all are published in English. -ray
Ray Kaliss, - rkaliss1@cox.net
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Readers' mail, 12 March 2008 -
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Concerning Ove von Spaeth's text about "Alchemy
by Moses" . I have now read this text a couple of times - with MUCH
great interest and profit!
The text is - as
everything else created by that author - a treasure of exiting, boarder-crossing
knowledge and new information. In addition, it is entertaining as a very good
novel.
Bjorn Andersen, B.A. and Senior Lecturer in Literary
criticism and Linguistic science at Copenhagen University, Journalist DJF,
former Programme Editor at the Danish National Television -
biorn@mail.dk - (12.Mar.2008)
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Readers' mail, 14 March 2008 -
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I find Ove von Spaeth's observations very interesting, although I'm not
well-versed in astronomy.
In my own book, "The
Exodus Chronicles: Beliefs, Legends & Rumors from Antiquity Regarding the Exodus
of the Jews from Egypt", (2003), I, too, suggested Senenmut as being a candidate
for Moses. This was based on the theory of "a very important man who disappears
and was not buried in either of his tombs".
But now I am no longer so
sure that Senenmut did disappear from Egypt, that he was not buried and that his
mummy hasn't been found. All of this I discuss here:
http://www.geocities.com/scribelist/Senenmut.html
In brief, is it possible
to ascertain if a certain mummy is the son of Rahotep and Hat nofret, the
parents of Senenmut. Theoretically--yes.
Marianne Luban, writer, -
mluban@netzero.net - send via
Authordata-2 - scientific achievements by Ove von Spaeth -
(14.Mar.2008)
Marianne Luban is the author of "The Pharaoh's Barber", Pacific Moon
Publications, 2008 -
www.amazon.com/Pharaohs-Barber-Marianne-Luban/dp/0972952411 - also,
Marianne Luban: "The Exodus Chronicles: Beliefs, Legends & Rumors from
Antiquity Regarding the Exodus of the Jews from Egypt", Pacific Moon
Publications, 2003 -
www.amazon.com/Exodus-Chronicles-Beliefs-Antiquity-Regarding/dp/0972952403
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:: OvS's reply. Senmut (Senenmut) was a
victim to the greatest major eradication of a name in all history of Egypt.
Earlier, when being the
Grand Vizier to the king (who was Queen/Pharaoh Hatshepsut), Senmut soon
held more than 20 of the superior offices in Egypt and at least 80 titles.
To have many titles was
not unknown - however, the majority of Senmut’s titles were not to embellish
but because his capacity was immense - so besides being the Grand Vizier he
was the country's main architect and constructor, Minister of Foreign
Affairs, chief of the calendar and astronomical observations, etc. Later - after his mysterious disappearance - his numerous posts close to the king
had to be divided into many viziers' offices.
Senmut disappeared - in
the same year as of Moses' flight, 1494 BC - and the new Pharaoh Tuthmosis
III took the power from Hatshepsut by a historical coup and gradually
destroyed most of Senmut's statues and inscriptions. It reveals the
intention that all important memories of Senmut's (Moses') identity were to
be deleted. He had been eliminated as the Pharaoh-to-be - he was not to be known by present or by future.
Destruction would not have taken place if Senmut/Moses had not been of
royal descent
The impression was to be that he had not existed at all. So, all over
Egypt, Senmut’s (Moses’) name was deleted during countrywide damnation
memoriae, to a total extent never seen before!
Senmut’s names and works
were subject to a collective, deliberate, comprehensive destruction. It was
the most extensive eradiation of names in all history of Egypt! Although
headed by Pharaoh himself (Tuthmosis III) and his staff this extensive
destruction would obviously not have caught so much attention and effort if
Senmut/Moses had not been of royal descent and initiated as heir to the
throne.
Destruction of the Senmut
name incriptions and statues meant real eradication. This was an extra way
to destroy his existence reaching much further than his earthly life, i.e.
the feared "second death", when all memories have vanished.
In Hatshepsut’s Deir
el-Bahari temple Senmut’s name was deleted in 66 of the "hidden" wainscots.
All over Egypt, in Nubia,
and even at Sinai, Tuthmosis III's helpers erased the Senmut name of most of
Senmut’s statues, portraits, and inscriptions.
No doubt that this
important figure had escaped - so much trouble would not have taken place if
he had been a deceased and/or had been thoroughly mummified.
Senmut's profile has the outlines of the Tuthmosis family
The one of the pictures with Senmut painted on the wall of his second
tomb has apparently been destroyed, but mainly the cheek and the chin as if
the goal was to remove the distinguished royal beard. And in this case it was an important part to destroy.
Some graffitis are
showing Senmut with dimples or double chin stripes added - it was a common
symbol of wealth - Senmut in his prime. So, these were not portraits and
cannot be used for comparison with mummies with dimples etc.
Re-use of the few spared
portraits have been easily established by the new ruler - cf. W. Stevenson
Smith in his "The Art and Architecture of Ancient Egypt" (New Haven 1981, p.
226) making precise statements on their looks, "... Senmut's profile has the
outlines of the Tuthmosis family. ..."
This supports the total
impression of Senmut as Hatshepsut’s son, because his looks resembled very
much that of other members of the royal family. And the changes of the
pictures in the chapel are so revealing that this fact may have caused the
demolition of the chapel soon after.
The picture manipulation
Only pictures precisely showing Senmut were damaged by the iconoclastic
riot. In order to be sure to win, Senmut "backed two horses" by being
portrayed both as the partly neutral crown prince and as Senmut - and yet he
lost. The fact that a few of his names were not deleted meant that in Duat,
the underworld, he was granted at that place a tiny chance of existence
instead of a complete eradication.
A grown-up, young man
dressed in a princely and even pharaonic ornate is depicted in the Deir
el-Bahari temple, in a scene showing Hatshepsut’s expedition to Punt. This
cannot be the person who later became Tuthmosis III, because he was only a
minor, a small child, at the time of this expedition.
Another relief in this
Hatshepsut temple shows - incompletely - a young royal couple (often the
Crown Princess Neferure is suggested as being one of them - and she also
disappeared from the scene), where the young man cannot be the later
Tuthmosis III due to his very young age. However, the motive may very well
show Senmut/Moses as a pharaonic prince.
Thus, the tactics of
Tuthmosis III could have been to spare the relief and let it suggest that he
was the person depicted as the crown prince. Compare the principle
corresponding to that of Tuthmosis III's when he transformed Hatshepsut’s
years of reign to his own years of reign - only to create an official
pre-history as a crown prince. In fact, most of his young years he spent as priest at a temple in the north at the Nile delta, according to his earliest
autobiographical inscriptions.
Ove von Spaeth, writer, researcher - the Zenith
Project, - topical:
www.moses-egypt.net/book2/moses2-inform_en.asp, copyright ©
2000 - (&: March,2006)
The above information is from Ove von
Spaeth's meticulous archaeological and textual documentation in his
book, "The
Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter" - on Moses' Identity and
Mystery Re-evaluated - vol.2 of the series "Assassinating Moses"
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Readers' mail, 17 March 2008 -
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Inspired from reading about ancient Egyptian science and modern research -
cf. the www-moses-egypt.net's pages, e.g. on "FAQ:
Dating Egypt's Oldest Star Map" - I will show the following:
"... The development of
science is perhaps 40% theoretical consensus. We, the interested professionals
and amateurs of the scientific community have serious debate and conversation
regarding the reasons some us have the urge to investigate issues and
programmes. ...
The Egyptians described
the human 'being' as a vessel of various degrees. The quotience of the vessel
known as the 'Ba' and the 'Ka' character and life exist as seperate entities and
as the pineal gland is joulted, my opinion is that the 'Ka' is perhaps some part
released from the human vessel to wonder, resulting with the weird 'self
acknowledgement of person difficiency', i.e semi-zombie state. However, the
process of being raised next battle {self corrective procedure} is to seek
alignment with ones original physical 'standard set up mode' resulting with a
roller coaster ride of emotional turmoil seeking for the persons self to realign
'The Ba and the Ka'. ..."
To read all of the thesis
- also covering modern and ancient anthropology - please request it here:
Norman Copeland, author, -
normancopeland@hotmail.com
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Jens Jorgensen, former Headmaster,
zoominfo.com, 22 September 2006 - reference: |
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Jens Jorgensen, Historian, M.A., was
External Examiner of History at the three Universities of Copenhagen, Aarhus,
and Odense, and former Headmaster of Slagelse College/High School; for several
years he was also a Member of Danish Parliament, the Conservative Party's
Spokesman on Educational subjects.
Earlier Headquarters
Addresses: Websites: www.ku.dk & www.au.dk
Web References:
www.moses-egypt.net,
1.
Assassinating Moses, Vol. 1: Review by Jens Jorgensen,
www.moses-egypt.net/book1/moses1-reviews_en.asp -
review published on: 11/20/1999 - Frederiksbog Amts Avis, daily (20.Nov.1999,
p.8)
2. www.moses-egypt.net
www.moses-egypt.net/book4/moses4-inform_en.asp -
review published on: 13/1/2005 - Sjaellands Tidende (daily)
3. www.moses-egypt.net
www.moses-egypt.net/book2/moses2-inform_en.asp
review published on: 4/8/2001 - Frederiksborg Amts Avis, daily
4. www.moses-egypt.net
www.moses-egypt.net/book3/moses3-inform_en.asp
review published on: 22/3/2002 - Sjaellands Tidende, daily
5. www.moses-egypt.net
www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/moses_info+faq_en.asp
introduction published on: 7/9/2001 - Assassinating Moses, Vol. 3
6.
http://flix.dk/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3553
review published on: 3/5/2006 - Netavisen Flix.dk
zoominfo.com, -
http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=602565152
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Jamerah.com - February 2008 -
recommendation: |
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| Empowerment through Information |
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Welcome to Jamerah. Empowerment through Information. Mark Taylor Harbin has a
Bachelor of Arts in International Relations & Spanish and has a Masters degree
in Contracts Management. He is an educated Occupational Health, Safety & Quality
Advisor & Auditor since 1987.
Jamerah recommandation - Alternative Links:
www.moses-egypt.net :
Ove von Spaeth's Zenith
files - article database
Mark Taylor Harbin: Jamerah, Empowerment through
Information, -
http://www.jamerah.com/index.php
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Bonnier's World History, (Stockholm, Sweden),
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According to the Bible a daughter of a pharaoh found Moses among the reeds
and took care of him. However... Moses was not of Jewish descent. In reality he
was a biological son of the later so famous Egyptian Queen Hatshepsut (ca. 1500
BC) and was hereby heir to the Egyptian throne - as
being claimed by a controversial historian.
Danish
historian
Ove von Spaeth presents the
controversial theory that Hatshepsut is identical to the pharaoh's daughter who in
the Bible's account finds the infant Moses in a basket on the River Nile.
According to the historian in question Moses was of non-Jewish ancestry - he was
Hatshepsut's biological son and thus a successor to the throne of all Egypt.
The biblical text
concerning Moses found on the River Nile presents in actual fact an Egyptian
description about a typical ceremony for new-born royal children. The Bible's
account about a Jewish child to be taken care of by the Egyptian pharaonic family was,
according to von Spaeth,
a later reconstruction in which the later Jews had omitted (in the Bible, but
not in the Rabbinical Writings) important details about Moses' Egyptian
background only to make him fit in with a Jewish context.
That Moses never became
pharaoh was due to Hatshepsut's successor, Thutmosis III, who was behind a plot
making Moses expelled from Egypt - this was published in antiquity already by
Church historian Eusebius (275-339 AD). When Thutmosis III after the dead of
Hatsheput destroyed most of the memories of her, he also succeeded to rub out
Moses of the history of Egypt.
Bonnier's World History, no. 2 (week 2), 7th January 2008,
p. 61, - Editor-in-chief: Sebastian Relster. Publishers: Bonnier
Publications International AB, Stockholm, Sweden, -
http://www.varldenshistoria.se/polopoly.jsp?d=421 - & -
http://www.bonnierpublications.se - (7.Jan.2008)
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hotspotz.com, 10 November 2006 -
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This article comes from Paranormal Phenomenon Hot Spots
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fastest growing reference bases on the net on the subjects of the paranormal.
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Forbidden knowledge of the Knights Templar. - On the legendary Knights
Templar, by: Ove von Spaeth - copyright © 2000 & © 2004 - author, historian, independent researcher -
www.moses-egypt.net .
The text includes a number of extracts from
"Den Hemmelige Religion" (The
Secret Religion)
- by Ove von Spaeth - which is volume No 4 in his series "Assassinating Moses".
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Contribution, 29 November, 2004 -
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Frequently we are under pressure by hysterical and sometimes even mendacious
"public" science armed with a threatening authority suppressing all openness and
all attempts to look at the world in a new light and approach it from new
angles. Independent researchers trying to unveil historical secrets not yet
disclosed have had to put up with coarse criticism from the established science
- so very unfair and absurd, as I see it.
Mr. Ove von Spaeth, the
Danish Writer, is a well known contemporary independent researcher. His long
standing effort has focussed on Egypt and the Middle East with a few detours to
India and Europe. First and foremost he is known for his impressive, innovative,
and very excitingly written work of five books about the historical Moses, a
treatise which in this country has aroused both the greatest recognition as well
as the greatest debate in many years in this field ...
In his intense and
comprehensive studies of star knowledge in Ancient Egypt, Mr. Ove von Spaeth has
succeeded in wringing out so far unknown information of the oldest star map of
the world; likewise he has been able to ascertain exactly the so far uncertain
perception of the determination of time of the most important era of the
Egyptian list of kings.
This presented better
connection of the old knowledge makes it easier for us to understand the ways of thinking
by the ancients and the conundrums of history. And last but not least: in addition
to his meticulous research and his ability to understand events and religious
life of ancient times, Mr. Ove von Spaeth is a marvellous narrator. He makes us
turn things upside down once again. And we really need that!
Bjorn Andersen, BA in literature and linguistic science,
Journalist DJF, former Programme Editor at the Danish National Television
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Presented to the moses-egypt.net, 6 December
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Mr. Ove von Spaeth's
background is not the current, scientific education, but rather an
interdisciplinary knowledge and a huge long-life-collected material of sources.
Indeed, his books about Moses are not appreciated in certain circles at the
Parnassus. However, a more fair consideration of controversial points of criticism
should be initiated - for instance instead of this cheap and scornful
non-scientifical rejection
that much to my personal amazement I as a listener witnessed in a lecture hall
at the University of Copenhagen on 23rd November, 2003, at a meeting with the
Danish Egyptology Society.
No doubt it would have
been more becoming for the lecturer as well as the organizer if they had tried
strictly scientifically to point out and document the points of Mr.
Ove von Spaeth's alleged erroneous interpretation of available sources. This,
however, did not happen, despite the fact that the involved university
professionals had themselves chosen Moses as the evening's subject and even
advertised that they intended to use Mr. Ove von Spaeth's books as their basis
point; which was not done eventually!
Still, I find that the
established science of Egyptologian line - also in Denmark - should not restrain
from seriously and publicly debating Mr. Ove von Spaeth's widely published work
about interpretation and dating of the world's oldest star map - pictured at the
ceiling of the Senmut tomb in Luxor - and also which consequences this work
might have for Egyptian chronology. - I also find it exciting and
thought-provoking when Mr. Ove von Spaeth proves in details that many historical
sequences in fact can be merged with exact astronomical time data of the past in
the tradition's information about celestial events - for instance solar eclipses
- with a more subtle perception of history as a consequence.
Everything considered,
the thoughts and ideas of this writer and researcher deserve broader dissemination, because so
much are definitely suitable for further debate and information, and are able to
present some of history's recognised truths in unusual, new, unconventional
cohesions leading to engagement and inspiration and further concentration on the
subjects.
In particular through Mr.
Ove von Spaeth's humongous work with the book-series on Moses that I know him as
an enthusiastic, engaged, and very serious person, who does not claim to know
the truth, but only suggests other and untraditional angles of
interpretation.
Ole Henningsen, Co-Editor, SUFOI Journal -
oleh@post1.tele.dk - (6.Dec.2004)
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Surprising hostility - involuntarily giving the new-orientating books about
Moses an advantageous attention
Our common history of the past is vital to culture. In large parts
of the Western world the historians' work is highly appreciated - also the
work made by researchers not attached to the university world or other major
institutions. The very importance of the subject decides that this research
field cannot be left only to experts of certain directions. Do institutions
have "more right to history"? Such case has a principle character, for
instance concerning the reactions to the new-orientating research on the
historical Moses.
A case is presented here because it has a principle character: the following
episode includes actors from the University of Copenhagen and is only being
one example among many concerning the reactions to a new-orientating
research on the historical Moses.
A peculiar experience when Head of Faculty and former Pro-Rector at the
University of Copenhagen, Professor and Dr. John Strange, in his speach at this
place (23.Nov.2003) had completely misquoted from my books about Moses. He did
this with creative selectivity by leaving out the book's carefully documented,
essential information about an astronomical datable event, thus leaving
everybody with an erroneous impression that the book is not trustworthy. It was
not a slip because he intentionally tried to make people react to whar he
told them. The whole episode is testified by several witness and a direct tape
recording.
The exact sciences and the humanities'
researchings are based on a refined scholastic tradition with a highly developed
argumentation culture - all in contrast to such a speech definitely without any
scientifical seriousness, in fact it is a falsification when omitting to relate to the
presented necessary data of relevance. Also, in his speach
Dr. John Strange denied the very existence of some important parts of the books'
presented material concerning Moses in ancient Egypt - he did this completely
without knowning that these material (about mummyfication) was scientifically
accepted and internationally (e.g. in France, USA, and Egypt) researched
thoroughly for more than 15 years. Then, with a contemptuous attitude he threw
the book across the rostrum. Maybe he also had no knowledge of the fact - in
contrast to his failed attempts - that objections to results of research should
be serious and relevant, this condition is one of the absolutely necessary
basics at all because analytic criticism is a golden incentive to
progress.
The material
presented in my books about the historical Moses indicates strongly an early
dating of the Exodus from Egypt. Some academics try to dismiss it by referring to the factually wrong reasoning that "consensus claims a late dating". A true scientific conduct? Obviously, scientific findings and facts can never be established by consensus and majority votes. For centuries it
was consensus that "the age of the universe is only 6,000 years".
When consensus
appear in science it calls for utmost alertness. One consensus "decides"
that Exodus when Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt, took place at a late
time. Another concensus "decides" that Moses is a myth, i.e. unreal! In this
way a complete discrepancy is presented by which one result cannot exist, if
the other one exists. Most peculiar when many academic researchers and here
indeed Dr. Strange do not see the slightest problem in using both of these
contradicting results simultaneously. In fact something of a schizophrenic
achievement. By the efforts to maintain an outdated theory a clearing up
seems not to be the goal.
What can we learn, and what can be done in a better way?
If a special researcher's results are considered as inconvenient by followers of
another observans it is not only an irrational but also a totalitarian conduct
to explain away in public that the research done by this scientist is mistaken.
In contrast, the initial position of my own research is always being determined
by the fact that I have to act in relation to the exact reality of data, finds,
and historic descriptions - and not to some ideological trends of research
'politics'.
However, it is not atypical that some researchers in a state of being
unsupported by facts and detached from reality, claim that Moses and the exodus
are non-existing. How does somebody know about what does not exist? That is
exactly what they don't know. All they do know is what science may not yet have
observed.
As for genuine
historicity as the basis of the oldest biblical narratives: research and
science itself creates blind spots in the visual range when uncritically "by
consensus" having accepted previous research's originally provisional
working models as a kind of "truth". This disturbs both the focus on many
diverging lines and on new angles of a subject in question.
Unfortunately. some researchers are still ignoring archaeological finds and
other new included discoveries concerning the historical Moses. This happen
often when these finds seem to present very inconvenient interpretation
problems, which disclose by their very existence when a traditional
perception is probably wrong. Nothing is more provoking than reality.
Round here, these peoples' "point of no return" state arises, and from now
on counter-arguments terminating of having any importance. Not the tinyest
concession must take place - therefore the persons in a the thus fixed
position, unfortunately, are led to shut off also any possible future
concession.
Offering the discovered material
As also mentioned in the prefaces that my books' investigations,
materials, explorations, finds, and analyses all constitute an offer which
by preference can be accepted or rejected. These books are without polemic
confrontation or provocative manifesto, and I am not a missionary. Some
affected academic schools clearly have a problem with the books'
unconventional approach to the material - but why not avoid the books then
and consider them as indifferent instead of trying in vain to suppress them
in public and thus obviously revealing the books are of importance.
Trying to suppress by "silence" against new ideas and yet do it very loudly
by lectures and writings is such a clumsy way to refrain from observing
presented facts in my book-series. Although without literal comparison, this
resembles when other "experts" - likewise just among the learned theological
representatives - declined a decisive scientific discovery by refusing to
take a look at it through Galilei's telescope.
(Paragraphs selected from
the author's original article in Danish)
Ove von Spaeth, writer, in feature article "Galilei's
Telescope", copyright © 2003 & 2004, - Swedano Journal, Aug.2004 (3rd
yr, No.8, pp.31-34) - (org. 8.Dec.2003)
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On the Ove von Spaeth five-volume series, 30
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Concerning the Ove von Spaeth five-volume series. - Are there any English
publishers for the purchase of the author's work?
Ove von Spaeth is truly an
outstanding testament to light and truth, I must possess these books to learn
what has been or is suppressed knowledge. Is it expected that his work will ever
be published in English - for public purchasing?
I know the opposition
that exist to ban the subject is tremendous coming from orthodox powers that
disagree with truth.
Sincerely, a seeker of
knowledge and wisdom,
Irvin Best, -
vesti@bellsouth.net - (30.Sep.2006)
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DISCUSSIONGROUPS & NEWSGROUPS - ON THE MOSES-SERIES |
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Newsgroups, on Literature hints /book
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Mingler | Groups | The life's origin - Limited group - 48 members | Forum |
News - Literature hints /reviews
the good life,
founder: 14.05.2006 - 18:18 - Via this thread I will currently inform about
hints on reading material concerning the origin of life, inspired by topics
debated via these threads and my inspirations during the years. You are all
welcome to supply with hints and reviews.
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Really, I want to draw your attention to a very interesting work, "The
Assassination of Moses", Vols. 1-5, by Ove von Spaeth, Danish Autodidact
Researcher. He is a VERY well-informed person - I say this only about very few
persons!!!
This work would probably
have "shaken" the world if it had been published in English - the way
Schonfield's "The Passover Plot" did in the 1970ties (our Denmark avoided the
shock (in the Kierkegaard way) - probably because it was written in a "foreign"
lingo).
dantalion, - Contribution: 1040, -
Publication/documentaries (hints) - 16th May, 2006 18:56 -
www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?group=livetsoprindelse
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dantalion: Moses 1-5 by Danish Autodidact Researcher, Ove von Spaeth. Google
search: "Moses - von Spaeth".
He is well known in
Germany - can you tell more also about the contents ? - in short! Yes, or
broader in another thread.
dao, - Contribution 1183, - Publications/documentaries
(hints) - 29th July, 2006 20:12 -
www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?group=livetsoprindelse
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Hello pax - I believe that this contribution belongs in the literature references
?? Can you pass it on, there?
the good life, - Contribution: 2482 -
Publications/documentaries (hints) - 30th July, 2006 18:33 -
www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?group=livetsoprindelse
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Mingler.dk, discussion & news groups,
subject: The Ove von Spaeth book-series Assassinating Moses,
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Mingler | Groups | The life's origin - Limited group - 48 members | Forum |
Tread subject: Assassinating Moses (the Ove von Spaeth
book-series)
Forum of philosophically and
existentially searching individuals with an open mind. What is the origin of
life and human beings? How did life on earth and in the universe begin? What
is the beginning of human beings? We should be focusing on the most recent findings and results
of archaeology, science, cultural/historical research, religion research,
andshould also dust off old interesting theories/myths.
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At another line PAX asks for information about the series of books, "Assassinating
Moses, volumes 1-5". I have read them all, and they are good.
Today many contemporary
researchers prefer to see Moses as a mythological figure invented for the
occasion. In short, von Spaeth tries to find the historical Moses.
The books are one long
description of the circumstances at the time of Moses, as well as a kind of
demonstration of his statements. - Some conclusions:
- Moses was in fact an Egyptian prince - and consequently heir to the throne
- Moses was in fact also Senmut and should have become Pharaoh Tuthmosis
- Moses was NOT the son of a Hebrew woman, and was NOT adopted by the daughter
of Pharaoh
- Moses had no plans about introducing a monotheistic religion in Egypt
- Moses was exiled from powers by Egyptian "priests"
- Moses tried unsuccessfully to gather Egypt's "emigrants" (the Hebrews") for a
revolt
- Moses and the Hebrews were exiled from Egypt to Sinai, where Moses then
introduced the idea about one god
- he never gave up his wish for a return to Egypt and a take-over of the throne
Thus the statement presents another picture than the Jewish writings and the
"Old Testament". Moses was founder of a religion, but he had no ideas about
taking the Hebrews to "the promised land", i.e. Israel.
I can highly recommend
all the books...
nosmokey, - Concerning: Assassinating Moses, - Mss:
536 - 30.07.2006 - 11:03 -
www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?
group=livetsoprindels&thread=47217&perpage=20 - (30.Jul.2006)
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Hmmm ... sound wild, nosmokey. Are the books trustworthy? Well, I mean - are these statements based on thoughts and ideas, or are they based on genuine
biblical and historical research?
the good life, Founder, - Concerning: Assassinating Moses, -
Mss: 2482 - 30.07.2006 - 18:31 -
www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?
group_livetsoprindels&thread=47217&perpage=20 - (30.Jul.2006)
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The books are trustworthy, and the statements are substantiated by many years of
research of Jewish and Egyptian sources.
It should be kept in
mind, however, that we are dealing with an amateur researcher who has not been
widely recognised by the rest of the world, as far as I know.
But it is always
exhilarating to have a new angle at some deep-rooted imaginations about history.
nosmokey, - Concerning: Assassinating Moses, - Mss: 536, -
30.07.2006 - 22:56 -
www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?group=livetsoprindels
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Exciting ideas .....
flyingdutchman, - Concerning: Assassinating Moses, - Mss:
1776, - 31.07.2006 - 01:03 -
www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?group=livetsoprindels
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Yes, it sounds exciting, nosmokey.
Had actually considered
giving up my health and life style career plans to study religion science,
archaeology, and history, etc. But I haven't the strength to grind away at
Greek, Latin Hebrew, etc.
It is good that somebody
takes on the labour on behalf of us with the hobby interest, so that we can keep
up ;-)
the good life, - Concerning: Assassinating Moses, - Mss:
2482, - 31.07.2006 - 01:29 - 01:03 -
www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?group=livetsoprindels
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Have any of you read the books?
To me they provided a lot
of "down to earth" information and plausible explanations on how the Jewish and
the Christian religion may have appeared. In any case, they give a lot of
insight of ancient Egyptian culture and also of old rituals on Virgin Birth and
royal children in rush vessels.
nosmokey, - Concerning: Assassinating Moses, - Mss: 536 -
17.08.2006 - 23:52 -
www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?group=livetsoprindels
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Where can I get hold of the books, nosmokey? Library
probably? But can they also be bought somewhere or are they old and in shortage
with the publishers?
the good life, - Concerning: Assassinating Moses, - Mss:
2482 - 18.08.2006 - 11:01 -
www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?group=livetsoprindels
&thread=47217&perpage=20
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You can read all this about the books at this ... LINK (http://www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/moses-survey_en.asp).
They can be bought at
C.A. Reitzel Booksellar and Publisher in Copenhagen (http://www.careitzel.dk)
nosmokey, - Concerning: Assassinating Moses, - Mss: 536 -
18.08.2006 - 11:28 -
www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?group=livetsoprindels
&thread=47217&perpage=20
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An extract that I found was one of the exciting conclusions:
"The
dramatic and moving event where a three month old baby in a rush pleated vessel
is found by the king's daughter and accepted in the palace, is known approx.
1,000 years prior to the story about Moses. The boy's name is Sargon (2300 BC),
and this happens on River Euphrates.
Later we meet similar
stories in Greek mythology with Dionysus and Attis and in that of the Romans
with Romulus. You may also remember the story of our own King Skjold (King
Shield or King Sheaf). This is probably a very ancient royal ritual.
The oldest known royal
child ritual is that of Sargon, and that of Moses is the most well known."
So maybe Moses was
not at all a Hebrew (Israelite) but an Egyptian prince participating in a well
known cultic ceremony. Many believe that not only is he a prince, but possibly a
crown prince.
nosmokey, - Concerning: Assassinating Moses, - Mss: 536 -
18.08.2006 - 11:55 -
www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?group=livetsoprindels
&thread=47217&perpage=20
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Yes! I have read them when they were published. Was acquainted with von Spaeth
more than 20 years ago!!! - when he had some interesting ideas about
astrological aspects in 1600 literature (e.g. Macbeth).
The "new" about von
Spaeth is that he uses contemporary star maps for dating. The other theories
have been known for some time - only not in Danish!
Whether his theories are
"acknowledged" in the "world of academic persons" is unknown. But as far as I
remember there was a minor controversy with an employee at Religion History
studies.
Under all circumstances,
encouraging reading.
dantalion, - Concerning: Assassinating Moses, - Mss: 1040 -
11.09.2006 - 09:27 -
www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?group=livetsoprindels
&thread=47217&perpage=20
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The Huffington Post, discussion & news
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Filmmaker James Cameron Finds Scientific Evidence Of Biblical "Red Sea Parting"...
Times Of London | Tony Allen-Mills | Posted August 5, 2006 09:00 PM
THE HUFFINGTON POST -
Delivering News and Opinion Since May 9, 2005.
A Hollywood twist: James Cameron, the director of Titanic,
is the executive producer of a new documentary that claims to have uncovered
fresh evidence confirming one of the most dramatic episodes in the Old
Testament -- the parting of the Red Sea and the Jewish exodus from Egypt.
In The Exodus Decoded, a
90-minute documentary, Cameron and
Simcha Jacobovici, the Canadian film producer, claim a volcanic eruption on
the Greek archipelago of Santorini triggered a chain of natural catastrophes
recorded in the Bible as the 10 plagues upon Egypt. - Comments for this post are now closed.
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Enough already with folks trying to prove their mythology through science!!!
Grow up people, the "Hebrew scriptures" are myths and fairytales, like those
surrounding Romulus and Remus, Zeus, Santa Claus, and the tooth fairy. At some
point, we grow up and we realize our parents were lying to us... anyone who
still believes the Hebrew scriptures are anything more than a bedtime story is
an overgrown child. Let's stop taking all this "religious" nonsense seriously so
we can stop killing each other over it.
used2bapatriot, - on August 05, 2006 at 11:58pm -
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/08/05/filmmaker-james-cameron-f_n_26613.html?p=2#comments
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I think James Cameron should first find evidence supporting biblical claims
that the Israelites were ever slaves of the Egyptians or that Moses was a true
historical figure, so far there is none for either.
hardluck, - on August 05, 2006 at 10:37pm -
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/08/05/filmmaker-james-cameron-f_n_26613.html?p=2#comments
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Common misconception. Here's a link to one scientist who's researching evidence
of Moses:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/default.asp ...
Mort, - on August 06, 2006 at 03:09am -
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/08/06/filmmaker-james-cameron-f_n_26613.html?p=2#comments
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Scientist? Ooops. Did you mean the famous gynecologist who treats STD's with
'hands' on healing?
ExRepublican, - on August 06, 2006 at 03:33am -
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/08/06/filmmaker-james-cameron-f_n_26613.html?p=3#comments
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Wow. Great choice of headline articles, HuffPo editors. How relevant and
interesting.
WhiskerBiscuit, - on August 06, 2006 at 03:20am -http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/08/06/filmmaker-james-cameron-f_n_26613.html?p=3#comments
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Wiki-Board.en, archived debates, 15 November
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(...the Ove von Spaeth stuff about Moses and on the stars) I smell tin foil
hattery - "Independent scientist"... he seems to have published that paper about
the dating of that star map, but the journal appears to be relatively obscure, -
clearly an
advertisement for one guy's fringe theory.
Lupo, (Sc.D., Engineer in Computer Science), - archived
debate on proposals - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lupo - 15
November 2005 13:05 (UTC) - (15.Nov.2005)
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Vanity. However, there may be a List of Crackpot Egyptologists or similar
that we can merge it to.
The Land, (Economist),
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Land - archived debate on
proposals - 15 November 2005 15:00 (UTC) - (15.Nov.2005)
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I can't believe you came up with a list that has not yet been created!
Guy, (Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] - Guy Chapman),
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk (W) AfD? - archived debate on
proposals - 15 November 2005 21:47 (UTC) - (15.Nov.2005)
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NOTE (pres. webmaster) : concerning
actual Wiki initial problems of relevance, the Wiki instruction page asks to
bear with their busy staff's sometimes blunt comments. Cf. also extern comments by independent
press notices by BBC and AFP : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5286458.stm
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DEBATE AND NEWS ON OVE VON SPAETH'S DATING THE OLDEST EGYPTIAN STAR MAP |
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The World-axis in the sky is mentioned in the
Moses-series'
volume 1 and
volume 2 of the Moses-series and in specil Zenith-files article in the
Zenith-portal. So this I think people would find interesting and exiting
- that in connection with teaching and study about Egypt there can be taken
up information about Moses and further a trip around both the geography and
the World-tree (the Worls-axis in the sky) ... because there appeared a big
conjunction of planets near the star Sirius, all of which was - amazingly to
moderne researchers - described very precisely, very early in world history.
Appearently, there are
three special stars at the World-axis and it is to be seen vertically in as
a straight line on which the star most high in the sky is the North Star in
every 12,000 year. It is the star Vega in the Lyra constellation, and as
North Star at a time it is orientated horizontally in a straight line with
our axis of the Earth. Very interesting... hu!
A.S. Norring Olm, cburkal-message, -
annesofienorring@hotmail.com - (16.Aug.2006)
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News- & Discussiongroups, the question about
the Pleiades and the Senmut Star-map, ancient-history, 1 December 2006 -
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Re: [ellenlloyd] re ;Star-Chart ;//EGYPTIAN STUFF
Meet great people and
participate in interesting discussions! - Access to the group is by
application. - Ellen Lloyd, Author of - Voices from
Legendary Times. - Related Link:
www.ufoarea.com/main_lloyd.html - & - Post
message:
ellenlloyd@yahoogroups.com - & - List
owner: ellenlloyd-owner@yahoogroups.com
Hy Ellen et al; -
That (Egg-Evaporating Disc) in that Egyptian Star-chart is the Pleiades
Constellation according to that Senmut Star-map I forwarded to the group …which
is beyond the Orion Constellation …am right in the middle of a interesting
section covering most if not all those early Star-charts of Egypt …could this
have been where those (Atlantian's ) species originally came from …I wonder
…(Try URL) - IT WILL PULL UP CHOSEN (chosenbloodseed@...>) !!!!!!!!
I also put forward a idea on that (ASCII) episode I had those many years ago…
How close to the truth was it J - (The Pleiades Constellation according to the Senmut Star-map:)
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut4-history_en.asp
mobydoc <patcobb@...> - [ellenlloyd]
Pleiades, Message #25304 of 25363 - Fri
Dec 1, 2006 12:28 am -
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25304 -
& - Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/ -
(1.Dec.2006)
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Hy Ellen ...Tony …Mike; -
I am sorry to be such a crashing bore … but that's the type of being ...I am:
The Constellation Plaiades or (Humids) to the Ancient Egyptians … now puts that
Senmut (Star-map-chart) into the right perspective…IMHO __, ._,_
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2-faq_en.asp _
The seven pointed Star refers to the Plaiades group which the A/Es five star …
called "The Humids" …as if there were a different language of (none human)
audio... if any !...like the earliest A/E glyphs of that era which have yet to
be found I believe ( the sacred script ) Gardiner, A.[Egyptian Grammar] shows
this … How this ties in with Dr
Doug Johnstones Evaporating Disk and the Senmut /‘Humids' Star-chart is yet to
be fathomed …or is the [evaporating disc] a 'mirror' image …of what it might
have been (The Humids]… was it closer to our system "once" ? Could it have been
a ‘link' or ‘transponder' that allowed a [star-gate] type of system to exist
…could the Earths (Bass) link been the G/P …more guesses maybe ….but then isn't
most early Ancient History ...
Regards Moby
DON'T KNOW IF I SENT THIS ONE IF I DID MY APOLOGIZES CHOSEN!!!!!!!
mobydoc, - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25411 of 25450 -
Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:06 pm -
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25411 -
& - Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/ -
(1.Dec.2006)
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It's unavailable.
paulanoone, - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25414
of 25450 - Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:11 pm -
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25414 - & -
Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/ -
(1.Dec.2006)
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I was able to access it. - I use Firefox when
something come up unavailable I found that explorer will open it or visa
versa.
JLM <wicasa@...>
jlmbx340, - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25420 of 25450 - Fri Dec 1,
2006 8:20 pm -
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25420 -
& - Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/ -
(1.Dec.2006)
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Pleiades , stargates and vortexs are something that are really interesting me
now,
thank you so much, -
Sandy
sandyscorp3, - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25417 of
25450 - Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:15 pm -
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25417 -
& - Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/ -
(1.Dec.2006)
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That's the Milky Way picture in Photos - a vortex
paulanoone, - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25446 of
25451 - Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:34 pm -
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25446 - & -
Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/ -
(1.Dec.2006)
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Re: vortexes -
http://www.angelfire.com/indie/anna_jones1/vortexes.html A vortex is a mass of energy that moves in a rotary or whirling
motion, causing a depression or vacuum at the center... These
powerful eddies of pure Earth power manifest as spiral-like coagulations of energy that are either electric, magnetic, or
electromagnetic qualities of life force."
sandyscorp3, - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25425 of
25451 - Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:34 pm -
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25425 -
& - Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/ -
(1.Dec.2006)
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Hi to all again, - I am happy to be here, and what a synchronicity, this link in
question is to a site established by my best friend Ove von Spaeth, who had
analysed this star map ...he has written 5 wonderful books, unfortunately, in
Danish only. It is a masterpiece, all the things he has done and many things he
has been writing about. It is the first thing I
read here in this group, and so funny the world is very little, think of how
many people there are around the world, and HERE in Ellen's group, I find my
friend Ove's website have its link being accentuated - I can't believe it, LOL,
well he and I have had and have many wonderful sharings together concerning the
cosmology, anyway his articles - a number of them - have been translated in
English.
Cosmaya, - (Ulla Runchel), - PLUMEHOME@telefonica.net, -
Subject: Re: [ellenlloyd] Pleiades - Sent: Sunday, 3 December 2006
12:28 a.m. - To:
ellenlloyd@yahoogroups.com - (3.Dec.2006)
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Hy Cosmaya … It is a Master-work …in my eyes anyway
…and
would rate alongside
the works of Flinders Petrie (founder of scientific Egyptian
archaeology) ...believe me
- the archaeological world need more
Ove von Spaeth-s. - Best of regards
Pat/Moby, - mobydoc <patcobb@ihug.co.nz>
, Subject: Re: [ellenlloyd] Pleiades - Sent: Sunday, 3 December 2006
12:28 a.m. - To:
ellenlloyd@yahoogroups.com - (3.Dec.2006)
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Hi all, - "moby" recommends - in his message of December 1st - a link
concerning the Pleiades. Unfortunately, another contributor seem to have had
trouble when connecting. The reason for this is that the ending of the
address in question should not be .esp but .asp - in
other words:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2-faq_en.asp
However, the Pleiades are
not mentioned here, but appear on the next page which has this address:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut4-history_en.asp
In addition, it
might be recommended that several unconventional articles written by Ove von
Spaeth are to be found on a main-page named "Zenith files":
http://www.moses-egypt.net/zenith-files_en/zenith-netbase_en.asp
Cosmaya, - (Ulla Runchel), - PLUMEHOME@telefonica.net, -
Subject: Re: [ellenlloyd] Pleiades - Sent: Sunday, 12 December 2006
14:31 p.m. - To:
ellenlloyd@yahoogroups.com - (12.Dec.2006)
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Discussiongroups, Antikitera.net, Il
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Originally posted by Kiya - 06 October 2006 : 02:05:25 . - L'elemento che maggiormente attrae la mia attenzione è senza dubbio la
rappresentazione in un riquadro di tre stelle che potrebbero essere le tre
stelle della cintura di Orione. La particolarità sta nel fatto che di queste, la stella centrale è circondata da tre pseudo ellissi, che realmente parrebbero tre gocce: da un lato terminano con una punta, non sono
arrotondate. Le tre punte in questione sono rivolte verso una quarta stella
che va a completare il quadro.
In tutti i libri che ho letto su questo argomento si dice che le tre stelle
della cintura di Orione sono quelle più grandi al centro, sopra la figura umana.
Questo anche nei libri "di mistero" come "Il mistero di Orione" di Bauval e
Gilbert, "Custode della genesi" e "Lo specchio del cielo" di Hancock e altri.
Le altre tre stelle, con
la centrale circondata dalle forme ovali, potrebbero invece essere il gruppo
(sempre all'interno della costellazione di Orione) che contiene la nebulosa M42.
La stella alonata sarebbe proprio la nebulosa, che si può vedere anche ad occhio
nudo come una stella "sfocata". Nell'antichità la nebulosa si doveva vedere
molto meglio di oggi, mancando l'inquinamento luminoso dovuto alle luci delle
città. La nebulosa M42 è quella stella più rossa sotto la cintura di Orione.
Secondo uno studio
pubblicato da Ove von Spaeth
nel 2000, la posizione dei pianeti e delle stelle raffigurati in quella tomba
permetterebbe di datarla in modo preciso. Si tratterebbe del mese di maggio del
1534 avanti Cristo:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut-files_survey_en.asp
&
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut1-mapdate_en.asp
&
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2-faq_en.asp
Qui, nella sezione "downloading" si può scaricare il file PDF con tutto
l'articolo illustrato:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut3-treatise_en.asp
In questo articolo si parla anche di quali stelle e pianeti sono raffigurati nel
soffitto e in quale posizione, ad esempio a partire da sinistra si vede Venere
(l'uccello Benu), poi Mercurio indicato dal solo nome senza figure, poi Saturno
e Giove sulle prime due barche. L'astro più importante è Sirio, raffigurato come
Iside. L'ultima figura umana in piedi sulla barca sarebbe Orione, sormontato
dalle tre stelle della cintura. Marte sarebbe la barca vuota a destra:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut1-mapdate_en.asp
Quel soffitto secondo l'ipotesi di Ove von Spaeth rappresenta una congiunzione
nella stessa "zona" di cielo di questi astri, avvenuta nell'aprile-maggio del
1534 a.C.
Trystero, Antikitera.net - Il Portale Italiano
dell'Archeologia Misteriosa -
Posted - 22 October 2006 : 22:41:43 -
http://www.antikitera.net/forum2/post.asp
?method=ReplyQuote&REPLY_ID=6543&TOPIC_ID=501&FORUM_ID=6
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The Celestial Sphinx, website, March 2008
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Have you ever wondered who mapped the constellations, when and why? Come with
me to the Celestial Hall of Records and discover the 16,000 year old Celestial
Sphinx, Hu, who was the blueprint for the Sphinx at Giza. Gaze upon the face of the
Creator, the "Giver of Life in the Beginning". Learn the Lost Word. Discover the
greatest of the Lost Secrets of the remote Ancient Egyptians, including their
knowledge of Precession which they encoded into their mythology, art, and the
Narmer Plate.
he remote Ancient Egyptians mapped the constellations, discovered
Precession and invented hieroglyphs. It was they who introduced the arts and
sciences to the rest of the world.
Astronomers agree that
the Constellation of Orion is keeping the Constellation of Taurus the Bull at bay with his bow and arrows. The two long spikes above Orion's Bow are the horns
of Taurus. In Ancient Egypt Orion was known as The Soul of Osiris.
Traditionally Osiris is
considered to be the Lord of the Two Lands; Lord of the Heavens and Lord of the
Earth. He was also considered to be Lord of the Dead and in this capacity was
always represented in mummy wrappings and wearing the White Crown of Egypt. However when Orion is
examined more closely in his connection with Ancient Egypt the scene takes on a
new significance.
The White Crown is as synonymous with Ancient Egypt as is the
River Nile, the Sphinx and the Pyramids ... and the Red Crown of Ancient Egypt
enjoyed the same renown.
Egyptologists associate the White Crown with Upper
Egypt and the Red Crown with Lower Egypt due to a misinterpretation of the
Narmer Plate. They also incorrectly associate the Double Crown with the
Unification of Upper and Lower Egypt around 3200 BCE.
No other civilizations
had Red Crowns, White Crowns, Osiris beards and a Sphinx!
Remember also that in the Osiris Legend, Thoth is credited with having
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