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¤ Message, 4 October 2006  -  statements:
Bringing knowledge and insight

Concerning:  Moses & New Research / Mysteriet om Moses Revurderet.
Message:  Many thanks, Ove von Spaeth, you have given us knowledge and insight and opened our eyes concerning the world religions. You have got some small, however, exclusive fan club in Moss, Norway!

Mai-Liis Gilde, Norway - maigil@online.no  -  (4.Oct.2006)

       
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¤ Factbites.com, permanent text of 24 November 2006  -  data mining :
Moses in the von Spaeth analysis - and Hatshepsut

Factbites.com - http://www.factbites.com/topics/1487-BC. -Topic: 1487BC on Moses 
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Assassinating Moses, Vol. 1: Reviews
-        Moses was not a Hebrew, he was Egyptian, probably his name was Tuth-mosis, and he was the genuine child of Hatshepsut, the daughter of the former pharaoh, and he was the heir to the throne in the vast Egyptian kingdom.
-        Lepsius claimed that Moses was contemporary with Pharaoh Ramses II around 1500 B.C. However, when it was later discovered that Ramses II was probably living in 1200, the dating of Moses was also removed to 1200, because in the meantime the anticipation of the time of the two persons being the same had become evident.
-        1509-1487 B.C. This person, "the daughter of Pharaoh" is in the von Spaeth analysis being the mother of Moses and, thus, not his adoptive mother, as the Old Testament is suggesting.
www.moses-egypt.net/book1/moses1-reviews_en.asp   (5094 words)

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¤ Letter, 10 March 2006  -  Reader's Comment and Question :
A more precise dating of Moses

When we are hearing so much about different centuries in which Moses is said to have lived, we sometimes also hear even about that he has not existed. By this we can figure out that most of these rumers are not correct, and that is why some will assertain that Moses is a myth - which also should be wrong according to the many existing statements from ancient history. So, how is the present situation, and maybe some new results may concern the decisive question? Thanks for your work,

          ALM, arch., Copenhagen, - a reader with a great interest in history  -  (10.Mar.2006)

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::   OvS's reply.   - The necessary information is now available - it concerns at least three independent, astronomically verifiable checkpoints of the time of Moses - i.e. the birth of Moses, the Exodus from Egypt, and the invasion of Canaan:

          1.  According to Rabbi Abrabanel's information (published in 1497) based on very old Jewish traditions about the birth of Moses, this took place three years after the great conjunction of planets in the celestial sector later known as Pisces. Computations show this great event was the only great conjunction in this sector for many hundreds of years and the biggest one in a millennium - and that it took place in February 1537 BC. This proves the birth of Moses to be in February 1534 BC - cf. genuine documentation in detail:  Ove von Spaeth's book, "The Suppressed Record". Of greatest interest is that this is all being in accordance with the Rabbinical Writings about the birth of Moses in the Jewish month adar (February/March when translated to modern calendar style).

          2.  According to Josephus the Israelite Exodus took place in "Moses' 80th year", i.e. when Moses was 79 years of age. In 1454 BC, the Israelite Exodus from Egypt took place these 79 years after the birth of Moses. The date of this first Easter can be astronomically computed: in the Bible ("Book of Exodus") the first Easter was determined from the first full moon at the 14th day of the first spring month, i.e. the first full moon after vernal equinox; the culmination of this full moon took place even on the very day of equinox in 1454 BC, on the 21st March (translated to modern calendar style).

          3.  The battle of Joshua - at Gibeon where "... the sun stood still ..." ("Book of Joshua", 10:12-13) in 1415 BC - the Israelite year of invasion, 39-40 years after the beginning of the exodus, is anticipated to have taken place simultaneously with a special, celestial phenomenon. In Ove von Spaeth's book, "The Vanished Successor" (vol. 3 of the the series "Assassinating Moses") on "... Rediscovering the Hidden War Leading to Exodus ...", this is carefully investigated and it contains a dicovering of a rare kind of a total lunar eclipse, i.e. the "Cleomedes phenomenon" appearing on 25th June, by sunset, 1415 BC. The archaeological results acheived by the very experienced John Garstang, from his 7 years of digging out the ruins of Jericho - and later his colleague John J. Bimson's scientific examination by chemical analysis of the pottery found at the site - confirm in all respects the dating.

          However, many scholars hesitate to carry out inter-scientifically investigation and taking advantage of comparing and testing results across the bounderies of the many disciplines involved, and do not want to change a hitherto belief in a later dating although it is altogether a non-consistant and non-documented dating also eading to the belief that these biblical events are only myths.

          The great correspondance in our case - between datings from archeological results, chemical analysis, astronomical phaenomena, information given by Josephus, Philo, the Egyptian-Greek historian Manetho, and by rabbi Abrabanel too, and in addition the data in the Rabbinical Writings - are all even more than compelling. Archaeologists and historians should really take an interest in this comprehensive and stricktly logical context which hitherto have not been seen elsewhere.

Ove von Spaeth, writer, researcher - Zenith Project :  the book-series on the historical Moses,  -  (March,2006)

Concerning archaeological and textual documentation: Genuine Egyptian Source Documentation on Moses

¤ On reprinting 'The Suppressed Record', mail 17 Januar 2004  -  comment:
The Hyksos People

Your books on Moses - initiate thinking - made me look for some subjects which made me amazed when I read the books. I could not make notes during my first reading because the books came from our public library, and I did not wrote separate notes because I had planned to read the books again later.
          However, I remember that the Hyksos-people was not included in the word index of the first volume, and I thought it was meant to be like that. But then I discovered that the subject is registred in the second volume. -
          Thanks for your work. Sincerely,

Lena Rotenberg, - Educational Consultant and Deputy Chief Assessor for the
International Baccalaureate Organisation's Theory of Knowledge Course  - lena.rotenberg@get2net.dk  - (17.jan.2004)

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::   OvS's reply.   - The subject in question, the Hyksos-people, was also planned to be included in the first volume. However, in spite of we have been more than careful from our side (you can not imagine how many readings and so much extra checking) - by a misunderstanding (ufortunately, not the only one) at the bookprinting office after the proofreading it was kept out, a slip only discovered later when too late - i.e after the publication.
          However, a chance for restoring came - by the reprinting of the volume 1 the item "Hyksos" is now included - showing there can be read about the Hyksos at two places (pp. 100 and 108).

          Concerning the Hyksos, I discovered many years ago that we have got an extra clue showing something about the "time background" for this Semitic people's occupation of Egypt in approx. 180 years - when they had their own leaders became the pharaohs. During that time the likewise Semitic tibe, the Hebrew family of Jacob (Ya'qub) and his sons immigrated to Egypt and settled there.
          The oldest parts of the Rabbinical Writings have the same age as the oldest parts of the Bible. In a book of selected Rabbinical Writings (S. Baring-Gould: "Legends of Old Testament Characters, from the Talmud and Other Sources", vol. 2, London 1871, p. 35) can be read about Joseph in Egypt on his journey when reaching a certain city:
                    "... the caravan entered Heliopolis, the chief city of Egypt, which was the under the government of Rajjan, the Amalekite ...".

          The narratives handed over, by oral tradition, were only manifested in writing (the Rabbinical Writings) after approx. 1,500 years or more - and that is why the Egyptian city of On is mentioned by its later name, Heliopolis. The important thing is that in this case we are thus being informed by a source of 3,500 years about the Hyksos invaders that (they and) their pharaohs were Amalekites.
          As early as in the time of Abraham - the Amalekites, according to Genesis 14:7, were known living in a region near the biblical Mount Seir, which is identified in the high mountainous range now located in "the Negev Highlands". Archaeology has reveiled that in 18th century BC the Hyksos introduced in Egypt the chariot and improved archery by using laminated bows. The simultaneous precense of this historical documented Hyksos-people in Egypt seems to be the reason for the biblical Joseph, although being a non-Egyptian, could be placed in a most high position in Egypt.
          When the Israelites' exodus lead by Moses took place, a continous fighting started between the two groups - until King David ca. 400 years later had the Amalikites eliminated.         

          When claiming that these parts of the Bible are myths many scholars are not able to document it, and now such an ancient Rabbinical source of exact information is giving them one big problem more.

Ove von Spaeth, writer, researcher - Zenith Project :  the book-series on the historical Moses,  -  (January,2004)

Concerning archaeological and textual documentation: Genuine Egyptian Source Documentation on Moses

       
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¤ mail, 9 December 2003  -  info:
The Byzantine board

Concerning the fact that I made some statemens about you and the News about Moses in a web-forum - I occasionally exercise my 'discussion' muscles on the Byzantine board. A few agree with my but most do not, and that forces me to do more research. So I find that good for me. Quite besides, I am not Greek as you may have supposed, - my name (Kaliss) is Polish (kaliz) but very similar to Greek. My wife's family name is Malis - and that is Greek.
          Thank you for the many English texts already on your website, I will read them with interest, and look forward to the day when all are published in English.  -ray

Ray Kaliss, -  rkaliss1@cox.net  - (9.dec.2003)

¤ Readers' mail, 12 March 2008  -  opinion:
Moses and alchemy 

Concerning Ove von Spaeth's text about "Alchemy by Moses" . I have now read this text a couple of times - with MUCH great interest and profit!
          The text is - as everything else created by that author - a treasure of exiting, boarder-crossing knowledge and new information. In addition, it is entertaining as a very good novel.

Bjorn Andersen, B.A. and Senior Lecturer in Literary criticism and Linguistic science at Copenhagen University, Journalist DJF, former Programme Editor at the Danish National Television - biorn@mail.dk  -  (12.Mar.2008)

¤ Readers' mail, 14 March 2008  -  information:
I, too, suggested Senenmut as being a candidate for Moses

I find Ove von Spaeth's observations very interesting, although I'm not well-versed in astronomy.
          In my own book, "The Exodus Chronicles: Beliefs, Legends & Rumors from Antiquity Regarding the Exodus of the Jews from Egypt", (2003), I, too, suggested Senenmut as being a candidate for Moses. This was based on the theory of "a very important man who disappears and was not buried in either of his tombs".
          But now I am no longer so sure that Senenmut did disappear from Egypt, that he was not buried and that his mummy hasn't been found. All of this I discuss here:
http://www.geocities.com/scribelist/Senenmut.html
          In brief, is it possible to ascertain if a certain mummy is the son of Rahotep and Hat nofret, the parents of Senenmut. Theoretically--yes.

Marianne Luban, writer, - mluban@netzero.net  - send via Authordata-2 - scientific achievements by Ove von Spaeth  -  (14.Mar.2008)
 
Marianne Luban is the author of "The Pharaoh's Barber", Pacific Moon Publications, 2008 - www.amazon.com/Pharaohs-Barber-Marianne-Luban/dp/0972952411 - also, Marianne Luban: "The Exodus Chronicles: Beliefs, Legends & Rumors from Antiquity Regarding the Exodus of the Jews from Egypt", Pacific Moon Publications, 2003 - www.amazon.com/Exodus-Chronicles-Beliefs-Antiquity-Regarding/dp/0972952403

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::   OvS's reply.   Senmut (Senenmut) was a victim to the greatest major eradication of a name in all history of Egypt.
          Earlier, when being the Grand Vizier to the king (who was Queen/Pharaoh Hatshepsut), Senmut soon held more than 20 of the superior offices in Egypt and at least 80 titles.
          To have many titles was not unknown - however, the majority of Senmut’s titles were not to embellish but because his capacity was immense - so besides being the Grand Vizier he was the country's main architect and constructor, Minister of Foreign Affairs, chief of the calendar and astronomical observations, etc. Later - after his mysterious disappearance - his numerous posts close to the king had to be divided into many viziers' offices.
          Senmut disappeared - in the same year as of Moses' flight, 1494 BC - and the new Pharaoh Tuthmosis III took the power from Hatshepsut by a historical coup and gradually destroyed most of Senmut's statues and inscriptions. It reveals the intention that all important memories of Senmut's (Moses') identity were to be deleted. He had been eliminated as the Pharaoh-to-be - he was not to be known by present or by future.

Destruction would not have taken place if Senmut/Moses had not been of royal descent
The impression was to be that he had not existed at all. So, all over Egypt, Senmut’s (Moses’) name was deleted during countrywide damnation memoriae, to a total extent never seen before!
          Senmut’s names and works were subject to a collective, deliberate, comprehensive destruction. It was the most extensive eradiation of names in all history of Egypt! Although headed by Pharaoh himself (Tuthmosis III) and his staff this extensive destruction would obviously not have caught so much attention and effort if Senmut/Moses had not been of royal descent and initiated as heir to the throne.
          Destruction of the Senmut name incriptions and statues meant real eradication. This was an extra way to destroy his existence reaching much further than his earthly life, i.e. the feared "second death", when all memories have vanished.
          In Hatshepsut’s Deir el-Bahari temple Senmut’s name was deleted in 66 of the "hidden" wainscots.
          All over Egypt, in Nubia, and even at Sinai, Tuthmosis III's helpers erased the Senmut name of most of Senmut’s statues, portraits, and inscriptions.
          No doubt that this important figure had escaped - so much trouble would not have taken place if he had been a deceased and/or had been thoroughly mummified.

Senmut's profile has the outlines of the Tuthmosis family
The one of the pictures with Senmut painted on the wall of his second tomb has apparently been destroyed, but mainly the cheek and the chin as if the goal was to remove the distinguished royal beard. And in this case it was an important part to destroy.
          Some graffitis are showing Senmut with dimples or double chin stripes added - it was a common symbol of wealth - Senmut in his prime. So, these were not portraits and cannot be used for comparison with mummies with dimples etc.
          Re-use of the few spared portraits have been easily established by the new ruler - cf. W. Stevenson Smith in his "The Art and Architecture of Ancient Egypt" (New Haven 1981, p. 226) making precise statements on their looks, "... Senmut's profile has the outlines of the Tuthmosis family. ..."
          This supports the total impression of Senmut as Hatshepsut’s son, because his looks resembled very much that of other members of the royal family. And the changes of the pictures in the chapel are so revealing that this fact may have caused the demolition of the chapel soon after.

The picture manipulation
Only pictures precisely showing Senmut were damaged by the iconoclastic riot. In order to be sure to win, Senmut "backed two horses" by being portrayed both as the partly neutral crown prince and as Senmut - and yet he lost. The fact that a few of his names were not deleted meant that in Duat, the underworld, he was granted at that place a tiny chance of existence instead of a complete eradication.
          A grown-up, young man dressed in a princely and even pharaonic ornate is depicted in the Deir el-Bahari temple, in a scene showing Hatshepsut’s expedition to Punt. This cannot be the person who later became Tuthmosis III, because he was only a minor, a small child, at the time of this expedition.
          Another relief in this Hatshepsut temple shows - incompletely - a young royal couple (often the Crown Princess Neferure is suggested as being one of them - and she also disappeared from the scene), where the young man cannot be the later Tuthmosis III due to his very young age. However, the motive may very well show Senmut/Moses as a pharaonic prince.
          Thus, the tactics of Tuthmosis III could have been to spare the relief and let it suggest that he was the person depicted as the crown prince. Compare the principle corresponding to that of Tuthmosis III's when he transformed Hatshepsut’s years of reign to his own years of reign - only to create an official pre-history as a crown prince. In fact, most of his young years he spent as priest at a temple in the north at the Nile delta, according to his earliest autobiographical inscriptions.

Ove von Spaeth, writer, researcher - the Zenith Project, - topical:  www.moses-egypt.net/book2/moses2-inform_en.asp,  copyright © 2000  -  (&:  March,2006)

The above information is from Ove von Spaeth's meticulous archaeological and textual documentation in his book, "The Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter" - on Moses' Identity and Mystery Re-evaluated - vol.2 of the series "Assassinating Moses"

¤ Readers' mail, 17 March 2008  -  opinion:
The development of science - is 40 percent theoretical consensus?

Inspired from reading about ancient Egyptian science and modern research - cf. the www-moses-egypt.net's pages, e.g. on "FAQ: Dating Egypt's Oldest Star Map" - I will show the following:
          "... The development of science is perhaps 40% theoretical consensus. We, the interested professionals and amateurs of the scientific community have serious debate and conversation regarding the reasons some us have the urge to investigate issues and programmes. ...
          The Egyptians described the human 'being' as a vessel of various degrees. The quotience of the vessel known as the 'Ba' and the 'Ka' character and life exist as seperate entities and as the pineal gland is joulted, my opinion is that the 'Ka' is perhaps some part released from the human vessel to wonder, resulting with the weird 'self acknowledgement of person difficiency', i.e semi-zombie state. However, the process of being raised next battle {self corrective procedure} is to seek alignment with ones original physical 'standard set up mode' resulting with a roller coaster ride of emotional turmoil seeking for the persons self to realign 'The Ba and the Ka'. ..."
          To read all of the thesis - also covering modern and ancient anthropology - please request it here:

Norman Copeland, author, - normancopeland@hotmail.com  -  (17.Mar.2008)

¤ Jens Jorgensen, former Headmaster,  zoominfo.com, 22 September 2006 - reference:
Spokesman on Educational Subjects

Jens Jorgensen, Historian, M.A., was External Examiner of History at the three Universities of Copenhagen, Aarhus, and Odense, and former Headmaster of Slagelse College/High School; for several years he was also a Member of Danish Parliament, the Conservative Party's Spokesman on Educational subjects.
          Earlier Headquarters Addresses: Websites: www.ku.dk & www.au.dk

Web References:  www.moses-egypt.net
          1.  Assassinating Moses, Vol. 1: Review by Jens Jorgensen, www.moses-egypt.net/book1/moses1-reviews_en.asp -
review published on: 11/20/1999 - Frederiksbog Amts Avis, daily (20.Nov.1999, p.8)
          2. www.moses-egypt.net
www.moses-egypt.net/book4/moses4-inform_en.asp -
review published on: 13/1/2005 - Sjaellands Tidende (daily)
          3. www.moses-egypt.net
www.moses-egypt.net/book2/moses2-inform_en.asp
review published on: 4/8/2001 - Frederiksborg Amts Avis, daily
          4. www.moses-egypt.net
www.moses-egypt.net/book3/moses3-inform_en.asp
review published on: 22/3/2002 - Sjaellands Tidende, daily
          5. www.moses-egypt.net
www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/moses_info+faq_en.asp
introduction published on: 7/9/2001 - Assassinating Moses, Vol. 3
          6. http://flix.dk/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=3553
review published on: 3/5/2006 - Netavisen Flix.dk

zoominfo.com, -  http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=602565152   -  (22.Sep.2007)

¤ Jamerah.com -  February 2008  -  recommendation:
Empowerment through Information

Welcome to Jamerah. Empowerment through Information. Mark Taylor Harbin has a Bachelor of Arts in International Relations & Spanish and has a Masters degree in Contracts Management. He is an educated Occupational Health, Safety & Quality Advisor & Auditor since 1987.

Jamerah recommandation - Alternative Links:
www.moses-egypt.net :  Ove von Spaeth's  Zenith files - article database

Mark Taylor Harbin: Jamerah,  Empowerment through Information, - http://www.jamerah.com/index.php  -  (February2007)

       
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¤ Bonnier's World History, (Stockholm, Sweden), no. 2, January 2008  -  info-article:
Hatshepsut was the mother of Moses

According to the Bible a daughter of a pharaoh found Moses among the reeds and took care of him. However... Moses was not of Jewish descent. In reality he was a biological son of the later so famous Egyptian Queen Hatshepsut (ca. 1500 BC) and was hereby heir to the Egyptian throne - as being claimed by a controversial historian.

          Danish historian Ove von Spaeth presents the controversial theory that Hatshepsut is identical to the pharaoh's daughter who in the Bible's account finds the infant Moses in a basket on the River Nile. According to the historian in question Moses was of non-Jewish ancestry - he was Hatshepsut's biological son and thus a successor to the throne of all Egypt.

          The biblical text concerning Moses found on the River Nile presents in actual fact an Egyptian description about a typical ceremony for new-born royal children. The Bible's account about a Jewish child to be taken care of by the Egyptian pharaonic family was, according to von Spaeth, a later reconstruction in which the later Jews had omitted (in the Bible, but not in the Rabbinical Writings) important details about Moses' Egyptian background only to make him fit in with a Jewish context.
          That Moses never became pharaoh was due to Hatshepsut's successor, Thutmosis III, who was behind a plot making Moses expelled from Egypt - this was published in antiquity already by Church historian Eusebius (275-339 AD). When Thutmosis III after the dead of Hatsheput destroyed most of the memories of her, he also succeeded to rub out Moses of the history of Egypt.

Bonnier's World History, no. 2 (week 2), 7th January 2008, p. 61,  - Editor-in-chief: Sebastian Relster.   Publishers:  Bonnier Publications International AB, Stockholm, Sweden, -  http://www.varldenshistoria.se/polopoly.jsp?d=421  - & - http://www.bonnierpublications.se  -  (7.Jan.2008)

¤ hotspotz.com, 10 November 2006  -  presentation :
Forbidden knowledge of the Knights Templar ...

This article comes from Paranormal Phenomenon Hot Spots - http://www.hotspotsz.com . - Welcome to hotspotsz.com Paranormal Phenomena. Hotspotsz.com is one of the fastest growing reference bases on the net on the subjects of the paranormal.
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Forbidden knowledge of the Knights Templar. - On the legendary Knights Templar, by: Ove von Spaeth - copyright © 2000 & © 2004 - author, historian, independent researcher - www.moses-egypt.net .
          The text includes a number of extracts from "Den Hemmelige Religion" (The Secret Religion) - by Ove von Spaeth - which is volume No 4 in his series "Assassinating Moses".
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http://www.hotspotsz.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=401 (10.Nov.2006)

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¤ Contribution, 29 November, 2004  -  opinion::
A science occasionally suppressing new light

Frequently we are under pressure by hysterical and sometimes even mendacious "public" science armed with a threatening authority suppressing all openness and all attempts to look at the world in a new light and approach it from new angles. Independent researchers trying to unveil historical secrets not yet disclosed have had to put up with coarse criticism from the established science - so very unfair and absurd, as I see it.
          Mr. Ove von Spaeth, the Danish Writer, is a well known contemporary independent researcher. His long standing effort has focussed on Egypt and the Middle East with a few detours to India and Europe. First and foremost he is known for his impressive, innovative, and very excitingly written work of five books about the historical Moses, a treatise which in this country has aroused both the greatest recognition as well as the greatest debate in many years in this field ...
          In his intense and comprehensive studies of star knowledge in Ancient Egypt, Mr. Ove von Spaeth has succeeded in wringing out so far unknown information of the oldest star map of the world; likewise he has been able to ascertain exactly the so far uncertain perception of the determination of time of the most important era of the Egyptian list of kings.
          This presented better connection of the old knowledge makes it easier for us to understand the ways of thinking by the ancients and the conundrums of history. And last but not least: in addition to his meticulous research and his ability to understand events and religious life of ancient times, Mr. Ove von Spaeth is a marvellous narrator. He makes us turn things upside down once again. And we really need that!

Bjorn Andersen, BA in literature and linguistic science, Journalist DJF, former Programme Editor at the Danish National Television  -  (29.Nov.2004)

 

¤ Presented to the moses-egypt.net, 6 December 2004  -  opinion:
The suggestion of other and untraditional views

          Mr. Ove von Spaeth's background is not the current, scientific education, but rather an interdisciplinary knowledge and a huge long-life-collected material of sources. Indeed, his books about Moses are not appreciated in certain circles at the Parnassus. However, a more fair consideration of controversial points of criticism should be initiated - for instance instead of this cheap and scornful non-scientifical rejection that much to my personal amazement I as a listener witnessed in a lecture hall at the University of Copenhagen on 23rd November, 2003, at a meeting with the Danish Egyptology Society.  
          No doubt it would have been more becoming for the lecturer as well as the organizer if they had tried strictly scientifically to point out and document  the points of Mr. Ove von  Spaeth's alleged erroneous interpretation of available sources. This, however, did not happen, despite the fact that the involved university professionals had themselves chosen Moses as the evening's subject and even advertised that they intended to use Mr. Ove  von Spaeth's books as their basis point; which was not done eventually!

          Still, I find that the established science of Egyptologian line - also in Denmark - should not restrain from seriously and publicly debating Mr. Ove von Spaeth's widely published work about interpretation and dating of the world's oldest star map - pictured at the ceiling of the Senmut tomb in Luxor - and also which consequences this work might have for Egyptian chronology. - I also find it exciting and thought-provoking when Mr. Ove von Spaeth proves in details that many historical sequences in fact can be merged with exact astronomical time data of the past in the tradition's information about celestial events - for instance solar eclipses - with a more subtle perception of history as a consequence. 
          Everything considered, the thoughts and ideas of this writer and researcher deserve broader dissemination, because so much are definitely suitable for further debate and information, and are able to present some of history's recognised truths in unusual, new, unconventional cohesions leading to engagement and inspiration and further concentration on the subjects. 

          In particular through Mr. Ove von Spaeth's humongous work with the book-series on Moses that I know him as an enthusiastic, engaged, and very serious person, who does not claim to know the truth, but only suggests other and untraditional angles of interpretation. 

Ole Henningsen, Co-Editor, SUFOI Journal - oleh@post1.tele.dk - (6.Dec.2004)

 

       
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¤ Swedano Journal, August 2004 (3rd year, No.8, pp.31-34)  -  feature article:
Refusing Looking Through Galileo's Telescope

By  OVE VON SPAETH


Surprising hostility - involuntarily giving the new-orientating books about Moses an advantageous attention

Our common history of the past is vital to culture. In large parts of the Western world the historians' work is highly appreciated - also the work made by researchers not attached to the university world or other major institutions. The very importance of the subject decides that this research field cannot be left only to experts of certain directions. Do institutions have "more right to history"? Such case has a principle character, for instance concerning the reactions to the new-orientating research on the historical Moses.
          A case is presented here because it has a principle character: the following episode includes actors from the University of Copenhagen and is only being one example among many concerning the reactions to a new-orientating research on the historical Moses.

          A peculiar experience when Head of Faculty and former Pro-Rector at the University of Copenhagen, Professor and Dr. John Strange, in his speach at this place (23.Nov.2003) had completely misquoted from my books about Moses. He did this with creative selectivity by leaving out the book's carefully documented, essential information about an astronomical datable event, thus leaving everybody with an erroneous impression that the book is not trustworthy. It was not a slip because he intentionally  tried to make people react to whar he told them. The whole episode is testified by several witness and a direct tape recording.
          The exact sciences and the humanities' researchings are based on a refined scholastic tradition with a highly developed argumentation culture - all in contrast to such a speech definitely without any scientifical seriousness, in fact it is a falsification when omitting to relate to the presented necessary data of relevance.
          Also, in his speach Dr. John Strange denied the very existence of some important parts of the books' presented material concerning Moses in ancient Egypt - he did this completely without knowning that these material (about mummyfication) was scientifically accepted and internationally (e.g. in France, USA, and Egypt) researched thoroughly for more than 15 years. Then, with a contemptuous attitude he threw the book across the rostrum. Maybe he also had no knowledge of the fact - in contrast to his failed attempts - that objections to results of research should be serious and relevant, this condition is one of the absolutely necessary basics at all because analytic criticism is a golden incentive to progress.

          The material presented in my books about the historical Moses indicates strongly an early dating of the Exodus from Egypt. Some academics try to dismiss it by referring to the factually wrong reasoning that "consensus claims a late dating". A true scientific conduct? Obviously, scientific findings and facts can never be established by consensus and majority votes. For centuries it was consensus that "the age of the universe is only 6,000 years".
          When consensus appear in science it calls for utmost alertness. One consensus "decides" that Exodus when Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt, took place at a late time. Another concensus "decides" that Moses is a myth, i.e. unreal! In this way a complete discrepancy is presented by which one result cannot exist, if the other one exists. Most peculiar when many academic researchers and here indeed Dr. Strange do not see the slightest problem in using both of these contradicting results simultaneously. In fact something of a schizophrenic achievement. By the efforts to maintain an outdated theory a clearing up seems not to be the goal.


What can we learn, and what can be done in a better way?

If a special researcher's results are considered as inconvenient by followers of another observans it is not only an irrational but also a totalitarian conduct to explain away in public that the research done by this scientist is mistaken. In contrast, the initial position of my own research is always being determined by the fact that I have to act in relation to the exact reality of data, finds, and historic descriptions - and not to some ideological trends of research 'politics'.
          However, it is not atypical that some researchers in a state of being unsupported by facts and detached from reality, claim that Moses and the exodus are non-existing. How does somebody know about what does not exist? That is exactly what they don't know. All they do know is what science may not yet have observed.

          As for genuine historicity as the basis of the oldest biblical narratives: research and science itself creates blind spots in the visual range when uncritically "by consensus" having accepted previous research's originally provisional working models as a kind of "truth". This disturbs both the focus on many diverging lines and on new angles of a subject in question.
          Unfortunately. some researchers are still ignoring archaeological finds and other new included discoveries concerning the historical Moses. This happen often when these finds seem to present very inconvenient interpretation problems, which disclose by their very existence when a traditional perception is probably wrong. Nothing is more provoking than reality.
          Round here, these peoples' "point of no return" state arises, and from now on counter-arguments terminating of having any importance. Not the tinyest concession must take place - therefore the persons in a the thus fixed position, unfortunately, are led to shut off also any possible future concession.


Offering the discovered material

As also mentioned in the prefaces that my books' investigations, materials, explorations, finds, and analyses all constitute an offer which by preference can be accepted or rejected. These books are without polemic confrontation or provocative manifesto, and I am not a missionary. Some affected academic schools clearly have a problem with the books' unconventional approach to the material - but why not avoid the books then and consider them as indifferent instead of trying in vain to suppress them in public and thus obviously revealing the books are of importance.
          Trying to suppress by "silence" against new ideas and yet do it very loudly by lectures and writings is such a clumsy way to refrain from observing presented facts in my book-series. Although without literal comparison, this resembles when other "experts" - likewise just among the learned theological representatives - declined a decisive scientific discovery by refusing to take a look at it through Galilei's telescope.
          (Paragraphs selected from the author's original article in Danish)

Ove von Spaeth, writer, in feature article "Galilei's Telescope", copyright © 2003 & 2004, - Swedano Journal, Aug.2004 (3rd yr, No.8, pp.31-34) - (org. 8.Dec.2003)

¤ On the Ove von Spaeth five-volume series, 30 August 2006  -  statements:
The opposition from the orthodox

Concerning the Ove von Spaeth five-volume series. - Are there any English publishers for the purchase of the author's work?
          Ove von Spaeth is truly an outstanding testament to light and truth, I must possess these books to learn what has been or is suppressed knowledge. Is it expected that his work will ever be published in English - for public purchasing?
          I know the opposition that exist to ban the subject is tremendous coming from orthodox powers that disagree with truth.
          Sincerely, a seeker of knowledge and wisdom,

Irvin Best, - vesti@bellsouth.net  -  (30.Sep.2006)

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Inscription with non-orthodox hieroglyph (horse) in Ramses III's temple, Medinet Habu


 
 
2  DISCUSSIONGROUPS & NEWSGROUPS - ON THE MOSES-SERIES
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¤ Newsgroups, on Literature hints /book reviews, May-July 2006  -  info:
If published in English this work would have 'shaked' the world

Mingler | Groups | The life's origin - Limited group - 48 members | Forum | News - Literature hints /reviews

the good life, founder: 14.05.2006 - 18:18 - Via this thread I will currently inform about hints on reading material concerning the origin of life, inspired by topics debated via these threads and my inspirations during the years. You are all welcome to supply with hints and reviews.
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Really, I want to draw your attention to a very interesting work, "The Assassination of Moses", Vols. 1-5, by Ove von Spaeth, Danish Autodidact Researcher. He is a VERY well-informed person - I say this only about very few persons!!! 
          This work would probably have "shaken" the world if it had been published in English - the way Schonfield's "The Passover Plot" did in the 1970ties (our Denmark avoided the shock (in the Kierkegaard way) - probably because it was written in a "foreign" lingo).

dantalion, - Contribution: 1040, - Publication/documentaries (hints) -  16th May, 2006 18:56  -  www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?group=livetsoprindelse
&thread=33524&perpage=20
  -  (16.May,2006)



dantalion: Moses 1-5 by Danish Autodidact Researcher, Ove von Spaeth. Google search: "Moses - von Spaeth".
          He is well known in Germany - can you tell more also about the contents ? - in short! Yes, or broader in another thread.

dao, - Contribution 1183, - Publications/documentaries (hints) -  29th July, 2006  20:12 -  www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?group=livetsoprindelse
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Hello pax - I believe that this contribution belongs in the literature references ?? Can you pass it on, there?

the good life, - Contribution: 2482 - Publications/documentaries (hints) -  30th July, 2006  18:33  -  www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?group=livetsoprindelse
&thread=33524&perpage=20
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¤ Mingler.dk, discussion & news groups, subject: The Ove von Spaeth book-series Assassinating Moses, July-September 2006  -  ideas:
Assassinating Moses, volumes 1-5, - I have read them all, and they are good

Mingler | Groups | The life's origin - Limited group - 48 members | Forum | Tread  subject: Assassinating Moses  (the Ove von Spaeth book-series)

Forum of philosophically and existentially searching individuals with an open mind. What is the origin of life and human beings? How did life on earth and in the universe begin? What is the beginning of human beings? We should be focusing on the most recent findings and results of archaeology, science, cultural/historical research, religion research, andshould also dust off old interesting theories/myths.
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At another line PAX asks for information about the series of books, "Assassinating Moses, volumes 1-5". I have read them all, and they are good.
          Today many contemporary researchers prefer to see Moses as a mythological figure invented for the occasion. In short, von Spaeth tries to find the historical Moses.
          The books are one long description of the circumstances at the time of Moses, as well as a kind of demonstration of his statements. - Some conclusions:

- Moses was in fact an Egyptian prince - and consequently heir to the throne
- Moses was in fact also Senmut and should have become Pharaoh Tuthmosis
- Moses was NOT the son of a Hebrew woman, and was NOT adopted by the daughter of Pharaoh
- Moses had no plans about introducing a monotheistic religion in Egypt
- Moses was exiled from powers by Egyptian "priests"
- Moses tried unsuccessfully to gather Egypt's "emigrants" (the Hebrews") for a revolt
- Moses and the Hebrews were exiled from Egypt to Sinai, where Moses then introduced the idea about one god
- he never gave up his wish for a return to Egypt and a take-over of the throne

Thus the statement presents another picture than the Jewish writings and the "Old Testament". Moses was founder of a religion, but he had no ideas about taking the Hebrews to "the promised land", i.e. Israel.
          I can highly recommend all the books...

nosmokey, - Concerning: Assassinating Moses, - Mss: 536 - 30.07.2006 - 11:03   - www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?
group=livetsoprindels&thread=47217&perpage=20  -  (30.Jul.2006)

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Hmmm ... sound wild, nosmokey. Are the books trustworthy? Well, I mean - are these statements based on thoughts and ideas, or are they based on genuine biblical and historical research?

the good life, Founder, - Concerning: Assassinating Moses, - Mss: 2482 - 30.07.2006 - 18:31  -  www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?
group_livetsoprindels&thread=47217&perpage=20  -  (30.Jul.2006)

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The books are trustworthy, and the statements are substantiated by many years of research of Jewish and Egyptian sources.
          It should be kept in mind, however, that we are dealing with an amateur researcher who has not been widely recognised by the rest of the world, as far as I know.
          But it is always exhilarating to have a new angle at some deep-rooted imaginations about history.

nosmokey, - Concerning: Assassinating Moses, - Mss: 536, - 30.07.2006 - 22:56 - www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?group=livetsoprindels
&thread=47217&perpage=20  -  (30.Jul.2006)

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Exciting ideas .....

flyingdutchman, - Concerning: Assassinating Moses, - Mss: 1776, - 31.07.2006 - 01:03 - www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?group=livetsoprindels
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Yes, it sounds exciting, nosmokey.
          Had actually considered giving up my health and life style career plans to study religion science, archaeology, and history, etc. But I haven't the strength to grind away at Greek, Latin Hebrew, etc.
          It is good that somebody takes on the labour on behalf of us with the hobby interest, so that we can keep up ;-)

the good life, - Concerning: Assassinating Moses, - Mss: 2482, - 31.07.2006 - 01:29 - 01:03 - www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?group=livetsoprindels
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Have any of you read the books?
          To me they provided a lot of "down to earth" information and plausible explanations on how the Jewish and the Christian religion may have appeared. In any case, they give a lot of insight of ancient Egyptian culture and also of old rituals on Virgin Birth and royal children in rush vessels.

nosmokey, - Concerning: Assassinating Moses, - Mss: 536 - 17.08.2006 - 23:52 -
www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?group=livetsoprindels
&thread=47217&perpage=20  - (17.Aug.2006)

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Where can I get hold of the books, nosmokey? Library probably? But can they also be bought somewhere or are they old and in shortage with the publishers?

the good life, - Concerning: Assassinating Moses, - Mss: 2482 - 18.08.2006 - 11:01 - www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?group=livetsoprindels
&thread=47217&perpage=20 - (18.Aug.2006)

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You can read all this about the books at this ... LINK (http://www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/moses-survey_en.asp).
          They can be bought at C.A. Reitzel Booksellar and Publisher in Copenhagen (http://www.careitzel.dk)

nosmokey, - Concerning: Assassinating Moses, - Mss: 536 - 18.08.2006 - 11:28 - www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?group=livetsoprindels
&thread=47217&perpage=20  - (18.Aug.2006)

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An extract that I found was one of the exciting conclusions: 

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The dramatic and moving event where a three month old baby in a rush pleated vessel is found by the king's daughter and accepted in the palace, is known approx. 1,000 years prior to the story about Moses. The boy's name is Sargon (2300 BC), and this happens on River Euphrates. 
          Later we meet similar stories in Greek mythology with Dionysus and Attis and in that of the Romans with Romulus. You may also remember the story of our own King Skjold (King Shield or King Sheaf). This is probably a very ancient royal ritual.
          The oldest known royal child ritual is that of Sargon, and that of Moses is the most well known."
          So maybe Moses was not at all a Hebrew (Israelite) but an Egyptian prince participating in a well known cultic ceremony. Many believe that not only is he a prince, but possibly a crown prince.

nosmokey, - Concerning: Assassinating Moses, - Mss: 536 - 18.08.2006 - 11:55 - www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?group=livetsoprindels
&thread=47217&perpage=20 - (18.Aug.2006)

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Yes! I have read them when they were published. Was acquainted with von Spaeth more than 20 years ago!!! - when he had some interesting ideas about astrological aspects in 1600 literature (e.g. Macbeth).
          The "new" about von Spaeth is that he uses contemporary star maps for dating. The other theories have been known for some time - only not in Danish!
          Whether his theories are "acknowledged" in the "world of academic persons" is unknown. But as far as I remember there was a minor controversy with an employee at Religion History studies.
          Under all circumstances, encouraging reading.

dantalion, - Concerning: Assassinating Moses, - Mss: 1040 - 11.09.2006 - 09:27 - www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?group=livetsoprindels
&thread=47217&perpage=20  -  (11.Sep.2006)

       
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¤ The Huffington Post, discussion & news groups, August 2006  -  opinions:
'Titanic' filmmaker James Cameron - and Moses

Filmmaker James Cameron Finds Scientific Evidence Of Biblical "Red Sea Parting"...
Times Of London | Tony Allen-Mills | Posted August 5, 2006 09:00 PM

THE HUFFINGTON POST - Delivering News and Opinion Since May 9, 2005.
          A Hollywood twist: James Cameron, the director of Titanic, is the executive producer of a new documentary that claims to have uncovered fresh evidence confirming one of the most dramatic episodes in the Old Testament -- the parting of the Red Sea and the Jewish exodus from Egypt.
          In The Exodus Decoded, a 90-minute documentary, Cameron and Simcha Jacobovici, the Canadian film producer, claim a volcanic eruption on the Greek archipelago of Santorini triggered a chain of natural catastrophes recorded in the Bible as the 10 plagues upon Egypt. - Comments for this post are now closed.
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Enough already with folks trying to prove their mythology through science!!! Grow up people, the "Hebrew scriptures" are myths and fairytales, like those surrounding Romulus and Remus, Zeus, Santa Claus, and the tooth fairy. At some point, we grow up and we realize our parents were lying to us... anyone who still believes the Hebrew scriptures are anything more than a bedtime story is an overgrown child. Let's stop taking all this "religious" nonsense seriously so we can stop killing each other over it.

used2bapatriot, - on August 05, 2006 at 11:58pm  -  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/08/05/filmmaker-james-cameron-f_n_26613.html?p=2#comments  - (5.Aug.2006)

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I think James Cameron should first find evidence supporting biblical claims that the Israelites were ever slaves of the Egyptians or that Moses was a true historical figure, so far there is none for either.

hardluck, - on August 05, 2006 at 10:37pm  -  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/08/05/filmmaker-james-cameron-f_n_26613.html?p=2#comments  - (5.Aug.2006)

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Common misconception. Here's a link to one scientist who's researching evidence of Moses:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/default.asp ...

Mort, - on August 06, 2006 at 03:09am -  http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/08/06/filmmaker-james-cameron-f_n_26613.html?p=2#comments  - (6.Aug.2006)

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Scientist? Ooops. Did you mean the famous gynecologist who treats STD's with 'hands' on healing?

ExRepublican, - on August 06, 2006 at 03:33am - http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/08/06/filmmaker-james-cameron-f_n_26613.html?p=3#comments  - (6.Aug.2006)

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Wow. Great choice of headline articles, HuffPo editors. How relevant and interesting.

WhiskerBiscuit, - on August 06, 2006 at 03:20am -http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2006/08/06/filmmaker-james-cameron-f_n_26613.html?p=3#comments  - (6.Aug.2006)

¤ Wiki-Board.en, archived debates, 15 November 2005  -  opinions:
Crackpot Egyptologist

(...the Ove von Spaeth stuff about Moses and on the stars) I smell tin foil hattery - "Independent scientist"... he seems to have published that paper about the dating of that star map, but the journal appears to be relatively obscure, - clearly an advertisement for one guy's fringe theory.

Lupo, (Sc.D., Engineer in Computer Science), - archived debate on proposals - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lupo  - 15 November 2005 13:05 (UTC)  -  (15.Nov.2005)

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Vanity. However, there may be a List of Crackpot Egyptologists or similar that we can merge it to.

The Land, (Economist),  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Land  - archived debate on proposals - 15 November 2005 15:00 (UTC)  -  (15.Nov.2005)

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I can't believe you came up with a list that has not yet been created!

Guy, (Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] - Guy Chapman),  http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk (W) AfD?  - archived debate on proposals - 15 November 2005  21:47 (UTC)  -  (15.Nov.2005)

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NOTE (pres. webmaster) : concerning actual Wiki initial problems of relevance, the Wiki instruction page asks to bear with their busy staff's sometimes blunt comments. Cf. also extern comments by independent press notices by BBC and AFP :  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5286458.stm  - & -  http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061018/tc_afp/afplifestyleinternetcompanywikicitizendium

       
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3  DEBATE AND NEWS ON OVE VON SPAETH'S DATING THE OLDEST EGYPTIAN STAR MAP
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¤ Message, - 16. August 2006  -  considerations:
Moses and star-historical observations

The World-axis in the sky is mentioned in the Moses-series' volume 1 and volume 2 of the Moses-series and in specil Zenith-files article in the Zenith-portal. So this I think people would find interesting and exiting - that in connection with teaching and study about Egypt there can be taken up information about Moses and further a trip around both the geography and the World-tree (the Worls-axis in the sky) ... because there appeared a big conjunction of planets near the star Sirius, all of which was - amazingly to moderne researchers - described very precisely, very early in world history.
          Appearently, there are three special stars at the World-axis and it is to be seen vertically in as a straight line on which the star most high in the sky is the North Star in every 12,000 year. It is the star Vega in the Lyra constellation, and as North Star at a time it is orientated horizontally in a straight line with our axis of the Earth. Very interesting... hu!

A.S. Norring Olm, cburkal-message, - annesofienorring@hotmail.com - (16.Aug.2006)

¤ News- & Discussiongroups, the question about the Pleiades and the Senmut Star-map, ancient-history, 1 December 2006  -  info:
Pleiades Constellation, Senmut's Star Map, and a Master-work of Ove von Spaeth

Re: [ellenlloyd] re ;Star-Chart ;//EGYPTIAN STUFF

Meet great people and participate in interesting discussions! - Access to the group is by application. - Ellen Lloyd, Author of - Voices from Legendary Times.  -  Related Link: www.ufoarea.com/main_lloyd.html  - & -  Post message: ellenlloyd@yahoogroups.com  - & -  List owner: ellenlloyd-owner@yahoogroups.com 

Hy Ellen et al; - That (Egg-Evaporating Disc) in that Egyptian Star-chart is the Pleiades Constellation according to that Senmut Star-map I forwarded to the group …which is beyond the Orion Constellation …am right in the middle of a interesting section covering most if not all those early Star-charts of Egypt …could this have been where those (Atlantian's ) species originally came from …I wonder …(Try URL)  - IT WILL PULL UP CHOSEN (chosenbloodseed@...>) !!!!!!!!
          I also put forward a idea on that (ASCII) episode I had those many years ago… How close to the truth was it J                 - (The Pleiades Constellation according to the Senmut Star-map:)    http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut4-history_en.asp

mobydoc <patcobb@...> - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25304 of 25363 - Fri Dec 1, 2006 12:28 am -  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25304  - & -  Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/   -  (1.Dec.2006)



Hy Ellen ...Tony …Mike; - I am sorry to be such a crashing bore … but that's the type of being ...I am: The Constellation Plaiades or (Humids) to the Ancient Egyptians … now puts that Senmut (Star-map-chart) into the right perspective…IMHO
__, ._,_  http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2-faq_en.asp  _

          The seven pointed Star refers to the Plaiades group which the A/Es five star … called "The Humids" …as if there were a different language of (none human) audio... if any !...like the earliest A/E glyphs of that era which have yet to be found I believe ( the sacred script ) Gardiner, A.[Egyptian Grammar] shows this …
          How this ties in with Dr Doug Johnstones Evaporating Disk and the Senmut /‘Humids' Star-chart is yet to be fathomed …or is the [evaporating disc] a 'mirror' image …of what it might have been (The Humids]… was it closer to our system "once" ? Could it have been a ‘link' or ‘transponder' that allowed a [star-gate] type of system to exist …could the Earths (Bass) link been the G/P …more guesses maybe ….but then isn't most early Ancient History ...        Regards Moby
          DON'T KNOW IF I SENT THIS ONE IF I DID MY APOLOGIZES CHOSEN!!!!!!!

mobydoc, - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25411 of 25450 - Fri Dec 1, 2006  8:06 pm  - http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25411  - & -  Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/   -  (1.Dec.2006)

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It's unavailable.

paulanoone,  - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25414 of 25450 - Fri Dec 1, 2006  8:11 pm  -  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25414  - & -  Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/   -  (1.Dec.2006)

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I was able to access it. - I use Firefox when something come up unavailable I found that explorer will open it or visa versa.

JLM <wicasa@...> jlmbx340, - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25420 of 25450 - Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:20 pm  -  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25420  - & -  Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/   -  (1.Dec.2006)

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Pleiades , stargates and vortexs are something that are really interesting me now, thank you so much, - Sandy

sandyscorp3, - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25417 of 25450 - Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:15 pm  -  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25417  - & -  Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/   -  (1.Dec.2006)

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That's the Milky Way picture in Photos - a vortex

paulanoone, - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25446 of 25451 - Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:34 pm  -  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25446  - & -  Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/   -  (1.Dec.2006)

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Re: vortexes - http://www.angelfire.com/indie/anna_jones1/vortexes.html
A vortex is a mass of energy that moves in a rotary or whirling motion, causing a depression or vacuum at the center... These powerful eddies of pure Earth power manifest as spiral-like
coagulations of energy that are either electric, magnetic, or electromagnetic qualities of life force."

sandyscorp3, - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25425 of 25451 - Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:34 pm  -  http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25425  - & -  Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup  http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/   -  (1.Dec.2006)

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Hi to all again, - I am happy to be here, and what a synchronicity, this link in question is to a site established by my best friend Ove von Spaeth, who had analysed this star map ...he has written 5 wonderful books, unfortunately, in Danish only. It is a masterpiece, all the things he has done and many things he has been writing about.
          It is the first thing I read here in this group, and so funny the world is very little, think of how many people there are around the world, and HERE in Ellen's group, I find my friend Ove's website have its link being accentuated - I can't believe it, LOL, well he and I have had and have many wonderful sharings together concerning the cosmology, anyway his articles - a number of them - have been translated in English.

Cosmaya, - (Ulla Runchel), - PLUMEHOME@telefonica.net, - Subject: Re: [ellenlloyd] Pleiades  - Sent: Sunday, 3 December 2006 12:28 a.m. - To: ellenlloyd@yahoogroups.com  -  (3.Dec.2006)

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Hy Cosmaya … It is a Master-work …in my eyes anyway
          …and would rate alongside the works of Flinders Petrie (founder of scientific Egyptian archaeology) ...believe me
- the archaeological world need more Ove von Spaeth-s.
         - Best of regards

Pat/Moby, - mobydoc <patcobb@ihug.co.nz> , Subject: Re: [ellenlloyd] Pleiades  - Sent: Sunday, 3 December 2006 12:28 a.m. - To: ellenlloyd@yahoogroups.com  -  (3.Dec.2006)

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Hi all, - "moby" recommends - in his message of December 1st - a link concerning the Pleiades. Unfortunately, another contributor seem to have had trouble when connecting. The reason for this is that the ending of the address in question should not be  .esp  but  .asp  - in other words: http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2-faq_en.asp

          However, the Pleiades are not mentioned here, but appear on the next page which has this address: http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut4-history_en.asp

          In addition, it might be recommended that several unconventional articles written by Ove von Spaeth are to be found on a main-page named "Zenith files":
http://www.moses-egypt.net/zenith-files_en/zenith-netbase_en.asp

Cosmaya, - (Ulla Runchel), - PLUMEHOME@telefonica.net, - Subject: Re: [ellenlloyd] Pleiades  - Sent: Sunday, 12 December 2006 14:31 p.m. - To: ellenlloyd@yahoogroups.com  -  (12.Dec.2006)

       
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¤ Discussiongroups,  Antikitera.net, Il Portale Italiano dell'Archeologia Misteriosa, 26 October 2006  -  info:
Uno studio pubblicato da Ove von Spaeth

quote:    Originally posted by Kiya - 06 October 2006 : 02:05:25 . - L'elemento che maggiormente attrae la mia attenzione è senza dubbio la rappresentazione in un riquadro di tre stelle che potrebbero essere le tre stelle della cintura di Orione. La particolarità sta nel fatto che di queste, la stella centrale è circondata da tre pseudo ellissi, che realmente parrebbero tre gocce: da un lato terminano con una punta, non sono arrotondate. Le tre punte in questione sono rivolte verso una quarta stella che va a completare il quadro.

In tutti i libri che ho letto su questo argomento si dice che le tre stelle della cintura di Orione sono quelle più grandi al centro, sopra la figura umana. Questo anche nei libri "di mistero" come "Il mistero di Orione" di Bauval e Gilbert, "Custode della genesi" e "Lo specchio del cielo" di Hancock e altri.
          Le altre tre stelle, con la centrale circondata dalle forme ovali, potrebbero invece essere il gruppo (sempre all'interno della costellazione di Orione) che contiene la nebulosa M42. La stella alonata sarebbe proprio la nebulosa, che si può vedere anche ad occhio nudo come una stella "sfocata". Nell'antichità la nebulosa si doveva vedere molto meglio di oggi, mancando l'inquinamento luminoso dovuto alle luci delle città. La nebulosa M42 è quella stella più rossa sotto la cintura di Orione.

          Secondo uno studio pubblicato da Ove von Spaeth  nel 2000, la posizione dei pianeti e delle stelle raffigurati in quella tomba permetterebbe di datarla in modo preciso. Si tratterebbe del mese di maggio del 1534 avanti Cristo:
          http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut-files_survey_en.asp    &
          http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut1-mapdate_en.asp    &
          http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2-faq_en.asp

Qui, nella sezione "downloading" si può scaricare il file PDF con tutto l'articolo illustrato:
          http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut3-treatise_en.asp
In questo articolo si parla anche di quali stelle e pianeti sono raffigurati nel soffitto e in quale posizione, ad esempio a partire da sinistra si vede Venere (l'uccello Benu), poi Mercurio indicato dal solo nome senza figure, poi Saturno e Giove sulle prime due barche. L'astro più importante è Sirio, raffigurato come Iside. L'ultima figura umana in piedi sulla barca sarebbe Orione, sormontato dalle tre stelle della cintura. Marte sarebbe la barca vuota a destra:
          http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut1-mapdate_en.asp
Quel soffitto secondo l'ipotesi di Ove von Spaeth rappresenta una congiunzione nella stessa "zona" di cielo di questi astri, avvenuta nell'aprile-maggio del 1534 a.C.

Trystero,  Antikitera.net - Il Portale Italiano dell'Archeologia Misteriosa  -
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¤ The Celestial Sphinx, website, March 2008  -  recommendation:
The Celestial Hall of Records

Have you ever wondered who mapped the constellations, when and why? Come with me to the Celestial Hall of Records and discover the 16,000 year old Celestial Sphinx, Hu, who was the blueprint for the Sphinx at Giza.
          Gaze upon the face of the Creator, the "Giver of Life in the Beginning". Learn the Lost Word. Discover the greatest of the Lost Secrets of the remote Ancient Egyptians, including their knowledge of Precession which they encoded into their mythology, art, and the Narmer Plate.
          he remote Ancient Egyptians mapped the constellations, discovered Precession and invented hieroglyphs. It was they who introduced the arts and sciences to the rest of the world.

          Astronomers agree that the Constellation of Orion is keeping the Constellation of Taurus the Bull at bay with his bow and arrows. The two long spikes above Orion's Bow are the horns of Taurus. In Ancient Egypt Orion was known as The Soul of Osiris.
          Traditionally Osiris is considered to be the Lord of the Two Lands; Lord of the Heavens and Lord of the Earth. He was also considered to be Lord of the Dead and in this capacity was always represented in mummy wrappings and wearing the White Crown of Egypt. However when Orion is examined more closely in his connection with Ancient Egypt the scene takes on a new significance.
          The White Crown is as synonymous with Ancient Egypt as is the River Nile, the Sphinx and the Pyramids ... and the Red Crown of Ancient Egypt enjoyed the same renown.
          Egyptologists associate the White Crown with Upper Egypt and the Red Crown with Lower Egypt due to a misinterpretation of the Narmer Plate. They also incorrectly associate the Double Crown with the Unification of Upper and Lower Egypt around 3200 BCE.

          No other civilizations had Red Crowns, White Crowns, Osiris beards and a Sphinx!          Remember also that in the Osiris Legend, Thoth is credited with having introdu