DEBATE AND MANIFESTATIONS CONCERNING THE BOOK-SERIES ON HISTORICAL MOSES
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Message, 4 October 2006 -
statements:
Bringing knowledge and insight
Concerning: Moses & New Research / Mysteriet om Moses Revurderet.
Message: Many thanks, Ove von Spaeth, you have given us knowledge and
insight and opened our eyes concerning the world religions. You have got some
small, however, exclusive fan club in Moss, Norway!
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2006 - data mining :
Moses in the von Spaeth analysis - and Hatshepsut
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Assassinating Moses, Vol. 1: Reviews - Moses was not a Hebrew, he was
Egyptian, probably his name was Tuth-mosis, and he was the genuine child of
Hatshepsut, the daughter of the former pharaoh, and he was the heir to the
throne in the vast Egyptian kingdom. - Lepsius claimed that Moses was
contemporary with Pharaoh Ramses II around 1500 B.C. However, when it was later
discovered that Ramses II was probably living in 1200, the dating of Moses was
also removed to 1200, because in the meantime the anticipation of the time of
the two persons being the same had become evident. - 1509-1487 B.C. This person, "the
daughter of Pharaoh" is in the von Spaeth analysis being the mother of Moses
and, thus, not his adoptive mother, as the Old Testament is suggesting. www.moses-egypt.net/book1/moses1-reviews_en.asp (5094 words)
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Letter, 10 March 2006 - Reader's Comment and
Question :
Different centuries in which Moses is said to have
lived?
When we are hearing so much about different centuries in which Moses is said
to have lived, we sometimes also hear even about that he has not existed. By
this we can figure out that most of these rumours may not by correct
information. So, how is the present situation, and maybe some new results may
concern the decisive question? Thanks for your work,
ALM, arch., Copenhagen, - a reader with a great interest in
history - (10.Mar.2006)
NOTE from webmaster, moses-egypt.net: see Ove von Spaeth's replying
data-info below, in following text: "A more precise dating of Moses
...".
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Excerpt of "Assassinating Moses", vol. 1, - 10 March 2008
- historical chronology :
A more precise dating of Moses
By OVE VON SPAETH, author, researcher
Through time many text have been issued about different centuries in which Moses
is said to have lived - or even that he never existed at all.
This leads many
people to presume that most of these rumours are correct - and that is why it is
often maintained that Moses is a myth, which must be wrong if we consider the
many existing statements from ancient history.
The necessary information is now available - it concerns at least three
independent, astronomically verifiable checkpoints during the time of
Moses - i.e. the birth of Moses, the Israelite exodus from Egypt, and their
invasion of Canaan:
1. According
to Rabbi Abrabanel's information (published in 1497) based on very old Jewish
traditions about the birth of Moses, this event took place three years after the
large planetary conjunction in the celestial sector later known as Pisces. The
occurrence of this event in the sky can be objectively verified based on modern
astronomical computations - they show exactly that this great event was the only
large conjunction in this sector for many hundreds of years and the biggest in a
millennium - and that it took place in February 1537 BC.
This proves the birth
of Moses to be in February 1534 BC - cf. extensive and genuine documentation in
detail in the book, "The
Suppressed Record", by Ove von Spaeth. Of greatest interest is that this is all in accordance
with the Rabbinical Writings about the birth of Moses in the Jewish month adar
(February/March when translated to modern calendar style).
2. According
to Josephus the Israelite Exodus took place in "Moses' 80th year", i.e. when
Moses was 79 years of age. In 1454 BC, the Israelite Exodus from Egypt took
place these 79 years after the birth of Moses. The date of this first Easter can
be astronomically computed: in the Bible ("Book of Exodus") the first Easter was
determined from the first full moon on the 14th day of the first spring month,
i.e. the first full moon after the vernal equinox; the culmination of this full
moon took place even on the very day of the equinox in 1454 BC, on the 21st
March (transposed to modern calendar style).
3. The
battle of Joshua - at Gibeon where "... the sun stood still ..." ("Book of
Joshua", 10:12-13) in 1415 BC the Israelite year of invasion 39-40 years after
the beginning of their exodus - is anticipated to have taken place simultaneously
with a certain, celestial phenomenon. In Ove von Spaeth's book, "The
Vanished Successor" on "... Rediscovering the Hidden War Leading to Exodus ..."
(the vol. 3 of Ove von Spaeth's book-series "Assassinating
Moses"), this is
carefully investigated and reveals a rare kind of total lunar eclipse, i.e. "the
Cleomedes phenomenon" appearing on
25th June, at sunset, 1415 BC.
The
archaeological results achieved by the very experienced John Garstang, from his
7 years of digging out the ruins of Jericho - and later his colleague John J.
Bimson's scientific examination by chemical analysis of the pottery found at the
site - confirm the dating in all respects.
Archaeologists and
historians should concern theselves with this broad context which is not seen mentioned hitherto.
However, many scholars
had often hesitated to carry out inter-disciplinary research and to take
advantage of comparing and testing results across the boundaries of the
disciplines/subjects involved - and did not want to change a hitherto belief in
a much later dating although this is altogether inconsistent and undocumented, -
also leading to the belief that these biblical events are mere myths.
In addition, the Bible's
the "1st Book of Kings" (6:1) indicates the Israelite exodus from Egypt occurred 480
years prior to the 4th year of Solomon's reign. His 4th year is variously dated
around 975 BC, placing the exodus around 1455 BC.
Moses' exile in Midian
lasted 40 years ("Exodus" 2:23 and "Acts" 7:3) while the pharaoh of the
oppression was still alive. In the entire millennium in question the only
pharaohs who ruled 40 years or more were Tuthmosis III (ca. 1509-1455 BC) and
Ramses II (ca. 1290-1224 BC).
Scholars who hold to a
late date of the exodus identify Ramses II as the pharaoh of the exodus often
because of a special city mentioned in the "Book of Exodus" (1:11) is called
Rameses - this in spite of all relating excavation proves that Rameses II by his
new namegiving of this much older city merely took credit for his reorganizing
of the city.
Ramses II's son and successor, Pharaoh Merneptah, raised a stele
(ca. 1220 BC), the text of which confirms that Israel at the time was a
well-known name and already an
established nation/people inside the Canaanitic country.
Regarding research on
Moses, extensive correspondence already exists between dating from
archaeological results, chemical analysis, astronomical phenomena, information
given by Josephus, Philo, the Egyptian-Greek historian Manetho, and later by
Rabbi Abrabanel too, and in addition the ancient data in the Rabbinical Writings
- all of which is compelling evidence. Archaeologists and historians should
really take an interest in this comprehensive and strictly logical context which
has hitherto not been seen elsewhere.
Letter, 10 March 2006 - Reader's
Comment and Question :
What about the Hyksos-people
Your books on Moses - initiate thinking - made me look for some subjects
which made me amazed when I read the books. I could not make notes during my
first reading because the books came from our public library, and I did not
wrote separate notes because I had planned to read the books again later.
However, I remember that
the Hyksos-people was not included in the word index of the first volume, and I
thought it was meant to be like that. But then I discovered that the subject is
registered in the second volume. - Thanks for your work. Sincerely,
Lena Rotenberg, - Educational Consultant and Deputy Chief
Assessor for the
International Baccalaureate Organization's Theory of Knowledge Course
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lena.rotenberg@get2net.dk - (17.jan.2004)
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:: OvS's reply. Comment to Lena
Rotenberg's mail of 17.Jan.2004
The subject in question, the Hyksos-people, was also planned to be included
in the word index of the volume 1.
However, in spite of we
have been more than careful from our side (you can not imagine how many
readings and so much extra checking) then by a misunderstanding
(unfortunately, not the only one) at the book-printing office after the
proofreading, the slip only was discovered when too late - i.e. after the
publication.
However, a chance for
restoring came - by the reprinting of the volume 1 the item "Hyksos" is now
included so that the Hyksos can be read about at two places (pp. 100 and
108). - Thanks for asking.
Ove von Spaeth
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NOTE from webmaster, moses-egypt.net: see Ove von Spaeth's information below, in
the next following text: "The Hyksos People".
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On reprinting 'The Suppressed Record', mail
17 January 2004 - comment :
The Hyksos People
By OVE VON SPAETH, author, researcher
The Hyksos People
Concerning the Hyksos, I discovered many years ago that we have got an extra
clue showing something about the "time background" for this Semitic people's
occupation of Egypt in approx. 180 years - when they had their own leaders
became the pharaohs. During that time the likewise Semitic tribe, the Hebrew
family of Jacob (Ya'qub) and his sons immigrated to Egypt and settled
there.
The oldest parts of the
Rabbinical Writings have the same age as the oldest parts of the Bible. In a
book of selected Rabbinical Writings (S. Baring-Gould: "Legends of Old Testament
Characters, from the Talmud and Other Sources", vol. 2, London 1871, p. 35) can
be read about Joseph in Egypt on his journey when reaching a certain city:
"... the caravan entered Heliopolis, the chief city of Egypt, which was the
under the government of Rajjan, the Amalekite ...".
The narratives handed
over, by oral tradition, were only manifested in writing (the Rabbinical
Writings) after approx. 1,500 years or more - and that is why the Egyptian city
of On is mentioned by its later name, Heliopolis. The important thing is that in
this case we are thus being informed by a source of 3,500 years about the Hyksos
invaders that (they and) their pharaohs were Amalekites.
As early as in the time
of Abraham (1900-1800's BC) - the Amalekites, according to Genesis 14:7, were known living in a
region near the biblical Mount Seir, which is identified in the high mountainous
range now located in "the Negev Highlands". Also the Hebrew-Roman
historian Josephus "only" 2000 years ago, have mentioned some traces of this
invading people, and he calls them the Shepherd-people.
Archaeology has revealed that in
18th century BC the Hyksos introduced in Egypt the chariot and improved archery
by using laminated bows. The simultaneous presence of this historical documented
Hyksos-people in Egypt seems to be the contributing background for that the
biblical Joseph, although being a non-Egyptian, could be placed in a most high
position in Egypt.
When the Israelites'
exodus lead by Moses took place, a continuous fighting started between the two
groups - until King David ca. 400 years later had the Amalekites eliminated.
When claiming that these
parts of the Bible are myths many scholars are not able to document it, and now
such an ancient Rabbinical source of exact information (Baring-Gould: "Legends
...", cf. above) is giving them one big
problem more.
Concerning the fact that I made some statements about you and the News about
Moses in a web-forum - I occasionally exercise my 'discussion' muscles on the
Byzantine board. A few agree with my other views but most do not, and that forces me to do
more research. So I find that good for me. Quite besides, I am not Greek as you
may have supposed, - my name (Kaliss) is Polish (kaliz) but very similar to
Greek. My wife's family name is Malis - and that is Greek.
Thank you for the many
English texts already on your website, I will read them with interest, and look
forward to the day when all are published in English. -ray
Ray Kaliss, - rkaliss1@cox.net
- (9.dec.2003)
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The Theology Library - Autumn
2008 - historical, scientifical, and literary info:
Exodus on line
The
Theology Library
went online in the spring of 1996. Gerald Darring created the Library ...
After six years as part of the website of McGill-Toolen Catholic High
School, the Theology Library was transferred in 2002 to the webpage of the
Theology Department at Spring Hill College.
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The Exodus and The Wanderings in the Wilderness Volume II of "The
Bible History. Old Testament" By Alfred Edersheim.
- - - An
Introduction to the Book of Exodus By David Malick.
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Exodus: A People is Born By W. Gunther Plaut, "Excerpted from The
Torah: A Modern Commentary".
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Moses By Joseph Jacobs, George A. Barton, Wilhelm Bacher, Jacob Zallel
Lauterbach, Crawford Howell Toy, and Kaufmann Kohler, in "The Jewish
Encyclopedia", 1910.
- - - Assassinating Moses -
a 5-volume work by Ove von
Spaeth: 1. The Suppressed Record. Moses' Unknown Egyptian
Background. 2. The Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter. Moses'
Identity and Mystery Re-evaluated. 3. The Vanished Successor.
Rediscovering Moses' Hidden War Leading to Exodus. 4. The Secret
Religion. Moses and the Egyptian Heritage in the Past and Present. 5.
Prophet and Unknown Genius. Illuminating Moses the Advanced Pioneer.
- - -
Moses: In the Bible & Beyond By Rabbi Louis Jacobs, from "The Jewish
Religion. A Companion", published by Oxford University Press.
Concerning Ove von Spaeth's text about "Alchemy
by Moses" . I have now read this text a couple of times - with MUCH
great interest and profit!
The text is - as
everything else created by that author - a treasure of exiting, boarder-crossing
knowledge and new information. In addition, it is entertaining as a very good
novel.
Bjorn Andersen, B.A. and Senior Lecturer in Literary
criticism and Linguistic science at Copenhagen University, Journalist DJF,
former Programme Editor at the Danish National Television -
biorn@mail.dk - (12.Mar.2008)
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Message, - September 2004 -
info:
The enigmatic Golden Calf of Egypt's gold
On the first
page of my website, frankerne.dk there are some links to Ove von Spaeth's so
very good texts. It is important for new readers to acquire a good foundation to
begin the studies: A foundation of basic knowledge necessary to go deeply into
this vast subject.
The White Powder of Gold,
The Elixir of Life. - The Egyptians called it mfkzt. "The Book of the
Dead" describes the intake of the substance, along with a 30-day fasting, as:
the ladder to heaven. The substance was swallowed and it strengthen the human
body both physically and mentally for life. On Mount Sinai, Moses burned this
powder. The Ark of the Covenant contained perhaps this substance. The new
expression for this substance is "Mono Atomic Gold". - In response to my
questions about the mysterious gold powder, Erik Ansvang reproduce following
summary from the research given in Ove von Spaeth's
book "The Secret
Religion" (from chapter 8, p.71-82) on the enigmatic Golden Calf of Egypt's
gold.
Thorstein Mikael Frank - http://frankerne.dk/The_Holy_Grail.htm
- (September 2004)
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Readers' mail, 14 March 2008 -
informative comment :
I, too, suggested Senenmut as being a candidate for
Moses
I find Ove von Spaeth's observations very interesting, although I'm not
well-versed in astronomy.
In my own book, "The Exodus Chronicles: Beliefs, Legends & Rumors from Antiquity
Regarding the Exodus of the Jews from Egypt", (2003), I, too, suggested Senenmut
as being a candidate for Moses. This was based on the theory of "a very
important man who disappears and was not buried in either of his tombs".
But now I am no longer so
sure that Senenmut did disappear from Egypt, that he was not buried and that his
mummy hasn't been found. All of this I discuss here:
http://www.geocities.com/scribelist/Senenmut.html
In brief, is it possible
to ascertain if a certain mummy is the son of Rahotep and Hat nofret, the
parents of Senenmut. Theoretically--yes.
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NOTE from webmaster, moses-egypt.net: see Ove von Spaeth's replying
data-info below, in following text: "Senmut was a victim to the
greatest major eradication ...".
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Excerpt of "Assassinating Moses" vol. 2, - 14
March 2008 - a key to historical riddle :
Senmut was a victim to the greatest major
eradication
By OVE VON SPAETH, author, researcher
Senmut (Senenmut) was a victim to the greatest major eradication of a name in
all history of Egypt.
Earlier in his life, when being the Grand Vizier to the king (who was
Queen/Pharaoh Hatshepsut), Senmut soon held more than 20 of the superior offices
in Egypt and at least 80 titles.
To have many titles was
not unknown - however, the majority of Senmut's titles were not to embellish but
because his capacity was immense - so besides being the Grand Vizier he was the
country's main architect and constructor, Minister of Foreign Affairs, chief of
the calendar and astronomical observations, etc. Later - after his mysterious
disappearance - his numerous posts close to the king had to be divided into many
viziers' offices.
Senmut disappeared - in
the same year as of Moses' flight, 1494 BC - and the new Pharaoh Tuthmosis III
took the power from Hatshepsut by a historical coup and gradually destroyed most
of Senmut's statues and inscriptions. It reveals the intention that all
important memories of Senmut's (Moses') identity were to be deleted. He had been
eliminated as the Pharaoh-to-be - he was not to be known by present or by
future.
Destruction would not have taken place if Senmut/Moses had not been of royal
descent
The impression was to be that he had not existed at all. So, all over Egypt,
Senmut's (Moses') name was deleted during countrywide damnation memoriae,
to a total extent never seen before!
Senmut's names and works
were subject to a collective, deliberate, comprehensive destruction. It was the
most extensive eradiation of names in all history of Egypt! Although headed by
Pharaoh himself (Tuthmosis III) and his staff this extensive destruction would
obviously not have caught so much attention and effort if Senmut/Moses had not
been of royal descent and initiated as heir to the throne.
Destruction of the Senmut
name inscriptions and statues meant real eradication. This was an extra way to
destroy his existence reaching much further than his earthly life, i.e. the
feared "second death", when all memories have vanished.
In Hatshepsut's Deir
el-Bahari temple Senmut's name was deleted in 66 of the "hidden" wainscots.
All over Egypt, in Nubia,
and even at Sinai, Tuthmosis III's helpers erased the Senmut name of most of
Senmut's statues, portraits, and inscriptions.
No doubt that this important figure had escaped - so much trouble would not have
taken place if he had been a deceased and/or had been thoroughly mummified.
Senmut's profile has the outlines of the Tuthmosis family
The one of the pictures with Senmut painted on the wall of his second tomb has
apparently been destroyed, but mainly the cheek and the chin as if the goal was
to remove the distinguished royal beard. And in this case it was an important
part to destroy.
Some graffitis are
showing Senmut with dimples or double chin stripes added - it was a common
symbol of wealth - Senmut in his prime. So, these were not portraits and cannot
be used for comparison with mummies with dimples etc.
Re-use of the few spared
portraits have been easily established by the new ruler - cf. W. Stevenson Smith
in his "The Art and Architecture of Ancient Egypt" (New Haven 1981, p. 226)
making precise statements on their looks, "... Senmut's profile has the outlines
of the Tuthmosis family. ..."
This supports the total
impression of Senmut as Hatshepsut's son, because his looks resembled very much
that of other members of the royal family. And the changes of the pictures of
Senmut in Hatshepsut's so-called red chapel (at the great temple in Karnak) are
so revealing that this fact may have contributed to cause the demolition of the
chapel soon after.
The image manipulation
Only pictures precisely showing Senmut were damaged by the iconoclastic riot. In
order to be sure to win, Senmut "backed two horses" by being portrayed both as
the partly neutral crown prince and as Senmut - and yet he lost. The fact that a
few of his names were not deleted meant that in Duat, the underworld, he was
granted at that place a tiny chance of existence instead of a complete
eradication.
A grown-up, young man
dressed in a princely and even pharaonic ornate is depicted in the Deir
el-Bahari temple, in a scene showing Hatshepsut's expedition to Punt. This
cannot be the person who later became Tuthmosis III, because he was only a
minor, a little child, at the time of this expedition, which he has never been
associated with, whereas Senmut was its organizer.
Another relief in this
Hatshepsut temple shows - incompletely - a young royal couple (often the Crown
Princess Neferure is suggested as being one of them - and also she
disappeared suddenly from the scene), where the young man cannot be the later
Tuthmosis III due to his very young age. However, the motive may very well show
Senmut/Moses as a pharaonic prince.
Thus, the tactics of
Tuthmosis III could have been to spare the relief and let it suggest that he was
the person depicted as the crown prince. Compare the principle corresponding to
that of Tuthmosis III's when he transformed Hatshepsut's years of reign to his
own years of reign - only to create an official pre-history as a crown prince.
In fact, most of his young years he spent as priest at a temple in the north at
the Nile delta, according to his earliest autobiographical inscriptions.
The above information is from
Ove von Spaeth's meticulous archaeological and textual documentation in his
book, "The
Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter" - on Moses' Identity and Mystery
Re-evaluated - vol.2 of the series "Assassinating
Moses"
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NOTE, further data on the subject is given by the author Ove von Spaeth in
the following message (The Disappeared Traces - Rediscovered) below.
On the similarities concerning Senmut and
Moses, March 2008 - research:
The Disappeared Traces - Rediscovered
By OVE VON SPAETH
Many people have looked for clues concerning the similarities concerning Senmut and Moses - cf. also data in the answer to Marianne
Luban in above mail.
- From the book by Ove von Spaeth, "The Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter", some
of the results in short form can be seen here:
When Senmut
disappeared, many of his traces were destructed. - Correspondingly the Egyptian
traces of Moses seem to disappear, although he had a high-ranking status and
therefore almost inevitably must have left some traces behind, e.g. in
inscriptions, graves, etc.
The astonishing
similarity, summing up the very many special circumstances, available from many
sources - recognizable and equally important for both Senmut and Moses, the
following is possible to re-establish concerning Senmut-Moses. More than 30 very
personal and specific circumstances identical with Senmut and Moses - in closest
detail - are concrete facts:
a) When -
simultaneously in the same country at the same court, two so similar persons
with the same unusual positions and extraordinary expertise were in existence -
they appear not as different persons, but persons of one and same identity.
b) Both "Senmut,
the favourite of the Daughter of Pharaoh" and "Moses, the favourite of Pharaoh's
Daughter", disappeared suddenly from Egypt - and left behind the same kind of
high-ranking posts within exactly the same time, even the same year, in Egyptian
history. They have particular identical fates going as far as specific personal
details; and the Senmut name might have been just one of many Egyptian names of
young Moses, as he as a high-status person had many names - many of these
mentioned in the Rabbinical Writings.
c) Young Moses was
leading military expeditions into Nubia (Sudan) - and the young Senmut did the
same.
d) Moses had great
knowledge about the stars and established the Hebrew calendar - and Senmut was
Egypt's calendar chief and showed his astronomical knowledge by his unique star
map.
e) But especially
this: would Senmut in his tomb show recording of the stars' positions in the sky
at a special time, a moment identical with the episode of Moses in the ark on
the River Nile, if he was not Moses?
f) Traditionally a
queen could rule on behalf of her son, but not - as claimed about Hatshepsut -
on behalf of a nephew. This example is one of many showing that the nephew, the
later Tuthmosis III, was not originally educated or chosen to become Pharaoh.
g) On the Royal
Titles: it is a known fact in Egyptology that the designation "Pharaoh's
Daughter" (Egyptian: sat nisut) was a title given only to crown
princesses, who also kept it when they became queen - and many inscriptions show
Hatshepsut having this, also from the Bible well-known, title.
h) In ancient Egypt
a Crown Prince or Crown Princess would always have - as Hatshepsut in fact had -
the title bjtj (bithia) of the representative rulership to Lower Egypt.
In the Rabbinical Writings the Pharaoh's Daugther in question is called by the
name Bithia which, surprisingly, in Hebrew means "God's Daughter" -
again, in fact, being one of Hatshepsut's important titles.
i) Senmut's
name means 'the mother's brother' which is no peculiar name if, as in this case,
it is a royal title. - Correspondingly or parallel to this, the Bible mentions
Moses as son of "the father's sister". This title can be seen connected to the
fact that Hatshepsut was her father's (Tuthmosis I) royal co-ruler, the way a
queen often was. And this status was described as his (Pharaoh's) "sister".
j) Senmut's
(foster)mother was an employee, a wet-nurse at the pharaonic court - and in the
Bible Moses was partly brought up also by a wet-nurse, in the abbreviated
biblical account confused with his mother's name, Jochebed, which was
another of Hatshepsut's titles, meaning 'Queen of Heaven', often used when
Hatshepsut represented the goddess Isis.
... etc., etc. .....
The above information is from
Ove von Spaeth's meticulous archaeological and textual documentation in his
book, "The
Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter" - on: Moses' Identity and Mystery
Re-evaluated - vol.2 of the series "Assassinating
Moses"
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Readers' mail, 17 March 2008 -
opinion:
The development of science - is 40 percent
theoretical consensus?
Inspired from reading about ancient Egyptian science and modern research -
cf. the www-moses-egypt.net's pages, e.g. on "FAQ:
Dating Egypt's Oldest Star Map" - I will show the following:
"... The development of
science is perhaps 40% theoretical consensus. We, the interested professionals
and amateurs of the scientific community have serious debate and conversation
regarding the reasons some us have the urge to investigate issues and
programmes. ...
The Egyptians described
the human 'being' as a vessel of various degrees. The quotience of the vessel
known as the 'Ba' and the 'Ka' character and life exist as separate entities and
as the pineal gland is joulted, my opinion is that the 'Ka' is perhaps some part
released from the human vessel to wonder, resulting with the weird 'self
acknowledgement of person difficiency', i.e semi-zombie state. However, the
process of being raised next battle {self corrective procedure} is to seek
alignment with ones original physical 'standard set up mode' resulting with a
roller coaster ride of emotional turmoil seeking for the persons self to realign
'The Ba and the Ka'. ..."
To read all of the thesis
- also covering modern and ancient anthropology - please request it here:
Jens Jorgensen, former Headmaster,
zoominfo.com, 22 September 2006 - reference:
Spokesman on Educational Subjects
Jens Jorgensen, Historian, M.A., was
External Examiner of History at the three Universities of Copenhagen, Aarhus,
and Odense, and former Headmaster of Slagelse College/High School; for several
years he was also a Member of Danish Parliament, the Conservative Party's
Spokesman on Educational subjects.
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Bonnier's World History, (Stockholm, Sweden),
no. 2, January 2008 - info-article:
Hatshepsut was the mother of Moses
According to the Bible a daughter of a pharaoh found Moses among the reeds
and took care of him. However... Moses was not of Jewish descent. In reality he
was a biological son of the later so famous Egyptian Queen Hatshepsut (ca. 1500
BC) and was hereby heir to the Egyptian throne - as
being claimed by a controversial historian.
Danish
historian
Ove von Spaeth presents the
controversial theory that Hatshepsut is identical to the pharaoh's daughter who in
the Bible's account finds the infant Moses in a basket on the River Nile.
According to the historian in question Moses was of non-Jewish ancestry - he was
Hatshepsut's biological son and thus a successor to the throne of all Egypt.
The biblical text
concerning Moses found on the River Nile presents in actual fact an Egyptian
description about a typical ceremony for new-born royal children. The Bible's
account about a Jewish child to be taken care of by the Egyptian pharaonic family was,
according to von Spaeth,
a later reconstruction in which the later Jews had omitted (in the Bible, but
not in the Rabbinical Writings) important details about Moses' Egyptian
background only to make him fit in with a Jewish context.
That Moses never became
pharaoh was due to Hatshepsut's successor, Tuthmosis III, who was behind a plot
making Moses expelled from Egypt - this was published in antiquity already by
Church historian Eusebius (275-339 AD). When Tuthmosis III after the dead of Hatshepsut destroyed most of the memories of her, he also succeeded to rub out
Moses of the history of Egypt.
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Dianna Padgett (USA) wrote - on January 28th, 2009 -
I've translated the first 4 chapters of Genesis from the Hebrew from a
qabalistic and Egyptian perspective and have found a WONDERFUL treasure that has
sparked new and continuing growth for 10 years. The fact that the Hebrew
alphabet has numeric value introduces the possibility of sacred geometry into
the text and it is not left wanting. The first verse of the first chapter has
Pi and the Sq root of 4 imbedded into it and the format of the verses
that start with "and" incorporate the golden mean.
I'm doing a revision of
the text analysis because I've found the context follows very closely the
Egyptian pantheon and the underlying meanings of the gods in the first chapter.
The second chapter is all alchemy, which is, ofcourse from Thoth/Hermes.
YES. Moses has given us a
Huge treasure. and I think we are back to the point in the time spiral where we
can appreciate and understand it again.
To see a few verses
translated go to
http://www.dianna.padgett-online.com
I am so very much
indebted to Ove von Spaeth and his research
and I just want to say what a blessing he is to the world.
Moses - the great inaugurated. Read about
Ove von Spaeth's
exploration of the ancient Rabbinical Writings and the writers of Antiquity
revealing Moses' later hidden role as Prince of Egypt - and the documents even mention
his insight in magic and stellar world.
Moses was a historical
figure? Or was he a mythical figure? New and thorough research on Moses reveals
a very different and well-documented reality in ancient Egypt. Moses was
Egyptian, he was also named Tutmosis and another one of the names was Senmut.
Who was Moses? - Not
least, one question in particular appears - what have Senmut and Moses to do
with one another?
The mysterious Senmut:
It happened around 3,500 years ago. The place was Egypt which was then being
ruled by the female Pharaoh Hatshepsut. And the main character was the
mysterious master builder and sgrand vezire Senmut whose life have always been a
mystery to Egyptologists. Senmut became known in history due to his
architectural masterpiece - Hatshepsut's temple at the West Bank of Thebes
(Luxor) and his
genious star map.
New and thorough research
in this field reveals a very different and well-documented reality in Egypt of
this ancient era. It has been carried out by Danish researcher
Ove von
Spaeth, presenting convincing conclusions with solid basis in historical and
astronomical studies combined with many years of intensive studies in
archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, religions, history, and the
Egyptian traditions and mystery teachings and mythology.
Ove von Spaeth's
incredible systematic and detailed research reveals that Senmut, the vezire of Pharaoh's
Daughter, and Moses, Moses, the Son of Pharaoh's Daughter, are surprisingly
alike in their lives. The amount of overlap of events is simply overwhelming.
Evidence of the identity
issue is reinforced by his extensive collection of books with specific sources
on parallel facts about the status, offices and works both of Senmut and Moses.
The potential of the intelligent, creative, developing and entrepreneurial Senmut
who were closely associated with the royal family, fits in many specific areas
precisely to what the Rabbinical scriptures and other ancient sources tell about
Moses' many talents and deeds while he, according to the Bible, bore the title
"Son of Pharaoh's Daughter".
To be able to see the
connection between Moses and Senmut it is of course required that you try to
respect the scientific ideal of objectivity as far as to disregard preconceived
ideas and to research with a new view also at the formerly ignored sources.
Normally, it is often seen that research is carried out as if Moses is known in
biblical texts only.
Thus in the current
research almost all Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Indian and Arab handed down sources
and the records by the earliest Fathers of Church are kept away as disturbing
elements. In this article it is obviously not possible to present the
overwhelming amount of data that can documentate the new theories, but they are
accessible to everybody in Ove von Spaeths book-series.
Ove von Spaeth's so
systematic research is a cornucopia of enlightening information about the life
and deed of Senmuts/Moses and is transferred to us in a vivid language. An
attempt to reproduce the colorful life of Moses as a prince going through a
pharaonic educating will hardly be an easy task. The volumen does not allow
this. But it was indeed a period when the power and influence of the priesthood
grew and challenged the pharaoh's power. It placed Crown Prince Senmut/Moses in
the center of the event.
Erik Ansvang, writer, lecturer, course instructor, guide
for Egypt-touring - VisdomsNettet -
http://www.visdomsnettet.dk/a-397/ - (Spring,2002)
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after reading the review -
22 January 2010
- request:
Eager to read the your 5 books about
Moses
I am eager to read the the 5 books about Moses, after reading the review by
Jurij
Moskvitin. What is the price in Euros of the 5 Moses books, plus
shipping to the Netherlands? My Danish is poor, but I have already bought a
dictionary! I am geologist, and I have read several geological articles in
Danish.
Johan Bert Kloosterman, Geologist -
the founder publisher of "Catastrophist Geology" for the study of
discontinuities in Earth history -
http://members.upc.nl/j.athmer/curvitae.htm - jbkloosterman@
- (22.Jan.2010)
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egyports.com, history (2) -
Summer 2008 - info and data archives:
Egypt Websites Directory
Egypt Websites
Directory - presents:
Egypt Archive -
http://www.egyptarchive.co.uk/html/index.html
The Pyramid of Menkaure is the smallest of the three at Giza. It was originally
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Moses & New Research
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http://www.moses-egypt.net
An interpretation of Moses as a historical person and of the chronology of his
era, based on inter-scientifical research in history, egyptology, theology,
archaeology, and historical astronomy. - (Added On: Tue Apr 29 2008)
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Ancient Egypt Index -
http://www.crystalinks.com/egypt.html
The entire civilization of Ancient Egypt was based on religion, and their
beliefs were important to them. Their belief in the rebirth after death became
their driving force behind their funeral practices. - (Added On: Sat Jul 28
2007)
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http://greatscott.com/hiero/
Ancient Egyptian writing uses more than 2,000 hieroglyphic characters. Each
hieroglyph represents a common object in ancient Egypt. Hieroglyphs could
represent the sound of the object or they could represent an idea associated
with the object. - (Added On: Sat Jul 28 2007)
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Declaration Between the United Kingdom and France Respecting Egypt and Morocco,
Together with the Secret Articles Signed at the Same Time ... at London, April
8, 1904. - The Government of the French Republic, for their part, declare that
they will not obstruct the action of Great Britain in that country by asking
that a limit of time be fixed for the British occupation or in any other manner,
and that they give their assent to the draft Khedivial decree ... etc.
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Frequently we are under pressure by hysterical and sometimes even mendacious
"public" science armed with a threatening authority suppressing all openness and
all attempts to look at the world in a new light and approach it from new
angles. Independent researchers trying to unveil historical secrets not yet
disclosed have had to put up with coarse criticism from the established science
- so very unfair and absurd, as I see it.
Mr.
Ove von Spaeth, the
Danish Writer, is a well known contemporary independent researcher. His long
standing effort has focused on Egypt and the Middle East, even with detours to
India and Europe. First and foremost he is known for his impressive, innovative,
and very excitingly written work of five books about the historical Moses, a
treatise which in this country has aroused both the greatest recognition as well
as the greatest debate in many years in this field ...
In his intense and
comprehensive studies of star knowledge in Ancient Egypt, Mr. Ove von Spaeth has
succeeded in wringing out so far unknown information of the oldest star map of
the world; likewise he has been able to ascertain exactly the so far uncertain
perception of the determination of time of the most important era of the
Egyptian list of kings.
This presented better
connection of the old knowledge makes it easier for us to understand the ways of thinking
by the ancients and the conundrums of history. And last but not least: in addition
to his meticulous research and his ability to understand events and religious
life of ancient times, Mr. Ove von Spaeth is a marvellous narrator. He makes us
turn things upside down once again. And we really need that!
Bjorn Andersen, BA in literature and linguistic science,
Journalist DJF, former Programme Editor at the Danish National Television
- (29.Nov.2004)
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Presented to the moses-egypt.net, 6 December
2004 - opinion:
The suggestion of other and untraditional views
Mr. Ove von Spaeth's
background is not the current, scientific education, but rather an
interdisciplinary knowledge and a huge long-life-collected material of sources.
Indeed, his books about Moses are not appreciated in certain circles at the
Parnassus. However, a more fair consideration of controversial points of
criticism should be initiated - for instance instead of this cheap and scornful
non-scientific rejection
that much to my personal amazement I as a listener witnessed in a lecture hall
at the University of Copenhagen on 23rd November, 2003, at a meeting with the
Danish Egyptology Society.
No doubt it would have
been more becoming for the lecturer as well as the organizer if they had tried
strictly scientifically to point out and document the points of Mr.
Ove von Spaeth's alleged erroneous interpretation of available sources. This,
however, did not happen, despite the fact that the involved university
professionals had themselves chosen Moses as the evening's subject and even
advertised that they intended to use the author's books as their basis
point; which was not done eventually!
Still, I find that the
established science's line of
Egyptology - also in Denmark - should not restrain
from seriously and publicly debating Mr. Ove von Spaeth's widely published work
about interpretation and dating of the world's oldest star map - pictured at the
ceiling of the Senmut tomb in Luxor - and also which consequences this work
might have for Egyptian chronology. - I also find it exciting and
thought-provoking when Mr. Ove von Spaeth proves in details that many historical
sequences in fact can be merged with exact astronomical time data of the past in
the tradition's information about celestial events - for instance solar eclipses
- with a more subtle perception of history as a consequence.
Everything considered,
the thoughts and ideas of this writer and researcher deserve broader dissemination, because so
much are definitely suitable for further debate and information, and are able to
present some of history's recognized truths in unusual, new, unconventional
cohesions leading to engagement and inspiration and further concentration on the
subjects.
In particular through Mr.
Ove von Spaeth's humongous work with the book-series on Moses that I know him as
an enthusiastic, engaged, and very serious person, who does not claim to know
the truth, but only suggests other and untraditional angles of
interpretation.
Ole Henningsen, Co-Editor, SUFOI Journal -
oleh@post1.tele.dk - (6.Dec.2004)
It is a human right to seek knowledge. Our common history of the past is
vital to culture, and in large parts of the world the historians' work is highly
appreciated - also the work done by researchers not affiliated with the
university world or other major organizations.
But can the established
research allow itself to overrule other researchers' serious work? Scientists
can be destructive critics against those researchers who repeal the status quo.
Do institutions have more 'right' to history? Importance of the topic
conditionates that the science of history should not be left only to followers
of certain trends or politically fixed research lines.
Surprising action around new-orientating books on Moses
One good thing in this connection is that a surprising hostility involuntarily
giving the new-orientating books about the historical Moses an advantageous
public attention. A case will be presented here because it has a principle
character: the following episode includes actors from the University of
Copenhagen and is only being one example among many concerning the reactions to
a prosperous new-orientating research on the historical Moses.
Within science and
research it is a fact that critique is one of the absolutely necessary elements
at all. Analytic critique is a golden incentive to progress.
However, it was in its
own way an interesting peculiar experience when, unfortunately, John Strange,
Lecturer, Dr. of Divinity, Head of Faculty, and former Pro-Rector at the
University of Copenhagen, in his lecture for The Danish Society of Egyptology
(by its meeting at the University 23rd November, 2003), had completely misquoted
from my books on the historical Moses.
By purpose Dr. John
Strange did this - with creative selectivity - by leaving out the the book's
carefully documented essential information about an astronomical datable event
(important to the whole chronology), thus leaving everybody with an erroneous
impression that the book is not trustworthy. This, despite the fact that the
first pages of volume 1 carefully documents the point in question.
Amazingly incorrect about the books' content
It was not a slip of the tongue because he intentionally tried to make people
react to what he told them. The whole episode is testified by many witnesses and
recording on tape.
Then, with a contemptuous
attitude Dr. Strange threw the book across the rostrum.
In all, such a surprising
action from such high-ranking academic person, a person I had never seen or met
and had any business with. Both the Exact Sciences and the Humanities are based
on a refined scholastic tradition with a highly developed argumentation culture,
and it is definitely not scientifically serious by deliberately to create a
falsification when omitting to relate to the books' presented necessary data of
relevance.
Maybe he also had no
knowledge of the fact - in contrast to his failed attempts - that objections to
the results of research should be done in the most responsible way, serious and
relevant. This condition is among the absolutely necessary basics at all,
because analytic criticism is a golden incentive to progress.
In science consensus is not a guarantee for facts
Also, in his speech Dr. John Strange denied the very existence of some important
parts of the books' presented results concerning Moses in ancient Egypt - he did
this completely without knowing that this material (about the mummification
process) in general has been scientifically known, accepted, and internationally
researched thoroughly (e.g. in France, USA, and Egypt) for more than 15 years
prior to his action.
At 1500 BC the Egyptians
knew about many constellations in the same way as concepted also in much
later astronomy, for example, the constellations of Scorpio, Gemini and the
Lion but the lecturer rejected such facts in my book, he 'knew better'.
The collected
overwhelming amount of material presented in my books on the historical
Moses indicates strongly an early dating of the Israelite exodus from Egypt.
Some groups among
academics, including Dr. John Strange in the situation referred to, try to
dismiss it by referring to the factually wrong reasoning that "consensus claims
a late dating". A true scientific conduct? Obviously, scientific findings and
facts can never be established by consensus and majority votes. For centuries it
was consensus that "the age of the universe is only 6,000 years".
When 'consensus' appears
in science it may call for utmost alertness. One consensus "decides" that
exodus where Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt took place at a late time.
Another consensus "decides" that Moses is a myth, i.e. unreal! In this way a
complete discrepancy is presented by which one result cannot exist, if the other
one exists.
Most peculiar when many
academic researchers, including Dr. Strange here, do not see the slightest
problem in using both of these contradicting scenarios simultaneously. In fact,
something of a schizophrenic achievement. Judging from the believers' efforts to
maintain the outdated theory a clearing up does not seem be their goal !
That his statements are
an accurate version is confirmed when he later repeated them in "History and
Structure", Forum for Biblical Exegesis, vol. 14, 2005, pp. 362-374).
It is an established fact
that Ove von Spaeth with a special experience from more than 25 years of
concentrated research on his interdisciplinary science project and also his
numeral other works - internationally respected for their unique information and
assessments - has presented a considerable amount of new discoveries. Such kind
of meticulous work should of course not be attempted to be overruled by some
temporary consensus' opportune conclusions.
When disturbing a fata morgana of the orthodox
If a certain researcher's results are being considered as to inconveniently
affect followers of another observance it is not only an irrational but also a
totalitarian conduct to explain away in public that the research carried out by
this scientist is a failure. In contrast, the initial position of my own
research is always being determined by the fact that I have to act in relation
to the exact realities of data, finds, and historical descriptions, but not to
some ideological trends of research 'politics'.
However, it is not
atypical that unfortunate researchers in spite of their state of being
unsupported by facts, which is the true situation, and thus detached from
reality claim that Moses and the exodus are non-existing. How does somebody know
about what does not exist? That is exactly what they do not know. All
they could know is that there is something which science may not yet have
observed.
As for genuine
historicity as the basis of the oldest biblical narratives: research and
science itself creates blind spots in the visual range when uncritically "by
consensus" having accepted previous research's originally provisional
working models as a kind of "truth". This disturbs both the focus on many
diverging lines and on new angles of a subject in question.
Surprising action around new-orientating books on Moses
The fact that the recent science development to a large extent is based on
theoretical consensus, is fully open to observe. This can hardly be otherwise
under such a rapid development, and it may well be an understandable practical
basis to start from when going ahead with the new investigations.
In spite of my special
experience from so very many years of concentrated research on my
interdisciplinary science project an also include a number of my works - all
internationally respected for their unique information and assessments, - yet
the new real discoveries can risk being overruled by some temporary consensus'
opportune conclusions.
Unfortunately, some
groups of researchers can be seen to continue ignoring also many other
researchers' archaeological finds and new discoveries concerning the Moses
events. This happens often when a find seems to present a very inconvenient
interpretation problem which by its existence discloses when a traditional
perception is probably wrong.
Round here, a state of
"point of no return" arises by such orthodox scholars, and from now on
counter-arguments are terminating of having any importance. Not the tiniest
concession must take place - therefore the persons in question being in the thus
fixed position are, unfortunately, led to shut off also any possible future
concession. Nothing is more provoking than reality.
What can we learn, and what can be done in a better way?
An orthodox academic group in its comfortable environment of established
knowledge can often find it difficult to confront new knowledge that can
dramatically change some fundamental assumptions about ancient history and
prehistory. It is a fact that, for example, archaeologists, theologians, or classical
philologist are not top experts on many topics such as astronomy, architecture,
engineering, metal manufacturing, geology, etc. And today's new research
conditions also need, in particular, a full-toned multi-disciplinary approach.
And concerning
'consensus': as for genuine historicity being the basis of the oldest
biblical narratives, research and science itself creates blind spots in the
visual range when uncritically "by consensus" having accepted the previous
research's originally provisional working models as now being more than a kind
of "truth". This disturbs both the focus on many diverging lines and on new
angles of a subject in question.
Also, it is fully open to
observe that the recent developments in science are to a large extent - often up
to 40 percent or more - based on theoretical consensus. However, we should only
be honest about it.
This may hardly be
otherwise, and consensus can very well be most practical, under such a rapid
development of today - and it may well be an understandable practical basis to start from
when going ahead with the new investigations. However, we should be true about
it too.
What can we, for example,
learn from it? - that it is always important not to forget that a statement from
a consensus as a working fundament is only a preliminary tool, but is not per
se an established, scientifically proven fact.
Offering the discovered material
As also being mentioned in the prefaces of my books - their investigations, huge
amount of materials, explorations, finds, and analyses all constitute an offer
to further research and investigation. an offer which by preference can be
accepted or rejected. These books are without polemic confrontation or
provocative manifesto, and I'm not a missionary.
Some affected academic
schools or lines do clearly have a problem with the books' meticulous and
unconventionally huge documentation support as an approach to the subjects - but why then would
these people simply not avoid the books and consider them as an indifferent
matter instead of trying in vain to suppress them in public. Showing, obviously,
the books are indeed of importance.
Trying to suppress by
using "silence" against new ideas and yet do it very loudly in lectures and
writings is such a clumsy way to refrain from observing my books' presented
facts. Although without literal comparison this resembles when other "experts" -
likewise just among the learned theological representatives - earlier were
declining a decisive scientific discovery by refusing to take a look at it
through Galileo's telescope.
(Paragraphs selected from
the author's original article in Danish)
Overview Results similar to mine, about the historical Moses, were previously
acheived by a number of renowned scientists from different backgrounds:
Here it is about highly
respected and competent archaeologists - from Flinders Petrie and John Garstang
- to John J. Bimson, James K. Hoffmeier and Bryant G. Wood; experienced
authorities as historians and Egyptologists Eduard Meyer, G. Lefébure and
Suzanne Ratié; historians of religion as Hugo Gressmann, V.H. Juvelius others,
and anthropologists as Otto Rank, etc. The hypothesis is not unprecedented and
is taken seriously.
But when similar results
to those of such authorities are presented in my books then, according to John
Strange and his theologian colleagues, they are ridiculous and incorrect.
This, despite the fact
that my book-series presents a more comprehensive and realistic down to detail
record based on far greater material and even wider range of sources and
indication-facts and data than have ever been realized or even possible.
Let it be clear that
consensus is really practical and often indispensable as a temporary operational
basis. Behind all disagreements on the outer fronts science is basically agrees
with e.g. the view of the atomic theory, the DNA molecule, and the principle of
Darwin's evolutionary theory.
These can even be said to
be above consensus but should of course be ready to be challenged, even
atomic theory is being challenged - e.g. by quantum theory. But when a consensus
developed by certain circles concerning that Moses and the Exodus "are myths",
the participants should know that consensus not necessarily is a final image,
and that it will then be outrageously unscientific to treate results from other serious
research disrespectful. - OvS.
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grahamhancock.com/phorum, 13 November 2008 - research
info:
Evidence through inter-scientifical research
http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum
- Mysteries: for serious discussion of the controversies, approaches and
enigmas surrounding the origins and development of the human species and of
human civilization.
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Re: Real archaeology vs. pseudo-archaeology
Hi Titus, - I've have
followed your topics here with interest and agree with you in this sense that
it's important to look at all this issues with all it takes in the name of the
scientific curiosity.
In my opinion a person
outside the established science is just as capable to find clues we need to
solve some of the missing parts of the history or make invention to help us
finding another way to evolve our society.
I am admitting that some
people have exeptionel skills and intelligence, children at an age of 3 playing
and writing music, speaking 3-5 several languages, dealing with mathematics,
physics, art etc., and when they're 20 with 3-4-6 different master degrees, and
at age 40 top already having really made a difference.
What about when this
intelligence was educated and raised 50 100 200 500 1000 2000 3500 5550 years
ago, what could their name have been, how long back can we go before history is
getting vague or mythical or as John Legon always calls it: invented for
political purposes? -
E.g., who designed this,
http://www.blackwellreference.com/public/tocnode?id=g9780631214816_chunk_g978063121481618_ss1-50
the first time and invented it and was thinking these letters make sense to one
people or more, because of the style? And why should Semitic mineworkers invent
this script - a stage of writing intermediate between Egyptian hieroglyphics and
the Semitic alphabet?
So, the designer of
designing the first letters should have knowledge in Egyptian hieroglyphs but
I'm in doubt if the Semites had a letter alphabet at all at that time - if yes,
why isn't there much more finds of exactly this alphabet in the next centuries,
but in the end it's still considered the base or father to the next generations
of letters?
I know there are many
different meanings of exactly this script here:
http://net.lib.byu.edu/imaging/negev/mainfs.html
And here is what you
probably will call pseudo-science but, as I try to express, who has tried to
cross-examine it more than only what there is written but also who could have
invented it and why: Ove von
Spaeth - who is basing his evidence on a inter-scientifical
research in history, egyptology, theology, archeology and historical astronomy.
So, could it be Moses who
invented it, many ancient writers aggree on this, but modern scholars say his a
myth? But are the disappeared traces which are mentioned here pure speculation
or is it? - cf.:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/debates-continuing-a_en.asp -
where you find "The Disappeared Traces Rediscovered". - As you wrote, few people
know archaeologist Gordon Childe (though, now a bit more because of Spielberg).
Likewise in the case of
Ove von
Spaeth.
comment after thorough reading - 15 April
2004 -
opinion:
About Science and the Historical Moses
With your presentation "Science
and the Historical Moses" I have read it with concentration, actually a
scrutinizing reading. And it is totally convincing. If your opponents cannot
read or understand your reasoning then it is simply because they have determined
that they will not.
In an elegant and always
constructive way you refute their criticism point by point. - At a time I picked
a number of arguments and tried to create objections against you. My assessment
is that is objectively impossible. The source material gives each and every time
evidences for your statements.
I am left with with the
creepy feeling (just the same as at an earlier case when I published my theory
about Hans Christian Andersen) that you actually are up against a kind of -
here, by the Egyptology and Theology academics' - fundamentalism of the worst
kind.
Regarding the text in
itself: a total clear, logical, and stringent structured presentation.
Jens Jorgensen, B.A. Historian, Writer, former Headmaster -
Slagelse City Council, DK - (18.Apr.2010)
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dalel.a3a3.com, - autumn 2008 - info:
Moussa information - موسى
Moussa information
20941 20.941
موسى : Moussa: اسم الموقع Site navn http://www.moses-egypt.net/:
عنوان الموقع URL
موسوعة المواقع العربية : دليل الثقافة والاداب : تاريخ : Encyclopedia af Arab
Sites: A dictiobary for Culture and Literature : Date: القسم Section
13 : 13: عدد الزيارات Hits
موسى موقع غير تجاري يقدم أرشيف من المعلومات والوثائق حول عمل مكون من خمسة
مجلدات، يتضمن دراسات متقدمة وثورية عن تمثال وحقبة سيدنا موسى عليه السلام كشخصية
تاريخية. وقد قام العمل على أساس بحثي علمي في كل من الإنجيل والنصوص الربانية، إلى
جانب علم الآثار، علم المصريات وعلم الإنسان
Moussa, - the site provides a non-commercial archive of information and
documentation on the work consisting of five volumes, including advanced studies
of the revolutionary era and the status of the historical figure, Moses, peace
be upon him. The work being on the basis of scientific research in both the
Bible and the religion-historical texts, as well as archaeology, Egyptology,
anthropology.
answers.com - autumn
2008 - historical, scientifical, literary info on the 4
sources:
Four sources in the Old Testament - J, P, E, and D ?
http://www.answers.com
- Web Search Results of about 23 sites for Four sources in Old Testament J P
E D...
_
Assassinating Moses -
Vol. 3: Debate
The archive is the original Jewish "bible" - the original Old Testament. .....
J-P-E-D (assuming this is the current J and P sources designation) ...
Naked Archeaologist--Shoddy Scholarship!... Source: K. A. Kitchen and Minimalism (Kitchen stands as far to one
..... on
Biblical or Old Testament studies, and for very good reason, ...
היהדות מבוססת על סילופים של סילופים....
לכן בדור המשנה היו ספקות...
בדור התלמוד היו ספקות...
ואנחנו מטומטמים מתדיינים על המשנה והתלמוד בלי להבין את הקונטקסט התרבותי
וההיסטורי...
דת היא בבסיסה תורת מוסר ולכן יש משותף לכל הדתות, אבל כל הדתות ללא יוצא מן הכלל
נוצרו מסיבות פוליטיות!
היהדות נוצרה שלא במתכוון על ידי משה כשרצה להוביל מסע נקמה במצרים והיה משוכנע
שהקול שהוא שומע הוא יהוה
(שהיה אל הירח המצרי וסגדו לו עוד 800 שנה קודם לכן).
מסיבות פוליטיות (המצרים יצרו ברית עם יושבי פלשת) הוא נתקע במדבר 40 שנה וכדי
לשלוט בעם ההיבירו(הזרים שהגיעו במקור ממסופותמיה) מכר להם (ספק ביודעין ספק בשוגג)
את אלהים - שהוא משה נביאו האחד והיחיד... איזה טמטום...
ואת העם הנבחר והארץ המובטחת... שבכל מקרה היו מגיעים אליה...
היהדות כמו כל הדתות היא פארסה אחת גדולה...
תקראו היסטוריונים מצריים ותגלו שמשה היה כהן מצרי (קרוי גם סננמות`) שחי בזמן
הפרעונית חטשפסות` (בת פרעה) והיה אמור לרשת את כסאה אלא שכהני עמון (החרטומים)
ניסו להדיח אותה ואת בנה מהשלטון ולכן רקחו מזימה (איש מצרי ואיש עברי) כדי לסלק
אותו! (נראה לכם שבן מלוכה באותם ימים יברח רק כי הרג מישהו???)
http://www.moses-egypt.net/
Beginning of the end of Judaism. - Judaism is based on סילופים of סילופים ...
And we מטומטמים מתדיינים are without understanding the context in history and
cultural heritage ... Religion is biased theory and therefore has a moral, as for all
religions, but all religions without exception were made for political reasons!
Judaism was created not
by Moshe במתכוון Csartzha lead a journey of revenge in Egypt and was convinced
that he conceived hearing a Jehovah (which was to the Egyptian moon-god Usegu
another 800 years earlier). - For political reasons (the Egyptians have created
an alliance with Eoshevi Pelsat) ha was stuck wilderness 40 years and had to
control the people Hahaibiro (the foreigners who came originally from Mesopotamia)
he was the one and only prophet, Moshe ... What stupidity ... Like
all religions of Judaism is a farce ...
Historians of Egypt
called Moshe a Cohen who was an Egyptian (also known as `Ssanemota) who lived
during Hafroniat Hespsoat (Hatshepsut a pharaoh for many years) and was supposed
to inherit the Csaha - but Schani Ammon (החרטומים) tried to seduce her and her
son מהשלטון so Rkho scam (is Egyptian and Hebrew) to get rid of him! (It looks
like he was a member of royalty in those days - Ibrh only that killing
someone???). Cf.:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/
On the Ove von Spaeth five-volume series, 30
September 2006 - statements:
The opposition from the orthodox
Concerning the Ove von Spaeth five-volume series. - Are there any English
publishers for the purchase of the author's work?
Ove von Spaeth is truly an
outstanding testament to light and truth, I must possess these books to learn
what has been or is suppressed knowledge. Is it expected that his work will ever
be published in English - for public purchasing?
I know the opposition
that exist to ban the subject is tremendous coming from orthodox powers that
disagree with truth.
Sincerely, a seeker of
knowledge and wisdom,
DISCUSSIONGROUPS & NEWSGROUPS - ON THE MOSES-SERIES
¤
Newsgroups, on Literature hints /book
reviews, May-July 2006 - info:
If published in English this work would have
'shaked' the world
Mingler | Groups | The life's origin - Limited group - 48 members | Forum |
News - Literature hints /reviews
the good life,
founder: 14.05.2006 - 18:18 - Via this thread I will currently inform about
hints on reading material concerning the origin of life, inspired by topics
debated via these threads and my inspirations during the years. You are all
welcome to supply with hints and reviews.
_
Really, I want to draw your attention to a very interesting work, "Assassinating Moses", Vols. 1-5, by Ove von Spaeth, Danish Autodidact
Researcher. He is a VERY well-informed person - I say this only about very few
persons!!!
This work would probably
have "shaken" the world if it had been published in English - the way
Schonfield's "The Passover Plot" did in the 1970ties (our Denmark avoided the
shock (in the Kierkegaard way) - probably because it was written in a "foreign"
lingo).
dantalion: Moses 1-5 by Danish Autodidact Researcher, Ove von Spaeth. Google
search: "Moses - von Spaeth".
He is well known in
Germany - can you tell more also about the contents ? - in short! Yes, or
broader in another thread.
Mingler.dk, discussion & news groups,
subject: The Ove von Spaeth book-series Assassinating Moses,
July-September 2006 - ideas:
Assassinating Moses, volumes 1-5, - I have read them
all, and they are good
Mingler | Groups | The life's origin - Limited group - 48 members | Forum |
Tread subject: Assassinating Moses (the Ove von Spaeth
book-series)
Forum of philosophically and
existentially searching individuals with an open mind. What is the origin of
life and human beings? How did life on earth and in the universe begin? What
is the beginning of human beings? We should be focusing on the most recent findings and results
of archaeology, science, cultural/historical research, religion research,
and should also dust off old interesting theories/myths.
_
At another line PAX asks for information about the series of books, "Assassinating
Moses, volumes 1-5". I have read them all, and they are good.
Today many contemporary
researchers prefer to see Moses as a mythological figure invented for the
occasion. In short, von Spaeth tries to find the historical Moses.
The books are one long
description of the circumstances at the time of Moses, as well as a kind of
demonstration of his statements. - Some conclusions:
- Moses was in fact an Egyptian prince - and consequently heir to the throne
- Moses was in fact also Senmut and should have become Pharaoh Tuthmosis
- Moses was NOT the son of a Hebrew woman, and was NOT adopted by the daughter
of Pharaoh
- Moses had no plans about introducing a monotheistic religion in Egypt
- Moses was exiled from powers by Egyptian "priests"
- Moses tried unsuccessfully to gather Egypt's "emigrants" (the Hebrews") for a
revolt
- Moses and the Hebrews were exiled from Egypt to Sinai, where Moses then
introduced the idea about one god
- he never gave up his wish for a return to Egypt and a take-over of the throne
Thus the statement presents another picture than the Jewish writings and the
"Old Testament". Moses was founder of a religion, but he had no ideas about
taking the Hebrews to "the promised land", i.e. Israel.
I can highly recommend
all the books...
Hmmm ... sound wild, nosmokey. Are the books trustworthy? Well, I mean - are these statements based on thoughts and ideas, or are they based on genuine
biblical and historical research?
the good life, Founder, - Concerning: Assassinating Moses, -
Mss: 2482 - 30.07.2006 - 18:31 -
www.mingler.dk/groups_forumviewthread.jsp?
group_livetsoprindels&thread=47217&perpage=20 - (30.Jul.2006)
-
The books are trustworthy, and the statements are substantiated by many years of
research of Jewish and Egyptian sources.
It should be kept in
mind, however, that we are dealing with an amateur researcher who has not been
widely recognized by the rest of the world, as far as I know.
But it is always
exhilarating to have a new angle at some deep-rooted imaginations about history.
Yes, it sounds exciting, nosmokey.
Had actually considered
giving up my health and life style career plans to study religion science,
archaeology, and history, etc. But I haven't the strength to grind away at
Greek, Latin Hebrew, etc.
It is good that somebody
takes on the labour on behalf of us with the hobby interest, so that we can keep
up ;-)
Have any of you read the books?
To me they provided a lot
of "down to earth" information and plausible explanations on how the Jewish and
the Christian religion may have appeared. In any case, they give a lot of
insight of ancient Egyptian culture and also of old rituals on Virgin Birth and
royal children in rush vessels.
Where can I get hold of the books, nosmokey? Library
probably? But can they also be bought somewhere or are they old and in shortage
with the publishers?
-
An extract that I found was one of the exciting conclusions: "The
dramatic and moving event where a three month old baby in a rush pleated vessel
is found by the king's daughter and accepted in the palace, is known approx.
1,000 years prior to the story about Moses. The boy's name is Sargon (2300 BC),
and this happens on River Euphrates.
Later we meet similar
stories in Greek mythology with Dionysus and Attis and in that of the Romans
with Romulus. You may also remember the story of our own King Skjold (King
Shield or King Sheaf). This is probably a very ancient royal ritual.
The oldest known royal
child ritual is that of Sargon, and that of Moses is the most well known." So maybe Moses was
not at all a Hebrew (Israelite) but an Egyptian prince participating in a well
known cultic ceremony. Many believe that not only is he a prince, but possibly a
crown prince.
-
Yes! I have read them when they were published. Was acquainted with von Spaeth
more than 20 years ago!!! - when he had some interesting ideas about
astrological aspects in 1600 literature (e.g. Macbeth).
The "new" about von
Spaeth is that he uses contemporary star maps for dating. The other theories
have been known for some time - only not in Danish!
Whether his theories are
"acknowledged" in the "world of academic persons" is unknown. But as far as I
remember there was a minor controversy with an employee at Religion History
studies.
Under all circumstances,
encouraging reading.
Filmmaker James Cameron Finds Scientific Evidence Of Biblical "Red Sea Parting"...
Times Of London | Tony Allen-Mills | Posted August 5, 2006 09:00 PM
THE HUFFINGTON POST -
Delivering News and Opinion Since May 9, 2005.
A Hollywood twist: James Cameron, the director of Titanic,
is the executive producer of a new documentary that claims to have uncovered
fresh evidence confirming one of the most dramatic episodes in the Old
Testament -- the parting of the Red Sea and the Jewish exodus from Egypt.
In The Exodus Decoded, a
90-minute documentary, Cameron and
Simcha Jacobovici, the Canadian film producer, claim a volcanic eruption on
the Greek archipelago of Santorini triggered a chain of natural catastrophes
recorded in the Bible as the 10 plagues upon Egypt. - Comments for this post are now closed.
_
Enough already with folks trying to prove their mythology through science!!!
Grow up people, the "Hebrew scriptures" are myths and fairytales, like those
surrounding Romulus and Remus, Zeus, Santa Claus, and the tooth fairy. At some
point, we grow up and we realize our parents were lying to us... anyone who
still believes the Hebrew scriptures are anything more than a bedtime story is
an overgrown child. Let's stop taking all this "religious" nonsense seriously so
we can stop killing each other over it.
I think James Cameron should first find evidence supporting biblical claims
that the Israelites were ever slaves of the Egyptians or that Moses was a true
historical figure, so far there is none for either.
Wiki-Board.en, archived debates, 15 November
2005 - opinions:
Crackpot Egyptologist
(...the Ove von Spaeth stuff about Moses and on the stars) I smell tin foil
hattery - "Independent scientist"... he seems to have published that paper about
the dating of that star map, but the journal appears to be relatively obscure, -
clearly an
advertisement for one guy's fringe theory.
Lupo, (Sc.D., Engineer in Computer Science), - archived
debate on proposals - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Lupo - 15
November 2005 13:05 (UTC) - (15.Nov.2005)
-
Vanity. However, there may be a List of Crackpot Egyptologists or similar
that we can merge it to.
The Land, (Economist),
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:The_Land - archived debate on
proposals - 15 November 2005 15:00 (UTC) - (15.Nov.2005)
-
I can't believe you came up with a list that has not yet been created!
Guy, (Just zis Guy, you know? [T]/[C] - Guy Chapman),
http://www.chapmancentral.co.uk (W) AfD? - archived debate on
proposals - 15 November 2005 21:47 (UTC) - (15.Nov.2005)
- - - - -
NOTE (pres. webmaster) : concerning
actual Wiki initial problems of relevance, the Wiki instruction page asks to
bear with their busy staff's sometimes blunt comments. Cf. also extern comments by independent
press notices by BBC and AFP : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/5286458.stm
- & - http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20061018/tc_afp/afplifestyleinternetcompanywikicitizendium
¤
The Official Graham Hancock Website, phorum,
- October 2008 - opinions:
Is there any record of Moses in Egyptology?
grahamhancock.com
- Mysteries - for serious discussion of the controversies, approaches, and
enigmas surrounding the origins and development of the human species and of
human civilization. (NB: for more 'out there' posts we point you in the
direction of the 'Paranormal & Supernatural' Message Board.
- The Official Graham Hancock Website, - subject: Is there any record of
Moses in Egyptology?
_
legionromanes wrote: > what I'm saying martin is that you have made it abundantly clear that you have a strong personal belief attached to your religious choice that he did exist in exactly the form claimed by the bible so any evidence you supply will be worthless for the case of this discussion.
And you still completely miss the target here again.
> I finally realised this of course after you claimed that the Jewish dictionary was a fundementalist publication because it contradicted something commonly believed by
Christians.
-
and you continue, since the Jewish dictionary is not aware
of the origin of the name Moses, and actually I don't care what are contradicted
by Christians, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, or Buddhists. I'm more interested in the
many references across time and places which give some information which piece
by piece gives us a picture you will not find in the flimsy bible without
regarding the
information Ove von Spaeth has collected in his research, which I admit appeal
to my historical sense as weel as the ancient mythology where some myth actually
was of human reality as described. So if Moses was, as you say, a literal political agenda,
then he is the oldest political agenda that I know of, even how
much scholars want to claim him what ever they want.
> see any evidence you submit will be so coloured by your religious point of view to be worthless. You couldn't accept a simple dictionary defintion the last time so really this isn't a discussion about the validity of your faith but about the solid evidence that would prove Moses a reality, and lets face it, if there were any evidence no matter how flimsy then Simcha Jacobi would have cashed in on it by now.
Then Simcha Jacobi should get in touch with Ove -
and the dictionary should one day accept that Moses is an Egyptian name.
Oh Lee, thank you for saying: "It was King Josiah that ordered his priests to
write the books of Genesis and others that would form the starting Jewish
canon."
I know people who say that the only Jews were the Jews who wrote the Babylonian
Talmud! -
What you say is actually an advance for some folks. Thanks again.
Eddie Larry.
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DEBATE AND NEWS ON OVE VON SPAETH'S DATING THE OLDEST EGYPTIAN STAR MAP
¤
Message, - 16. August 2006 -
considerations:
Interesting and exciting - Moses and astronomical
history
The World-axis in the
sky is mentioned in the Moses-series' volume 1 and volume 2 of Ove von Spaeth's
Moses-series and in his e-book "Star Cults and the World-axis" - at
www.moses-egypt.net/zenith-files_en/e-books_group1_en.asp . So this I
think people would find interesting and exiting that in connection with teaching
and study about Egypt there can be taken up information about Moses and further
a trip around both the geography and the World-tree (the World-axis in the sky)
- Yggdrasil ... because a big conjunction of planets near the star Sirius
appeared in the sky, all of which was - to the amazement for modern researchers
- described very precisely so early in world history.
Apparently, there are
three special stars at the World-axis which is to be seen vertically in as a
straight line upon the star most high in the sky which is placed - i.e. the
North Star in every 12,000 year. It is the star Vega in the Lyra constellation,
being the North Star at a time when it is orientated vertically in a straight
line with our axis of the Earth. Very interesting... hu!
:: A.S. Norring Olm, - hotmail.com & post.tele - (16.aug.2006)
News- & Discussiongroups, the question about
the Pleiades and the Senmut Star-map, ancient-history, 1 December 2006 -
info:
Pleiades Constellation, Senmut's Star Map, and a
Master-work of Ove von Spaeth
Re: [ellenlloyd] re ;Star-Chart ;//EGYPTIAN STUFF
Meet great people and
participate in interesting discussions! - Access to the group is by
application. - Ellen Lloyd, Author of - Voices from
Legendary Times. - Related Link:
www.ufoarea.com/main_lloyd.html - & - Post
message: ellenlloyd@yahoogroups.com - & - List
owner: ellenlloyd-owner@yahoogroups.com
Hy Ellen et al; -
That (Egg-Evaporating Disc) in that Egyptian Star-chart is the Pleiades
Constellation according to that Senmut Star-map I forwarded to the group which
is beyond the Orion Constellation am right in the middle of a interesting
section covering most if not all those early Star-charts of Egypt could this
have been where those (Atlantian's ) species originally came from I wonder
(Try URL) - IT WILL PULL UP CHOSEN (chosenbloodseed@...>) !!!!!!!!
I also put forward a idea on that (ASCII) episode I had those many years ago
How close to the truth was it J - (The Pleiades Constellation according to the Senmut Star-map:)
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut4-history_en.asp
Hy Ellen ...Tony Mike; -
I am sorry to be such a crashing bore but that's the type of being ...I am:
The Constellation The Pleiades or (The Humids) to the Ancient Egyptians now puts that
Senmut (Star-map-chart) into the right perspective IMHO __, ._,_
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2-faq_en.asp _
The seven pointed Star refers to the Pleiades group which the A/Es five star
called "The Humids" as if there were a different language of (none human)
audio... if any !...like the earliest A/E glyphs of that era which have yet to
be found I believe ( the sacred script ) Gardiner, A.[Egyptian Grammar] shows
this How this ties in with Dr
Doug Johnstone's Evaporating Disk and the Senmut /'Humids' Star-chart is yet to
be fathomed or is the [evaporating disc] a 'mirror' image of what it might
have been (The Humids] was it closer to our system "once" ? Could it have been
a 'link' or 'transponder' that allowed a [star-gate] type of system to exist
could the Earths (Bass) link been the G/P more guesses maybe .but then isn't
most early Ancient History ...
Regards Moby
DON'T KNOW IF I SENT THIS ONE IF I DID MY APOLOGIZES CHOSEN!!!!!!!
mobydoc, - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25411 of 25450 -
Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:06 pm -
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25411 -
& - Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/ -
(1.Dec.2006)
-
It's unavailable.
paulanoone, - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25414
of 25450 - Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:11 pm -
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25414 - & -
Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/ -
(1.Dec.2006)
-
I was able to access it. - I use Firefox when
something come up unavailable I found that explorer will open it or visa
versa.
JLM <wicasa@...>
jlmbx340, - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25420 of 25450 - Fri Dec 1,
2006 8:20 pm -
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25420 -
& - Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/ -
(1.Dec.2006)
-
Pleiades , stargates and vortexs are something that are really interesting me
now,
thank you so much, -
Sandy
sandyscorp3, - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25417 of
25450 - Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:15 pm -
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25417 -
& - Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/ -
(1.Dec.2006)
-
That's the Milky Way picture in Photos - a vortex
paulanoone, - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25446 of
25451 - Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:34 pm -
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25446 - & -
Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/ -
(1.Dec.2006)
-
Re: vortexes -
http://www.angelfire.com/indie/anna_jones1/vortexes.html A vortex is a mass of energy that moves in a rotary or whirling
motion, causing a depression or vacuum at the center... These
powerful eddies of pure Earth power manifest as spiral-like coagulations of energy that are either electric, magnetic, or
electromagnetic qualities of life force."
sandyscorp3, - [ellenlloyd] Pleiades, Message #25425 of
25451 - Fri Dec 1, 2006 8:34 pm -
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/rhnegativeblood/message/25425 -
& - Ellen Lloyd's Newsgroup
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ellenlloyd/ -
(1.Dec.2006)
- - - - -
Hi to all again, - I am happy to be here, and what a synchronicity, this link in
question is to a site established by my best friend Ove von Spaeth, who had
analysed this star map ...he has written 5 wonderful books, unfortunately, in
Danish only. It is a masterpiece, all the things he has done and many things he
has been writing about. It is the first thing I
read here in this group, and so funny the world is very little, think of how
many people there are around the world, and HERE in Ellen's group, I find my
friend Ove's website have its link being accentuated - I can't believe it, LOL,
well he and I have had and have many wonderful sharings together concerning the
cosmology, anyway his articles - a number of them - have been translated in
English.
Hy Cosmaya It is a Master-work in my eyes anyway
and
would rate alongside
the works of Flinders Petrie (founder of scientific Egyptian
archaeology) ...believe me
- the archaeological world need more
Ove von Spaeth-s. - Best of regards
Hi all, - "moby" recommends - in his message of December 1st - a link
concerning the Pleiades. Unfortunately, another contributor seem to have had
trouble when connecting. The reason for this is that the ending of the
address in question should not be .esp but .asp - in
other words:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2-faq_en.asp
Constable Research BV - is a
small company in a big network and has extensive experience in business
development, communication and interactive research services.
_
About the Pleiades or How A Fool Destroyed Paradise.
My name is Hans Konstapel - and I am trying also to decrypt the Codes of Ancient Civilizations. I am getting closer
and closer to the Essentials. To find the code I have to move from civilization
to civilization and compare their Myths and Symbols. This blog is about the
Pleiades.
...
The Temple of Hathor in the ancient city of Denderah was dedicated to the
goddess of Love and the stars of Hathor: the Pleiades. A star clock in the
Temple celebrates the Pleiades, marking the greater center on which our solar
system revolves, taking 25,827.5 years to complete one cycle. ...
(cf. too:) http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut4-history_en.asp
The Map of the Temple of Hathor).
...
In Egypt, in the year 2170 BC, on the first day of spring, at precisely
midnight. the Pleiades were visible through the south passageway of The Great
pyramid. Cheops contains fascinating mathematical correlations to the Pleiades
including, the seven mystical chambers. ...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1538_BC, 21 October 2007 -
survey:
Events and trends
1530s BC (Redirected from
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1538_BC) Using Wikipedia for research.
Millennia: 2nd millennium BC
Centuries: 17th century BC - 16th century BC - 15th century BC
Decades: 1560s BC 1550s BC 1540s BC - 1530s BC - 1520s BC 1510s BC 1500s BC
Years: 1539 BC 1538 BC 1537 BC 1536 BC 1535 BC
1534 BC 1533 BC 1532 BC 1531 BC 1530 BC
Categories: Births - Deaths - State leaders - Sovereign states
Establishments - Disestablishments
[edit] Events and trends
1539 BC End of Seventeenth dynasty of Egypt, start of the Eighteenth Dynasty.
1539 BC Approximate first use of the Valley of the Kings.
1534 BC The oldest dated star chart was made in Ancient Egypt.[1]
1530 BC End of the First Dynasty of Babylon and the start of the Kassite
Dynasty see History of Iraq.
[edit] Significant people
[edit] References
- von Spaeth, Ove (2000). "Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map". Centaurus
International Magazine of the History of Mathematics, Science and Technology 42
(3): 159-179. Retrieved on 2007-10-21.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1538_BC, - Retrieved from Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia,
Categories: 1530s BC -
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1530_BC
- (21.Oct.2007)
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Discussiongroups, Antikitera.net, Il
Portale Italiano dell'Archeologia Misteriosa, 26 October 2006 -
info:
Uno studio pubblicato da Ove von Spaeth
quote:
Originally posted by Kiya - 06 October 2006 : 02:05:25 . - L'elemento che maggiormente attrae la mia attenzione č senza dubbio la
rappresentazione in un riquadro di tre stelle che potrebbero essere le tre
stelle della cintura di Orione. La particolaritą sta nel fatto che di queste, la stella centrale č circondata da tre pseudo ellissi, che realmente parrebbero tre gocce: da un lato terminano con una punta, non sono
arrotondate. Le tre punte in questione sono rivolte verso una quarta stella
che va a completare il quadro.
In tutti i libri che ho letto su questo argomento si dice che le tre stelle
della cintura di Orione sono quelle pił grandi al centro, sopra la figura umana.
Questo anche nei libri "di mistero" come "Il mistero di Orione" di Bauval e
Gilbert, "Custode della genesi" e "Lo specchio del cielo" di Hancock e altri.
Le altre tre stelle, con
la centrale circondata dalle forme ovali, potrebbero invece essere il gruppo
(sempre all'interno della costellazione di Orione) che contiene la nebulosa M42.
La stella alonata sarebbe proprio la nebulosa, che si puņ vedere anche ad occhio
nudo come una stella "sfocata". Nell'antichitą la nebulosa si doveva vedere
molto meglio di oggi, mancando l'inquinamento luminoso dovuto alle luci delle
cittą. La nebulosa M42 č quella stella pił rossa sotto la cintura di Orione.
Qui, nella sezione "downloading" si puņ scaricare il file PDF con tutto
l'articolo illustrato:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut3-treatise_en.asp
In questo articolo si parla anche di quali stelle e pianeti sono raffigurati nel
soffitto e in quale posizione, ad esempio a partire da sinistra si vede Venere
(l'uccello Benu), poi Mercurio indicato dal solo nome senza figure, poi Saturno
e Giove sulle prime due barche. L'astro pił importante č Sirio, raffigurato come
Iside. L'ultima figura umana in piedi sulla barca sarebbe Orione, sormontato
dalle tre stelle della cintura. Marte sarebbe la barca vuota a destra:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut1-mapdate_en.asp
Quel soffitto secondo l'ipotesi di Ove von Spaeth rappresenta una congiunzione
nella stessa "zona" di cielo di questi astri, avvenuta nell'aprile-maggio del
1534 a.C.
The Celestial Sphinx, website, March 2008
- recommendation:
The Celestial Hall of Records
Have you ever wondered who mapped the constellations, when and why? Come with
me to the Celestial Hall of Records and discover the 16,000 year old Celestial
Sphinx, Hu, who was the blueprint for the Sphinx at Giza. Gaze upon the face of the
Creator, the "Giver of Life in the Beginning". Learn the Lost Word. Discover the
greatest of the Lost Secrets of the remote Ancient Egyptians, including their
knowledge of Precession which they encoded into their mythology, art, and the
Narmer Plate.
he remote Ancient Egyptians mapped the constellations, discovered
Precession and invented hieroglyphs. It was they who introduced the arts and
sciences to the rest of the world.
Astronomers agree that
the Constellation of Orion is keeping the Constellation of Taurus the Bull at bay with his bow and arrows. The two long spikes above Orion's Bow are the horns
of Taurus. In Ancient Egypt Orion was known as The Soul of Osiris.
Traditionally Osiris is
considered to be the Lord of the Two Lands; Lord of the Heavens and Lord of the
Earth. He was also considered to be Lord of the Dead and in this capacity was
always represented in mummy wrappings and wearing the White Crown of Egypt. However when Orion is
examined more closely in his connection with Ancient Egypt the scene takes on a
new significance.
The White Crown is as synonymous with Ancient Egypt as is the
River Nile, the Sphinx and the Pyramids ... and the Red Crown of Ancient Egypt
enjoyed the same renown.
Egyptologists associate the White Crown with Upper
Egypt and the Red Crown with Lower Egypt due to a misinterpretation of the
Narmer Plate. They also incorrectly associate the Double Crown with the
Unification of Upper and Lower Egypt around 3200 BCE.
No other civilizations
had Red Crowns, White Crowns, Osiris beards and a Sphinx!
Remember also that in the Osiris Legend, Thoth is credited with having
introduced all the arts and sciences, including astronomy and hieroglyphs, to
the Ancient Egyptians. He was the Keeper of the Records. It was Osiris who was
the source of all Knowledge. The Ancient Egyptians
kept their Secrets well. There is really no need to look beneath the Sphinx
for the Hall of Records or the Pillar of Knowledge. We need only look up to
the heavens! The veil has been lifted. Nothing was wanting but the Key. -
Links :
Preword for translation of Tycho Brahe's poem
"Urania Titania" - 14 April:
For many years he has researched in the history of
astronomy
On the basis of
my translation/interpretation of Tycho Brahe's "Urania Titania", the ancient
horoscopes being published in this connection are historically reconstructed by
Mr. Ove von Spaeth, who for many years has been researching on the history of
astronomy. I am very grateful, not only for this great work but also for his
invaluable contribution to a better understanding the astrological texts of the
poem "Urania Titani".
Peter Zeeberg, Ph.D. in Latin language and literature, Professor at The
University of Copenhagen. - From Zeeberg's Preword in his book on the "Urania
Titania" poem of 1594 (Renaissance Studies 7, Museum Tusculanum) -
(14.Apr.4)
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Discussiongroups, Seti at Home,
February-March 2008 - opinions:
Of particular interest
What is SETI@home? SETI@home
is a scientific experiment that uses Internet-connected computers in the
Search for Extraterrestrial Intelligence (SETI). You can participate by
running a free program that downloads and analyzes radio telescope data:
http://setiathome.berkeley.edu/index.php
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Total lunar eclipse shapes up to be a spectacular moonrise (20.Feb.2008)
discussiongroups,
ahatmose2002.proboards22.com, September 2006 - info and
opinions:
Interesting that Von Spaeth suggested that the map
indicated a "specific point in time"
http://ahatmose2002.proboards22.com - « Thread Started on
Sept 6, 2006, 6:52pm » - As Above ... So Below - Was Earth formed by
accretion within Jupiter?
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Hello all adventure loving types, - Out of college I joined a design group
working on the fuel-pneumatic systems on the launch stage Saturn engines for
Apollo. That experience (as it did in many cases) turns one's eyes past the
hardware and into the beyond.
So it was that I started
to study the science of the ancient civilizations. They were not Pagan, and
their science was real. And it was not by chance that Jupiter was (Osiris) the
King; (Zeus) the ruler of Olympus; and (Jove) the patron of the Roman state.
Jupiter had that
prestigious ranking because the Ancients believed that Earth was formed by
accretion deep within this gas giant, and was born from the Great Eye.
It's not clear how the
Ancients saw the Great Eye of Jupiter (tho' we can attribute our ignorance, at
least in part, on the destruction of the great libraries of Alexandria,
Ashurbanipal, and others) --- but see it they did!
So what does this have to
do with aerospace engineering? Just this - much of our work was put into the
hardware that went into outer space - and onto new worlds. The new worlds held
secrets, but some of those secrets weren't secrets to some of the ancient
civilizations.
And that's a fact!
jb .\
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Dear JIMBOW, and ALL others : an interesting thesis, no question ! But this
theory implies the existence of an optical tool like a telescope, similar to a
so called Refractor-type telescope, to enable a person to perform an
astronomical observation of the Jupiter (Jove) with the capabiliy to recognize
enough details, including the big red eye and its characteristics, even
over a longer time. Hence the logical question is: did we find something like an old Egyptian telescope ?? or at least a strong evidence ( reliefs, wall-paintings,
papyri,.., ) for it ?? ---- difficult question, I know !
No museum did expose
something like an Egyptian telescope (refractor like ?). But some indirect
evidence for such a optical equipment may exist: the French Louvre houses some
quartz-objects of great interest in this context: quartz-made-lenses (from
Dynasty V) with a surprising optical precision.
Colored lenses of similar
quality we find as wonderful eye-inlays of the fantastic Old Kingdom (IV/V.
dynasty) statues of prince Rahotep and his wife ! Wonderful blue eyes, which
seem to follow a visitors look ! But the Louvre lenses were analyzed only some
years ago, under the topic of their optical qualities. And yes: they could have
been used for optical purposes ! for anatomy but as well for astronomy ? --- the
study was published by J. Enoch around 2002. ---
Furthermore Robert
Temple, the author of famous book, "The Sirius Mystery" is also fascinated by
the findings of old Egyptian lenses. Including those from the Old Kingdom which I mentioned above !
Last not least of very
interest are the new interpretations of the star-map in the early NK tomb of
SENENMUT, published by
OVE von
SPAETH, look here at : http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut1-mapdate_en.asp
---- enough stuff ! -- now have a nice weekend ! hope to meet You again on next
monday ! -- Regards: Bernie
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Hello Bernie and all, - jb} I found Ove von Spaeth's
Senmuts's Star Map page very interesting. I can't read the map
myself, but in reading the text we encounter words like {Mediterranean, Maya,
Pleiades, Orion, the planets, etc.,) all in association, and I know that to be
correct.
It's also interesting that
Spaeth suggested that the map indicated a
"specific point in time"; on that I agree because it's something the Ancients
would do.
Why in this living world,
on the other hand, Spaeth would include a series of responses on the subject
from the-hall-of-maat (net discussiongroup) - I cannot imagine. I also loved the choice comment by Owen Gingerich:
Quote: "... the [von Spaeth's] findingsare very ingenious
and admirable, and quite surprising considering the apparent lack of
interest of the Egyptians in this sort of astronomy ...".
Maybe it's not surprising
than to see that Gingerich is a Research Professor in (Astronomy and the History
of Science), at the Harvard-Smithsonian Institution.
Thanks for the article - and maybe I'll apply for the job of Research Professor
of Astronomy and the History of Science, at the Harvard-Smithsonian Institution.
But if I get the job,
don't look for phrases like the apparent lack of interest of the Egyptians - in
any of my work! jb .\
- - -
(NOTE, by www.moses-egypt.net:)
James Gillette also has his own informative website about "The celestial science of
the ancient Egyptians":
http://www.beforebc.com/egyptcelestialsci.html
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discussiongroups, The Ancient Near Eastern
Chronology Forum, February 2008 - opinions:
Ove von Spaeth and Senenmut's Ceiling
The Ancient Near Eastern
Chronology Forum -
http://disc.yourwebapps.com
- von Spaeth and Senenmut's Ceiling
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This is not the most comprehensive overview of the astronomical ceiling of
Senenmut but it does cite the date I have seen before [by
Ove von Spaeth],
calculated according to the "southern sky"--1534 BC.
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0801/0801.1331v1.pdf
My guess is, given that
it was Senenmut's own tomb, that this was supposed to reflect the heavens on the
day of his birth. Horoscope, so to speak. If that's so, then the following must
be taken into consideration. The tomb of Senenmut on the summit of the hill
Sheikh abd-el Gurneh was not begun until "Year 7". This tomb and the other one,
with the ceiling, in the environs of Deir el Bahri, are not mutually exclusive.
The first was probably
intended as a mortuary chapel and the one with the ceiling was Senenmut's
intended place of burial. It was the "secret one", although Dorman, for one,
believes it had royal sanction. According to portraits on ostraca, Senenmut was
far from being a youngster by Year 7.
This is the year in the
reign of Thutmose III that is traditionally accepted as the year of the
usurpation of royal titles by Hatshepsut--and also the start of her mortuary
temple, Djeser-djeseru. If one surmises that Senenmut was born in 1534 BC, he
may have been as old as 50 by Year 7. Anyway, the man is portrayed with a lot of
wrinkles. That would put Year 7 at 1484. Well,it's as useful as anything else
discussed here for chronological purposes. Alternatively, if 1534 is Year 7,
then some of T III's own astronomical data must be checked.
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Before going too far out on a limb with
von Spaeth's
dating of the Senenmut ceiling you should read Christian Leitz' rebuttal
"Remarks about the Appearance of Mars in the Tomb of Senenmut in Western Thebes"
in Centaurus 44 (2002) 140-142. - Chris
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ML: I'm sure it can't be any more detailed than Leitz's chapter on the ceiling
in his "Studien Zur Aegyptischen Astronomie" [Harrassowitz, 1989] In that he
submits the date for the ceiling as November 1462 [so a reason to
disagree with von
Spaeth]. Also, he claims there "Mars cannot be seen" at that time. Among his
arguments, Leitz more or less submits his datum by a process of elimination,
according to the accession dates of Thutmose III--high, medium and low, as he
sees them. I might have been missing something amid all the astronomy and
scholarly German, but I don't see Leitz giving a reason why November 1462 should
have been a significant month. So what does he say in the 2002 article?
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Basically, he gives a number of reasons why
von Spaeth's claimed identification of Mars cannot be right.
This is of course a
different matter from whether Leitz' own dating is right. They can't both be
right but they can both be wrong. And there may not be a date to be extracted.
- CHris
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Interesting, Marianne. Here's another Website on Senenmut's astronomical
ceiling:
http://www.anistor.gr/english/enback/v021.htm .
I don't see the connection you're making between "year 7" and the year 1534 BC,
though. I take it only that Senenmut was something like 30 years older than
Hatshepsut, nothing more. - George R.
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Nope. 1534 BC is probably the year of the birth of Hatshepsut, herself, if that
southern sky has been correctly interpreted.
It can work out. Look:
1534 Year of the birth of Hatshepsut.
1534 minus 16 = 1518 = beginning of reign of Thutmose I, already being a man
with a wife [or wives] and children when he succeeded Amenhotep I.
1518 minus 8 = 1510 = death of Thutmose I, beginning reign of Thutmose II.
1510 minus 5 = 1505 = death of Thutmose II.
1505 minus 23 = 1482 = Year 23 of Thutmose III, fitting New Moon Cycle.
This would mean that
Hatshepsut was well into middle age in Year 21 of Thutmose III, when she was
supposed to have died [or maybe was ousted]. Now, the reigns of TI and TII can
be otherwise distributed because T II only has 3 attested years. But, probably,
their entire reigns encompass 13 years, per Manetho, as I think he lumps them
together under "Chebron" or "Chebres".
Unless Hatshepsut had
been born in at least 1534 BC, the mummy that Z. Hawass touts as being hers
can't be--because it's the mummy of a woman of around 50. The mummy of T II has
been judged to be that of a man around the age of 30. If he died in 1505--he
would have had to be born sometime around 1534 BC, himself, being either older
or younger than Hatshepsut. Can T I have been married to a royal lady prior to
the death of Amenhotep I? Probably he was, as he had already been designated the
successor, with A I realizing he may never have a son. A I, some think, might
even have been gay. Were records kept of the positions of the heavenly bodies
during the months in 1534 BC? Why not?
saturniancosmology.org, The Celestial
Mechanics, Spring 2008 - info:
Recovering the Lost World
Recovering the Lost World, A Saturnian Cosmology -- Part 14: The Celestial
Mechanics:
This chapter presents the celestial mechanics I have used as background to the
narrative of this text for the period after 3114 BC. ...
Image:
A portion of the tomb
of Senmut, ca 1500 BC, Thebes. Construction halted in 1493 BC.
The central portion of one of the panels depicted the circumpolar
constellations, but, in typical Egyptian form, not very accurately, for these
were mythical objects rather than plotted stars. The long pole-like object is
the river from heaven, not the polar axis, and may represent the occasional
plume of plasma seen rising from the north polar region. The rotational center
of the sky is denoted by the figure holding a shorter pole stuck into the
mummified ox, which is Ursa Major.
The depiction does not
change significantly over the next thousand years, except the mummified ox
becomes a mummified rear leg of an ox. Ursa Minor is depicted as a plow (often
with a jackal astride) close to Ursa Major.
The standing pregnant
hippo (with a crocodile on its back) is the constellation Draco, but upside down
from our depiction, so that the two bright stars are the feet rather than the
eyes of the dragon. A hippopotamus does not have long hair, or sharp pointy
teeth. The knife-like object in her right hand, by the way, is a Nile river-bank
anchor. In later depictions Draco is clearly studded with stars so that the
identification is certain.
Depictions like this
continue periodically into the future. The mummified ox is depicted as a
standing ox in the tomb of Seti I (dated probably to 700 BC), set on a scale
being rotated by a person (god). In this later depiction the giant spike next to
the hippo takes a number of bends before landing at the rear of the ox. The
hippo's lance is the plasma plume seen in the north skies, which, as I have
noted earlier, would show a bend into the tail region of the Earth's
magnetosphere. It is not certain if the Egyptian tomb carvers knew what to make
of any of this. [note 22]
Calum 33, austarnet.com.au, 5 February 2009 -
blog :
How did Ancient Egypt knew so much about the stars
Blog - Feb 5, 2009 - The Egyptian Telescope
I suppose one of the
greatest mysteries about Ancient Egypt is how they knew so much about the stars.
Like many I had thought that it was only through visual observation.
In that case how did they
know that the Pleiades had seven stars when one is not visible? Loren may be
able to throw some light on this problem? I picked this up when reading about
Senmut's Star Map more carefully - see:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut4-history_en.asp
How too is it that the
Great Bear looks nothing like a bear yet this constellation was called 'The
Bear' by North American Indians before Columbus - and also by Greeks, and
Europeans.
The Egyptian Sun God, Ra
or Re has the same name in China and the same hieroglyph.
We then get a typical
Christian critic:
"Temple's other remarks
on theory and religion should be taken with a pinch of salt, too much is left
out for the average reader to be able make an imformed choice. This is a
difficult subject tackled in a format that makes it accessible to many, however
I feel that Temple lets himself down by his anti-historian stance and the
inclusion of too much subjective theorising."
There it is again.
Anything that could possibly harm their ingrained beliefs and they go straight
into the attack without due consideration of facts being presented to them.
I haven't read the book,
so perhaps shouldn't pre-judge. That I do so, is only because I am so used to
this kind of reaction from the religious.
NetVaerket, 9 September 1999 -
informative comment :
Von Spaeth, author and polymath - on Nostradamus
Thursday 09.09.1999
From: "Anni/Toni Haugen" <tonianni.hau@vip.cybercity.dk>
Subject: "Zenith" - Nostradamus - Ove von Spaeth
To: "Monthly magazine The Stars" <stjernerne@inet.uni2.dk>
Dear editor Arlette Gürtler, - For some time I have been involved in the
astrological mailing-list "Zenith" which Claus Houlberg recommended for
replacing the NetWork, and recently there has been presented some statements
about Nostradamus' prophecies in connection with the solar eclipse in August
this year and by which the "horror king" plays a certain role. I came to think
that Stjernerne Magazine had some
excellent articles by Ove von Spaeth on this topic at
the beginning of this year, an issue to which and I then wrote a small
contribution.
I send you a copy of this
and may, as you like, be passed over to him. If he wants to make some comments
on that, it has to be done through a member of the list. Why don't you youselves
join in? - Many friendly greetings, Toni Haugen
- (9.Sep.1999)
- - -
Dear list members, - now Nostradamus and his "horror king" went into action, the
features which should augur various accidents over our sinful heads here in the
latter part of 1999 - cf. his often quoted and interpreted quatrain 10/72: L'an mil neuf cens
nonante neuf sept mois / Du ciel viendra vn grand Roy deffraieur / Resusciter le
grand Roy d'Angolmois. / Avant apres Mars regner par bon heur.
Since there nothing
directly has "has happened", there are certainly many hell-fire prophets who
have trouble eating their words again, explain away the prophecies and must
again disentangle how theyshould be understood this time.
It might be refreshing to
remind you of what a Danish expert in several fields - Ove von Spaeth - writer
and polyhistor in areas such as archeology, ancient languages, anthropology,
astrology, religions, and many other lines. Back in February and March this year
he published on the issue in question some articles in the Monthly magazine The
Stars. People with a particularly interested in this may refer to these
articles.
Here, Ove von Spaeth is
directing our attention to the fact that Nostradamus' writings should be
interpreted in light of his occupation also as an astrologer veiling his
statements through the use of a special astro-magical language which he, from
well-known practices since antiquity, built in his texts; besides that, he used,
by the same intention, a patchwork of medieval French, Latin, Greek, and a
wealth of mixed symbols from all cultures, paraphrased names of locations etc.,
etc.
In earlier times,
according to von Spaeth, informed people immediately would know that "Roy
d'effraieur", translated as "horror king", was the same as the star
Basiliskos (Greek: 'beast of horror', 'basilisk', and also originally
'Little King') in the sky, and whose Latin name is Regulus - the only
fixstar to be located directly on the Ecliptic - 'the line of eclipses,
obscurings'.
Von Spaeth argues - and
makes probable - that the seemingly ominous prophecy really "just" means that
the solar eclipse in August 1999 marks the start of the transition from the age
of Pisces to the age of Aquarious and certainly nothing about world destruction
or the like.
And thus it presents no
rationalization in the explanatory light of hindsight.
Greetings to all.
T.H.
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discussiongroups, godlikeproductions.com, 3rd
December 2006 - infoand opinions:
The astronomical knowledge of the ancient Egyptians
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He was King David's son, and built the temple where the western wall is that Jews
pray at today. The muslem dome of the rock sits on top of Solomon's Temple
ruins, which sits on top of David's threshing floor...
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... At last we would like to state that the above information together with the
information found in our file on Zimri Lim and Hammurabi and its testimony to
the 'Benjaminites' and 'Dawidum' with respect to Saul, David and Solomon becomes
an affirmative reality to the historicity of these kings. Today's mainstream
historians, once having embarked upon an erroneous chronological path supported
by now thousands of research papers of people who have no or little knowledge of
the chronology here presented, have abandoned good historical methods.
The above mentioned
papers, as well as many other details presented at this website (i.e. the
'Peleset/Peleset' issue) provide positive evidence for the history of the people
presented in the Hebrew Scriptures, and ...
-
Cf.: "An Egyptian Star-map", - by
Ove von Spaeth, Independent Scholar, Denmark:
"... The astronomical
knowledge of the ancient Egyptians turns out to be surprisingly broader than
previously imagined. According to a new analysis, the world's oldest star-map
seems to contain information of an actual celestial event of its time. This
recent discovery uncovers the earliest exact scientific description of an
otherwise rare but not unknown celestial phenomenon.
This 3,500 year old
star-map which decorates one of the ceilings in the tomb of the great Senmut (or
Senenmut) near Luxor (Thebes), apparently demonstrates a previously unknown
aspect of the astronomical situation in Egypt around 1,500 BC. This revelation
is the result of investigations, the full report of which was published in the
International Journal of the History of Science Centaurus (Ove von Spaeth,
"Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map," vol. 42:3 (2000) : 159-179).
Senmut's Star-map.
Drawing of the northern panel: - The map's configurations, which previously have
been considered mostly as mythological displays, are now disclosed to be an
accurate depiction of a rare gathering of planets in well-defined celestial
positions. The information contained in the map refers to a specific point in
time. The re-evaluation of this and subsequent maps gives birth to new
perspectives: by introducing these new reference points in time, the appropriate
chronology for the epoch in question, which otherwise has been much disputed,
can now be dated with considerably greater precision than heretofore possible.
The well-known Egyptian
star map in question was worked out by Senmut, who was the vizier to queen
Hatshepsut and also the calendar registrar of Egypt, during the 18th dynasty
(16th c. BCE). The recently decoded material can be objectively proven, based on
modern astronomical calculations, to depict important astronomical
circumstances. It has now become clear that the map of Senmut neither depicts an
arbitrary gathering of planets in the sky nor is it a copy of a pattern
eventually made by Senmut's predecessors.
Since this stellar-map
describes a planetary conjunction (i.e. a close encounter of the planets) where
a unique pattern of the positions of the planets are concentrated within a
defined sector of the sky, it therefore contains information unmistakably
related to a fixed point in time, which it has been possible to calculate as May
1534 BCE. According to the analysis, this dating is additionally supported by
the map's record of a simultaneous solar eclipse. Modern astronomical methods
confirm this interpretation with great precision: accordingly, the map of Senmut
must be acknowledged as one of history's oldest recorded scientific
achievements.
Subsequently produced
Egyptian star-maps seem to confirm this discovery. Created under the reign of
several pharaohs, during 300 years or more after the first map, they exhibit
Senmut's principle of depicting a planetary conjunction. This seems to be a now
forgotten tradition since these younger star-maps occur only in the reign of
those pharaohs, such as Ramses II, where actual conjunctions of the relevant
type appeared in the Egyptian sky.
The study concludes as
follows: The Senmut map depicts an exceptional event in the sky. This seems to
have produced a prototype for all later pictures of similar celestial events -
but with one exception: In the first depiction, in the time of Senmut, Mars is
retrograde in the west when the other planets assemble around Sirius in the
east. - So far has been demonstrated:
1. The Senmut maps
contain a cosmological and astro-mythological expression not only as decoration
- as hitherto assumed - but also as a picture of a particular and unique
situation in the sky.
2. This
configuration of the sky can be exactly dated: 1534 BC. Furthermore one
particular day can be identified if the solar eclipse is included as indication.
In addition the star maps
may contribute to a better dating of their creator Senmut and also of the
contemporary Egyptian pharaohs - at least accurate to within a decade. ..."
(all text above: by historian Ove von Spaeth)
-
Manna is gold. Used to prolong the life. - Other causes of wonderment have been
the innumerable inscribed references to 'bread', along with the prominent
hieroglyph for 'light', found in the Shrine of the Kings. But the discovery
which caused the most bewilderment was the unearthing of something which was
identified as the enigmatic mfkzt to which the 'bread' symbolism appeared to be
related. Laying some inches deep beneath heavy flagstones in a storeroom was a
considerable supply of the finest pure white, unadulterated powder.
At the time, some
suggested that the powder could be a remnant of copper smelting but, as was
quickly pointed out, smelting does not produce white powder; it leaves a dense
black slag. Moreover, there is no supply of copper ore within miles of the
temple and the old smelting works are, in any event, apparent in the distant
valleys. Others guessed that the powder was ash from the burning of plants to
produce alkali, but there was no trace whatever of any plant residue.
For want of any other
explanation, it was determined that the white powder and the conical stones were
probably associated with some form of sacrificial rite, but again it was pointed
out that this was an Egyptian temple and animal sacrifice was not an Egyptian
practice. Moreover, despite sieving and winnowing, there were no remnants
whatever of bones or any other foreign matter to be found within the mfkzt,
which appeared for all the world like a hoard of sacred talcum-powder.
Some of the mysterious
powder was taken back to Britain for analysis and examination, but no results
were ever published. The rest was left open to the elements after 3000 years to
become a victim of the desert winds. What has become apparent, however, is that
this powder was seemingly identical to the ancient Mesopotamian fire-stone or
shem-an-na - the substance that was made into bread-cakes and used to feed the
Light-bodies of the Babylonian kings and the pharaohs of Egypt. This, of course,
explains the temple inscriptions denoting the importance of bread and light,
while the white powder (the shem-an-na) has been identified with the sacred
manna that Aaron placed in the Ark of the Covenant.
The book of Exodus
relates that the Master Craftsman who made the original shewbread for Moses in
Sinai was Bezaleel, but Bezaleel was not a baker, he was a noted goldsmith - the
very man who made the golden accoutrements for the Tabernacle and the Ark
itself. This conforms precisely with the function of the priestly Master
Craftsmen in Mesopotamia - the vulcans and metallurgists of Tubal-Cain who
manufactured the valuable shem-an-na from pure gold. As for the crucible, the
conical stones and the great array of tanks, tables and equipment which made the
Sinai temple appear more like a gigantic laboratory than a church, it emerges
that this is precisely what it was.
What Petrie had actually
found was the alchemical workshop of Akhenaten and of the numerous dynasties of
pharaohs before him - a temple laboratory where the furnace would have roared
and smoked in the production of the sacred fire-stone of the high-spin
shem-an-na. Quite suddenly, the words of Exodus begin to make sense as we read
them again with a wholly new insight:
And mount Sinai was
altogether on a smoke ... and the smoke thereof ascended as the smoke of a
furnace, and the whole mount quaked greatly.
In Exodus we read that
Moses took the Golden Calf, which the Israelites had made, and burnt it in the
fire, and ground it to a powder'. This is precisely the process of a
shem-an-na furnace and it is evident that the Egyptian priests of the
goddess Hathor had been working their fire for countless generations before the
priests of Aten became involved in the time of Moses.
The Esoteric Community - 12 April 2008
- blog, info:
Lost knowledge from ancient Egypt
The Esoteric Community -
www.thesco.org
- Lost knowledge from ancient Egypt by Theomas. The blog presents some facts
about ancient Egypt that are, as far as I know, not a part of mainstram
knowledge.
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# Lost pyramid of the Giza Plateau, hidden chambers in the Great Pyramid, the
riddle of the Sphinx, the place of the cross and the skull, and crossing the
circle. Written by Theomas, November 29 2007 / April 12, 2008:
... Another candidate for
the cross, is the heavenly cross one can create by drawing the appropriate lines
between the four Royal Stars of antiquity: Regulus (Leo), Aldebaran (Taurus),
Antares (Alpha Scorpio) and Sadelmelik (Alpha Aquarius). Thus the author, Ove von
Spaeth, writes that the four royal stars of antiquity, seen in
Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, and Aquarius were said to create a big cross in the sky.
Spaeth even claims that "Originally this knowledge (of precession - my insert)
seems to have been known to secluded cults - not least in Babylon, but also in
India and Egypt - with their teaching by the initiated groups more than anything
this included star knowledge."
Little imagination is
needed to see that the Sphinx could maybe incorporate these four starsigns,
namely a lion, a bull, a man, and a scorpion. The Sphinx thus becomes the
heavenly cross, put on the ground. Only the Scorpion seems the odd one out in
this picture. This confusion may have originated from the fact, asserted by Sir
William Drummond, that in Abraham's day Scorpio was figured as an Eagle - and
"... It has always been associated with the sign Scorpio and by the Kabalists
with the Hebrew letter Vau and the 6th Tarot Trump "The Lovers". (The Fixed
Stars and Constellations in Astrology, Vivian E. Robson 1923). ..." - See
http://users.winshop.com.au/annew/Aquila.html , and also the
book "Genesis of the Cosmos", by Paul A. Laviolette. For a different view of the
possible meaning of the four royal stars, look here.
I am aware that the
traditional view of the Sphinx is that it depicts a Lion, with a mans head. No
Bull, and no wings. However, Dr. Ramses Seleem, writes on page 25 of his
illustrated edition of the Egyptian Book of the Dead, that the Sphinx, Horus,
indeed has the neck of a bull.
It's been a fantastic
reading - and inspiring in the same time. And it has activated some thoughts.
You write very much about Bernard de Clairvaux, the Cistercians, and the Knights
Templar - really exciting and excellent. In a couple years of my early studies,
I worked a lot with Danish medieval history. I later wrote an academic thesis
with a background in studies of ancient German writer Helmold and a lost
chronicle on Denmark as models for part of Saxo's history writing, the "Gesta Danorum". I managed to actually reconstruct substantial parts of the lost
chronicle through reading Helmold and Saxo.
During the research I
have - I think - basically worked through everything about Archbishop Eskil. At
Lund University, (Eskil and his family were in particular associated the Lund
Cathedral) throughout 1920's and until after the 2nd World War II, a
concentrated research took place about not least Archbishop Eskil - with the
two brothers Weibull as the key researchers.
We know that Eskil for
many years was actually sparring partner - some claiming: advisor - to Bernard
de Clairvaux. Notably it is argued in the scientific community with great
strength that the "two swords' theory" is directly designed by Eskil and put
into the world of Bernard. We also know that Eskil was one of the strongest
defenders of the spread of the Cistercians in Northern Europe.
We also know that when
Eskil was allowed, completely unheard of, by contemporary arrangement to retire
as Archbishop - normally nobody was allowed to do so but was archbishop until
their death. Permission to withdraw was granted by Pope Alexander d. 3rd!, and
then Eskil left Scandinavia - after 40 years as archbishop - and went to one of
the Cistercian monasteries which Bernard had created, and here Eskil remained
for the rest of his life.
In Danish history
research the view is that Eskil felt squeezed out of Denmark especially in the
wake of the power struggle which ended in 1157 with Waldemar (the Great)'s
ultimate takeover. Eskil had later as Bishop of Roskilde spent a lot of effort
to fight the knight and king candidate Knud Lavard and this knight's family of
the name Hvide ('white'), because this branch of the royal power wanted equal
position between king-and-church while Eskil, see the "two swords theory,
considered the church being positioned above the king.
Currently there is a
great interest in the Crusades and the Knights - and not least the Knights
Templar. They are even part of the Harry Potter genre and in Dan Brown's crime
storys. Movies are produced on the issues. I do not suggest, of course, that you
cross Dan Brown's path. For his books are fiction. However, I know that you are
first and foremost researcher, scientist, so I can only wish that your amazing
knowledge of a high degree of value to us all will be disseminated in much wider
circles, both in Denmark and internationally.
Jens Jorgensen, B.A. historian, author, former rector -
Slagelse City Council, - (10.Feb.2010)
Creation Marks Time Slowly, June 2008 -
collection:
Astronomical lines of sight - and axes of the
temples
The Mystery About the Senmut Star Map, - Senmut presents an entire celestial
system for the first time.
Ancient star knowledge included
astronomy, astrology, and chronometry, and in the past it was an especially
important subject in knowledge. A characteristic Egyptian version of this
celestial knowledge was in use long before a specific expressed Babylonian
astrology was taken up openly in Egypt.
In the Karnak/Thebes temple
already at an early stage, an observatory was placed on top of the sanctuary of
Khonsu, the Moon god-son. And from most ancient times astronomical lines of
sight were used in planning the axes of the temples. ...
The World-axis stretching
from the Canopus Star via the Sirius Star up to Vega in the constellation Lyra,
the sky's three most bright stars and they appear on a perfect, straight line.
To compare with the Senmut map's axis - a cosmic factor thus resembling the
obelisk symbolism presented in the Egyptian creation myth.
The above text - source:
Ove von Spaeth's work, "The
Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter". (Also, cf.:
Ove von
Spaeth's text on website: "World-axis and Ancient Sky")
Publishers who want to publish Ove von
Spaeth's books as editions in English, German, Spanish, French,
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A special treasure of knowledge and wisdom
of Greece, Rome, and the Renaissance had originated in Ancient Egypt -
and was here known to connect also with the historical Moses' dramatic
fate and mystery.
Ove von Spaeth has
written an intriguing, new-orientating work presenting this still
influential background of our civilization. • His interdisciplinary
research on history, archaeology, and anthropology goes deeply into
Egyptian tradition, history of religion, initiation cults, star-knowledge,
and mythology - relating to biblical studies, the Rabbinical Writings,
and the authors of Antiquity. • Each volume offers unique insights not
presented before.
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