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¤ Mail, 7 July 2007  -  opinion:
The Project - concise, trustworthy, and exciting

Interesting that the stucture of your project is presented in public. I find the description of your project very good.
          Here we can all take part, it is not made for university professors - had it been so, there might always be somebody who typically would like to think that it did not fulfil certain criteria for university usability. I find that everything is presented in a concise, trustworthy, excellent, and exciting way - right from the core of the project and out in all branches.
          It is ALWAYS possible to write and edit such texts in another way - this is one way. And it is a good one!

Bjørn Andersen, MA in literature and linguistics, Lecturer at the University of Copenhagen, Journalist DJF, former Editor of programmes at Danish National Broadcast and Television, - biorn@mail.dk  -  (5.Jul.2007)

       
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¤ Mail, 4 July 2007  -  opinion:
Confirming your theories

Eventually I have been acquainted with an increasing amount of archaeological discoveries from all over the world concerning star observatory sites of the past and other star related finds.
          This is exciting, and I thought that the many findings probably (more or less) confirmed your theories - at least the principle that the sky and the observation of it played a far more important role than normally believed so far. (ed.note: see Ove von Spaeth's articles in Zenith files).
          I have also read the very informative article in the "Ingenioeren" (of 16.Feb.2007, The Engineer Magazine) about the cause of Tycho Brahe's death. However, I find that your written language is much better than that of the article. Still, the article is good, only too bad that you did not write it. If you had been the writer, it would have been more subtle and would have encouraged to religious, scientific, and epistemological reflections.

L. Steen Larsen, Philosophy Graduate in religion history, Candidate for the doctorate at the University of Lund, - llsteen@...  -  (4.Jul.2007)

¤ Mail, 1 July 2007  -  opinion:
On the Zenith Project - an excellent Document

I have been able to follow your authorship for some years. Recently I have also seen the summary of your works and the related activities, and with the greatest interest I have read about your project (the Zenith Project) - now eventually presented in a complete, written pattern.
          This summary was very much wanted!
          And it is excellent. It is distinct. It is concise. It provides the relevant information about the project - e.g. I found it exciting to read about the interest shown by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and about English translations, etc. Wonderful!
          In fact, the reader who decides to study your project will need all of it, and it is supported very well of the carefulness behind the line, the style, and the phraseology.

          Your works present so much and deserve a wide distribution - and therefore the summary of the project is a fine tool. Again and again I have been able to nod my acquaintance concerning the factual information presented to me gradually in the individual parts of the project. It is important that the summary here defines the major elements - it is an excellent document.
         And the introduction - your intermediate paragraphs about arrangement and perspective are very good and as always exciting and interesting to read - and are in absolute accordance with the best working methods used today, e.g. at universities.

          Also - going into details interesting for me - the Moses phrase: Thou shalt love thy neighbour. The traditional Christian message is that thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. The addition gives room for interpretations. A fine reminder, because you have already written about this in various ways in both volume 4 and 5 - and the Moses wording is straight. To me it is interesting that this wording has frequently been attributed to Socrates - which in fact means Plato - thus in the abbreviated form, thou shalt love thy neighbour.

Jens Jørgensen, MA Historian, Writer, former Headmaster, - Town Councilor, City Council of Slagelse, Denmark  - (6.Jun.2007).

(Ed.note: The page about the Zenith Project mentioned by Jens Jørgensen can be found here: www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/moses_project_en.asp)

¤ professor Erik Iversen, dr.phil.hc., Egyptologist, - zoominfo.com, 22 March 2007 - reference:
The deep roots of 'Corpus Hermeticum'

Erik Iversen; Professor; employment Egyptology; (formerly) University of Copenhagen. Headquarters Address: Website: www.ku.dk
Web References:  1.  www.moses-egypt.net, - www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/moses_survey_en.asp - Published on: 9/22/2006

          A recommendable scientific work about Egyptology and the European understanding of - and the influence from - the ancient Egypt, is "The Myth of Egypt and Its Hieroglyphs" (1961) by the Danish authority of Egyptology, Erik Iversen, Ph.D.,h.c., Professor, formerly also at The University of Copenhagen. This book was independently recommended and reprinted by the Princeton University (Princeton U.P. 1993).
          And finally, "Egyptian Hermetic Doctrine" (Tusculanum, Copenhagen, 1984), a unique treatise by Erik Iversen, which demonstrates the deep roots of "Corpus Hermeticum" in Egyptian history more than 4,000 years ago.
          Web References:  2 . www.moses-egypt.net, - www.moses-egypt.net/book2/moses2-inform_en.asp - Published on: 9/22/2006

zoominfo.com, -  http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=149501714   -  (22.Mar.2007)


ed.note, concerning "Corpus Hermeticum": - also, see especially:
www.moses-egypt.net/book4/moses4-inform_en.asp

¤ Interest Group for The Ove von Spaeth Papers, - 25 January 2009  -  info: 
A masterpiece

Interest Group for The Ove von Spaeth Papers - http://www.facebook.com

                    Ulla Runchel (Spain) wrote - at 9:07pm on January 25th, 2009    - Hi Friends,
Ove von Spaeth's 5 books on the historical Moses is a MUST to have, I can recommend all of them. Ove has created a masterpiece, he is modest and humble and has a HUGE kind of wisdom.
Ulla Runchel/writer-Spain.

Ulla Runchel, Spain - Futurologist, Researcher, Writer, - www.forvandlingskuglen.webbyen.dk -
gid=45399163234#/group.php?gid=37417830597  -  (25.Jan.2009)

 
¤ Finding a publisher  -  18 October2010  -  request:
The books on Moses, in English?

Hi, do you have Ove von Spaeth's books in English, and what price with shipping to Australia please.- thank you,
          Neena*, - Tuesday, October 12, 2010 2:52 PM - neena@  -  (12.Oct.2010)
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Thanks for the interest. Unfortunately, there is a time problem. The books are in the process of being translated into English. And we have found no British or American publisher yet. Who would like to bring them out in the bigger world?
          Ove von Spaeth, - Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 1:52 AM, - moses-egypt.net  -  (14.Oct.2010)
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Thank you, please let me know when they are available. This is important to us and makes a lot a sense. Amid other things I am a past life therapist, and we have seen things regarding Hatshepsut.
          Also if you could please foward this to the author, as this is something that could be of interest, if he has not already discovered it. Sir Lawrence Gardner, who was the royal genealogist for the 33 major Royal Houses of Europe, made some extraordinary discoveries, that are not part of the History we are told. Amid these, in one of his books, Genesis of the Grail Kings, he states that Moses brother, Aaron, was Pharaoh Smenkhkare, the father of Princess Scoti. Scotland is named after her, (this is in the official Scottish records) and she left Egypt with fleets of ships to settle 'the Emerald Isles', Wales, Ireland and Scotland.
          In appreciation, - please let me know when English is available,
          Neena Scott*, - Monday, October 18, 2010 10:19 AM -  - neena@  -  (18.Oct.2010)

¤ Education Directory - search results for 'Egypt History',  6 May 2007  -  survey:
The book-series 'Assassinating Moses'

http://www.education-dir.com  -  Education Directory  -  learning and educational resources.
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Search results for "Egypt History": 36100000 sites. - Education Directory Search:
          Category: 24799835.  Egypt Directory - American Research Center in Egypt (ARCE) ... on Egyptian history and culture, foster broader knowledge about Egypt among the ...
          Category: 24799836.  On History: The Egyptian Star Map and Moses - Data concerning Ove von Spaeth's book-series 'Assassinating Moses' - and the ... behind Moses' role in the history of Egypt and the Hebrew people - is extremely ...
          Category: 24799837.  Ancient Egypt - British Museum in Egypt. Daily Life-History 101-Added May, 2003 ... Life in Ancient Egypt. Maps. Maps-History 101. Military Caste. Modern Day Mummies-BBC-May, ... 

Education Directory, - Education Directory - learning and educational resources -  http://www.education-dir.com/main/index.php?page=2479983&cmd=1&ss=Egypt%20History&rpp=10&hidesummary=0&PHPSESSID=a193e74efcfdeb8b5df0e14a7938265e -  (6.May.2007)

       
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¤ Mysteries of Egypt, August 2007  -  reference:
The critical investigation done by Ove von Spaeth

Identity Experts and Pharaoh's First-borne
Advanced computer technique used in connection with investigation of criminal cases, in which identity experts are able to reconstruct a face on the basis of the scull of the victim, can also be used to throw new light on some of the mysteries of ancient Egypt.
          According to the Bible the stubborn Pharaoh allowed only after the ten plagues that Moses left with his people. It was the last plague that made him give up his resistance, because "God made the first borne of pharaoh die."
          Kent Weeks, the Egyptologist, has worked in the KV5 tomb since the 1980's, when it became part of the "Theban Mapping Project", and in 1995 his team had a break-through in their research, when they discovered that many tombs existed in the underground. In these, they found inscriptions and images documenting how pharaoh Ramses II and his sons had lived.
          The measurements of a scull compared with other medico-legal issues from the pharaonic tomb where the scull was found, made Kent Week conclude that the face belonged to Amun-her-Khepeshefs, who according to many historians is identical with "the first borne of the Pharaoh" - and therefore it had to be the person mentioned in the "Exodus" (e.g. according to a television documentary of Discovery Channel).

Ove von Spaeth's Research
However, before we take a closer look at Kent Week's observations, it is relevant to point out that Ove von Spaeth, the Danish historian and interdisciplinary researcher, in his book series, "Assassinating Moses", has pointed to an error, which apparently is still guiding the thoughts of both theologians and archaeologists. (source reference: Ove von Spaeth's series "Assassinating Moses" of 5 volumes, and www.moses-egypt.net).
          A general assumption is that Moses lived during the reign of Ramses II. Ove von Spaeth's critical investigation discloses something else, however.
          In an attempt to place Moses and the Exodus in a historical context, researchers started with the biblical mentioning of two cities in the Nile delta, i.e. Ra'am'ses (Rameses) and Pi'tom. Ra'am'ses was assumed to be the city in which the Israelites were slave labourers, and named after Pharaoh Ramses II, in the years of 1200 BC. Note, however, that as in many other cases such guesses were accepted as historical facts despite the lack of evidences. But modern analysis methods disclose that the cities are considerably older than originally assumed, and thus there is no basis for believing that Ramses II was the builder.
          Ca. 150 ago Egyptologists tried to date Ramses II, and at that time it was believed that he lived and ruled in the years of 1500 BC. Later it was proved that the dating was based on insufficient material, because it was now possible to document that the dating of Ramses II was placed approx. 300 years too early. However, the idea that Moses lived simultaneously with Ramses II was so common that it was uncritically accepted to move Moses to be contemporary with Ramses. Therefore, Moses was erroneously placed in the years around 1200 BC, thus together with Ramses II.
          When a misunderstanding is repeated again and again by many researchers and mentioned in many treatises and books, it is eventually understood as an indisputable truth - and the research is stuck.
          Undauntedly, traces of Moses were searched for in the wrong century, and obviously nothing was found. If there is a historical truth in the biblical narrative about Moses and the statement that "God killed the first-borne of pharaoh", this was not in any case the first-borne of Ramses II.

Egyptenrejser.dk - Esoteric Egyptology, level: Beginner, Mysteries of Egypt - articles about Egypt - Kings & Queens - Ramses the Second , - http://www.egyptenrejser.dk/a-279-3/  - (August,2007)

¤ lenortancred.com, Lènor Tancred, September 2007  -  references:
Interesting historical information

lenortancred.com Lènor Tancred, author and journalist,
          ... Lènor Tancred was born in Pretoria, South Africa in 1948. After obtaining a B.A. degree in languages at the University of Pretoria, she studied at the Universita per Straneri in Perugia, Italy in 1973. - Lènor Tancred is best described as an "Autonomous Being". An anarchist in the classical sense of the word according to Robert Paul Wolff in his treatise, In Defence of Anarchism. (Harper Torchbooks 1970) ... Claiming kinship with Kipling's "insatiably curious elephant child". Lènor Tancred is a person who questions everything - essential when doing research. - Her interests include art, music, the theatre, art films, horse riding, quantum and astro physics. ...

          www.lenortancred.com/herderprince.html   - "The Herder Prince", by Lènor Tancred, - This is not an historical account of the life of Moses or a factual report of the Exodus of the Children of Israel from Egypt but a work of fiction which focuses on the political implications of two contenders to a throne and the age-old machinations of politicians. ... The author scrutinizes historically accepted Judaeo-Christian perceptions and interpretations of certain events. By not questioning the actions or doctrines – political or religious - of their leaders, people accept and live in bondage.

Lènor Tancred recommends: LINKS:
The Cathars & Albigensian Crusade
          www.languedoc-france.info/12_cathars.htm   - An excellent site with a wealth of information about the Cathars belief system & their presence in Languedoc.
          http://xenophongroup.com/montjoie/albigens.htm   - Informative page about the Cathars and the string of crusades against them.
          www.cathar.info/cathars.htm   Concise information about the Cathars and Montsegur, the last stronghold of the Cathars, as well as early Christian mysteries of the Languedoc.
          www.russianbooks.org/montsegur/montsegur1.htm   - Great historical information about the Cathars and the siege and fall of Montsegur.

The life of Moses
          www.moses-egypt.net/   - The Danish author Ove von Spaeth have published 5 books about the life of Moses as a historical figure based on historical texts and archaeological finds from Egypt. The website contains some interesting historical information as well a long bibliography about Moses.

Lènor Tancred, author and journalist, Pretoria, South Africa, - info@lenortancred....  -  http://www.lenortancred.com/links.html  -  (September,2007)

"The Herder Prince", by Lènor Tancred: https://www.2checkout.com/checkout/purchase?PTCOID=e1e56538e82126a83f4b86f9baa2dfab&sid=1264530&quantity
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¤ TheologyWeb Campus, Screwballs, 17 October 2007  -  discussion:
Some Danish researcher - looks like Moses-Pagan copycat stuff

TheologyWeb Campus »  Screwballs October 2007
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Originally posted by JPH email. - Reader nominations

*First:
http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1284612.aspx
          - When arguing about the morality of the Canaanite wars, I asked what fightingistheonlyway would do if there was a modern nation that behaved as the Canaanites did. After much gyrating, he said that he would use sanctions, followed by force. When I pointed out that a nation that raided other nations for fun would ignore sanctions (I haven't pointed out that sanctions didn't exist in the ancient world), and asked about the extent of his use of force, he said:
          "... no country can "ignore sanctions", it destroys economy, and unless they can self sustain, they are screwed. North Korea can self sustain, Iran is still trading with everyone but UK and US. and with all this technology that we have, i would not go on the offensive, i would take out the leader, and anyone associated with him that would go down that path. ..."
          Spot the contradictions. 2 in a minute will win you a brain. XD

*Second:
http://www.useless-knowledge.com/123...rticle430.html
          - scroll to about the middle of the page (look at April 16,1699; July 27,1258, and August 19, 1157) this guy thinks that Raamses is King Solomon.

http://www.moses-egypt.net
          - by some Danish researcher. Looks like Moses-Pagan copycat stuff.

*And, to close for the weekend, a screwy email:
          - i was reading a bit of your website and i was wondering why you are so hard on l.ray smith. down through the centuries things have be added to and subtracted from the Bible. words have been changed from the orginal greek and hebrew. the catholics have kept things out of the Bible. they have even added to their Bibles. i don't see how in the world a person of today can think the Bible of today is the same Bible of centuries ago. think about it and do some hard praying and searching. there are more and more men of God thinking the same way as l.ray smith. just to name a couple is carlton pearson and gary almarault (sp) and not to mention louis abbott. look up the history of the king james version. old james wanted a Bible with his name of it and he changed things and he was a homosexual. - The (apparently people don't know that in King James' country, the book isn't called the King James Version -- that's the American name for the Authorised Version). Curtmudgeon

The Curtmudgeon, - Male | Christian | Conservative  -  TheologyWeb Campus
Join Date: January 28th, 2003 - Post: #39, Re: October 2007 Screwballs - October 8th 2007, 09:46 AM - www.theologyweb.com/campus/showthread.php?t=102350&page=3  - (8.Oct.2007)

       
Sidetop
¤ People in History - Moses, autumn 2007  -  references:
People in History - New data concerning Moses

happycappy.tag.winzy.com - Moses.  - Web Results 1-10 of 10,050,000 for Moses Powered By Ask.com
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*Moses - People in History
Strongs Greek and Hebrew Dictionary - Unger's Bible Dictionary - Nelsons Bible Dictionary - International Standard Bible Encyclopedia - - -
Rawlinson, Moses: His Life and Times (1887); M. G. Kyle, Moses and the Monuments (1912); F. B. Meyer, Moses: The Servant of God (1953);
http://www.bible-history.com/resource/ph_moses.htm

*New data concerning Moses as a historical person is based on Ove von Spaeth's inter-scientifical research in history, egyptology, theology, ...
http://www.moses-egypt.net

*Moses - Timeline of Moses' Life
Moses is adopted by Pharaoh?s daughter and educated in Egyptian wisdom; ... Moses tends sheep for Jethro for 40 years; ...
http://www.commandmentsofyhwh.org/Exodus/moses.htm

*A-D Scenes from the Life of Moses
Christus Rex et Redemptor Mundi, - a private, non-profit organization and its Executive Director Michael Olteanu   (presents:)    A - Moses's Journey into Egypt : Panel view - 318K ... A - Moses's Journey into Egypt : Left view - 117K ... 
http://www.christusrex.org/www1/sistine/A-Moses.html

*The Life of Moses Exodus 2:1-2
Moses means "to draw out " or "extraction . ... Family background ... Moses was just like most of us. God called and Moses made excuses to Him that he couldn?t ...
http://www.brandonweb.com/gbt/sermonpages/exodus2.htm

happycappy.tag.winzy.com, - http://happycappy.tag.winzy.com/Moses  -  (autumn,2007)

¤ VisdomsNettet's newsletter, per. 1st July 2008  -  references: 
Alchemy's Mystery and the Golden Calf

http://www.visdomsnettet.dk  - topic: New articles for July
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New article on Visdomsnettet: "Alchemy's Mystery and the Golden Calf", by Ove von Spaeth:
Why Moses instructed the Israelites to drink water containing gold powder from the mysterious Golden Calf which was made of the Egyptian's gold? A deeper knowledge of such conditions is seen associated with the 'Egyptian wisdom gold' which Moses brought out of Egypt.
          Great scientists as astronomer Tycho Brahe and mathematician Isaac Newton were also highly occupied with astrology and alchemy. Tycho Brahe wrote that he has spent equally much time with the stars as with the alchemy, which he called 'the earthly astronomy' - this special art of science which Newton later cultivated intensively.
          In Denmark, King Christian IV, had an alchmist employed as his coin master - with the workshop in a pavilion in the park of the king's Rosenborg Castle at Copenhagen.
          Hans Christian Andersen wrote a short story, "Valdemar Daae and his daughters," about a alchemist's unfortunate course. Andersen's friend, the Danish pharmacist Hans Christian Orsted, was the great discoverer of elektromagnetism - an important step in the view of the same Dr. Orsted's academic teacher was also a alchemist.
           Carl G. Jung explored the world of dreams, mythology, world religions, the Far Eastern and the Western philosophies and the alchemy, as well as astrology, sociology, literature and arts. Among his most notable contributions there are here included his concept of the Jungian archetypology, the collective unconscious, and his theory of synchronicitet.
          Direct link to the article:  http://www.visdomsnettet.dk/a-483/
          Direct link to English version of Ove von Spaeth's article:  http://www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/ovs_related-articles-a_en.asp

VisdomsNettet.dk, - VisdomsNettet's newsletter for July 2008, - (1.Jul.2008)

       
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¤ siqintelligens.dk, May 2007  -  recommendation:
The wisdom of Buddha and of ancient Egypt

Welcome to the knowledge about SIQ® Spiritual Intelligence - A new-oriented concept developed on the theory: All that we are is the result of what we have thought. The mind is everything. What we think, we become. We find this also in ancient Buddha-learning.
See more about the SIQ Institute: www.siqintelligens.dk

Links - in addition, you may look into some of these:
www.flowinstitute.dk  - Institute for development, research, and propagation on flow.
www.moses-egypt.net  - Research in The wisdom of ancient Egypt.
www.johnnyejberg.dk/  - Physics and Metaphysics.
www.thirax.dk  - Portal with collection of articles. Contents: Advanced spiritual and historical knowledge.

Merete Gundersen, SIQ-therapist, author, lecturer, manager of the SIQ Institute - http://www.siqintelligens.dk/index.php?pid=160  -  (May,2007)

¤ Flix.dk, News & Archives, 13 January 2006  -  extracts from OvS's featuring article: 
When Regarding as Permanent What is Actually Flowing
By  OVE VON SPAETH


During all times the oldest part of the Bible had a firm connection to Moses, but when from special schools research is carried out we can often observe some consequences of a peculiar procedure within the fields of history of religions, theology, and Egyptology.


When a superior pattern is found

From its beginning the oldest part of the Bible had a firm connection with Moses but when certain schools with their special policy for these studies are carrying out research we can often observe some consequences of a peculiar procedure within the fields of history of religions, theology, and Egyptology.
          It is often disregarded that the historical influential and advanced pioneer, Moses, had a genuine Egyptian background - a past all of which is documented in many details by the ancient Rabbinical Writings and by the historians of antiquity.
          When such conditions were analysed it disclosed a surprising opposition from many researchers with an often grotesque intolerance even to fact that the problem is brought into really new light.
          Within all research it is quite normal that many present scientific ideas or "decisions" later prove to be illusions - partly or completely. Especially the quantum physics knowledge had made this definitely clear to us. When a pattern has been found to be well-fitting - it will only be well-fitting until the appearance of exceptions. And these exceptions can then be explained when - by means of later appearing knowledge - a superior pattern is found. Still, this is the phenomenology which, unfortunately, is so hard for many to accept.

          It was fatal to the study of the Bible's specific information about Moses that the academic hypotheses (often from philological research) as to how the biblical texts were created were developed prior to the scientific archaeological excavations, analyses, and conclusive findings. As a consequence this unfortunate starting point led in an increasingly mistaken direction.
Many researchers adopted the attitude that Abraham and Moses are pure fiction, the exodus never happened - and most of the Bible consist of fictional, national-ideological narratives set in a "patchwork" of religious backgrounds - everything claimed to have been invented by the priests ca. 300 BC.
          Even Buddha was called a myth - and everybody had to believe this just because some scholars said so. But it was actually proved wrong in 1890’s when the Buddha's disappeared hometown, Kapilavastu, in notherne India was found by German archaeologist in British service, the Pali- and Sanskrit-learned Dr. Alois Anton Fuhrer. The city's surrounding mountains were described in ancient Pali manuscripts, Theragatha. Fuhrer also in the same district found Buddha’s birthplace, Lumbini, and here King Asoka's famous pillar and its affirmative Buddhist inscriptions, - a pillar with a horse figure on top, as described by visiting Chinese monks, Fa-Hien and Hieun Tsing, just 200 years after Buddha.


Science - not a fixed concept but a gradual process

New information found by scientific investigations may be impeded by the irrational reaction of some researchers - sometimes even by anger, anxiety, and defensive actions. In this way such people in question create a distance to more appropriate, scientific counter-argumentations and analytic criticism. They concentrate mainly on defending what they believe they know and prefer to neglect what they do not know so much about (which in fact could have been the goal of their research).
          At other times, much fortunately, it could raise the curiosity because a wrong track also may constitute a useful base to - after making a necessary change - expand the knowledge.
On the other hand, it is often seen that if a researcher makes a discovery in an unexpected way then a fine result may risk a bureaucratic refusal only because some old special rule were not taken into use. But are the rules elevated to law of nature - instead of being agreed upon merely as practical guide lines? Well-produced results by archaeological finds should not be turned down only because an untraditional instrument/method is used.

          A classical example is that Schliemann was very much criticized for his discovery of the ancient city of Troy when he followed Homer's geographical descriptions of the site, although Homer's texts hitherto was mostly considered to be myths only.
          A barrier exists when we see scientists' defensive actions for protecting outdated knowledge might turn into a bizarre condemn of new steps, such steps which otherwise could have lead to further developments. But the task of a scientific researcher has never been to condemn but to explain.
          Certain schools of science and lines of study, not only in the fields concerning history, Egyptology, theology etc., should have to look forward to realize the constructive fact that science is a gradual process being run by currently disagreement.


Research and independence - in everybody's interest

Once the independent researcher often had better times - from the 16th century's scientific revolutionaries till the 19th century's self-financing gentlemen scientists. Present science, however, involves many researchers to be seen in the role as one-sided bookkeeping commissars who stick to what is familiar and often aiming at business.
          This is mirrored in American newspapers when the experts, who have contributed in the articles, are being announced also with a declaration of their financial interests. Thus, it is in everybody's interest that potential bias, either concerning business, prestige or even an avoided challenge, should be shown openly.
          Research will decrease the more it is guided in order to find confirmation of present thinking and institutionalized perceptions - instead of challenging the ideas and opinions.
But also researchers themselves should have to refrain from the tendency of canonizing science, - scientists are not gods and are not meant to dictate a world perception or to be celebrated for defending what is established. If such a procedure should be considered to have anything to do with science a very alternative idea of science has to be required. But what is real science for, if not for getting wiser?

          Already in the ancient Rabbinical Writings - according to S. Baring-Gould's text collection in his "Legends of Old Testament Characters from The Talmud" (Vol. II, London 1871, p. 78) - it is stated about the high education of the young Moses at the pharaonic court that he was too wise
                    "... to regard as permanent what he knew to be flowing. ..."
          Skilful research work at universities and scientific institutions is essential and indispensable. However, independent researchers often benefit from operating with unconventional points of view.
          My favourite researchers are Tycho Brahe, Darwin, Albert Einstein and Schliemann, none of whom originally had from the beginning a thorough academic scientific training or support, and yet they invented new ground-breaking scientific methods and, through their pioneering research, made discoveries and inventions decisive to history and mankind.
          Research results are, of course, only provisional - in practice, never static. We may note - thus, by an example from the science of geology - that in the 1980's there was (based on impressing computing methods and latest technology) the fear of a new ice age, and only ten years later there was the fear of a new period of overheating should arrive.

          Likewise, in archaeology and history, around 2004, because of the surprising findings (a fine curved 11,000 years old stone staircase in a base of a tower near the Red Sea) the researchers in question now had to re-write an important part of early Near East history.
          So far, research had not wanted to date similar things to be that early, because a kind of dictatorial consensus exists claiming that ancient people at this early stage not had begun cultivating the land. In other words, the not untypical tendency to do research in a way that the historical-archaeological findings must be adapted to a theory and not vice versa. Here a new approach is really needed to such cases.


Unconventional background as an asset

Sometimes so-called experts also offered harsh opposition to research not carried out by their own circles. When photographer and drawer Howard Carter, against the advice of Egyptologists, sought for - and found - the tomb of Tutankhamon, the richest tomb finding in history, he was for a long time not recognized properly by many Egyptologists.
          Among other researchers with an unorthodox background, for instance among philosophers, many distinguish persons can be mentioned:  Descartes, who was a mercenary (already, ancient Greek philosophers Socrates and Xenophon were soldiers famous for their courage and stamina), or Spinoza, the lens crafter, and Humes, the primary enemy of the values of philosophy presented by universities.

          Regarding other important people with an unorthodox background, for instance among philosophers, we should mention Descartes, who was a mercenary (already, ancient Greek philosophers Socrates and Xenophon were soldiers famous for their courage and stamina), or Spinoza, the lens crafter, and Humes, the primary enemy of the values of philosophy presented by the universities.
          Even Louis Pasteur, one of greatest pioneers in medical history, had no medical exam and degree - and his discovery of bacteriologic existence was contrary to doctors' ideas of thousand years.
          The basis of good research is curiosity - this requires openness to new ideas inclusive those which initially may look like odd ideas. Actually, considerable numbers of our genuinely ground-breaking discoveries are the results of extensive studies based on erroneous assumptions.
          To achieve advance in knowledge and progress in actions through systematically controlled observation of experience should be more put into practice within those lines of the Humanities which are mostly dealing with theories and consensus. We will look forward to a still better understanding and compliance of the true principles of genuine science.

Ove von Spaeth, writer, researcher,  - copyright © 2005  -  www.moses-egypt.net  - extracts from his featuring article, "When Regarding as Permanent What is Actually Flowing"  http://www.flix.dk: News & Archives  -  (13.Jan.2006)

¤ searching.uk.com, October2007  -  references:
What Did Moses Believe in?

searching.uk.com  Moses' religion. Are you looking for What Did Moses Believe in?
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5.  BBC - Religion & Ethics - Moses: Evidence - the Exodus
The father of the Jewish people who received the Ten Commandments ... Other religions " Messageboards. Have your say on the Religion & Ethics Message Boards " ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/judaism/history/moses_4.shtml

6. The Freud Museum, London - Education & Public Programme - Freud and Religion
We had assumed that the religion of Moses was to begin with rejected and half-forgotten and that afterwards broke through as a tradition. ...
http://www.freud.org.uk/religion9.html

8. Assassinating Moses, Vol. 5: Reviews
... von Spaeth's research on the historical Moses is renewing our picture of this ... The Moses religion was naturally marked also by features of the past, but an ...
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book5/moses5-reviews_en.asp

9. London Review Bookshop - Religion: - The Five Books of Moses: A Translation with Commentary
James Wood writes: Robert Alter brings kind of sensitivity to bear on moment after moment of his translation, and the result greatly refreshes, ...
http://www.lrbshop.co.uk/product.php?productid=1674&cat=28&page=1

10. Introductions of Vol. 4 of the book-series Assassinating Moses
Moses carried with him an important treasure out of Egypt - a treasure also being of a special knowledge, now tracked down in Ove von Spaeth's book 'The Secret Religion'
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book4/moses4-introduc_en.asp

searching.uk.com, -  http://www.searching.uk.com/moses'_religion.html   -  (October,2007)

¤ Recommendation - 30 August 2007  -  reference:
Life After Life

From the contents reference about Annie Dunch's book "Life after Life - Conversations About Reincarnation" (Documenta Publishers, 2007):

Do we have multiple lives? - That is wat is the question! Can there be other explanations of that the multiplicity of different people exists? Many Danes are convinced of reincarnation. Among them, every 4th member of the Danish National Church believe now in reincarnation. - In the book "Life After Life" by Annie Dunch a number of known and unknown Danes are telling about their life philosophies and experiences, which indicates that reincarnation as a possibility.
          Lakha Lama Center for Tibetan Buddhism and liberal Catholic priest Jørgen Skov introduces the doctrine of reincarnation at the beginning of the book. - Read the interviews with Lars Muhl, Farshad Kholghi, Martin Spang Olsen, Chili Turell, Sonny Foltmar, Poul Blak, Knud Sorensen, Margaret Koytu, Jytte Loehr, Jørgen Johannessen, Sanne Menko - and Ove von Spaeth!
          - All phenomena have a cause and an effect. / Lakha Lama
          - Christianity say that we have a soul. Theosophy say that it is the soul which has
a human. / Jørgen Skov
          - I've always thought about reincarnation: No problem! How will it have to be, otherwise life has no meaning. / Lars Muhl
          - A journey through pain and into life again is like dying and resurrected. / Chili Turell
          - As a stunt man do you get many beatings, but it is in the great imagination that you get the really harsh experiences. The "inner stunt" is much harder than it looks. / Martin Spang Olsen
          - I can imagine, I was a pain in the ass for the Pope at that time like I'm to mullahs now. / Farshad Kholghi
          - Well, what do I need such miraculous experiences for? I put them in the bank for mental resources. / Poul Blak
          - As the church heads held a church meeting in France in the 500-century bishops decided by a majority, also women have a soul. / Ove von Spaeth
          - It would be wonderful if we all believed in reincarnation, as we would treat each other and the earth is very different. / Margaret Koytu

Annie Dunch, writer  - http://www.madamdunk.dk/lel_intro.html  -  (30.Aug.2007)

 
¤ Letter  -  8 September 2007  -  Comment:
An exciting and sympathetic chapter

          - To Ove von Spaeth.  This is just to inform you that it soon became very well known that you participate in a recently released book on reincarnation, "Life after Life" by Annie Dunch. Your own interesting and sympathetic chapter gives food for thought, and the whole book is also very good.

Bjorn Andersen, B.A. in literature and linguistics, lecturer at Copenhagen University, author, journalist DJF, and former Programme Editor at the Danish National Broadcast and Television, - biorn@...   -  (8.Sep.2007).

 
¤ Comment  - 21 January 2012  -  Opinion:
Substance and empathy

          It is interesting to read your text with this topic, the other lives. By reading it in the form of episodes is not a coherent stretch, but I'd really like both your way and subject read easily, and novel writing. And interesting with the overall theme.
          I am glad to read your version of how you can experience the phenomenon. It is the absolutely incredible. I have, of course, yourself more fancy "memories" on my inner retina. A Russian countess, where the husband disappeared in the war against France. I wrote a lot and had a small dog. Sad in elegant clothes by a tiny desk.
          Another time I was burned on the body because I loved someone other than the man I was supposed to have. And finally, I have been up in Tibet cold sky in a cabin with my three brothers. - Thai’s all I know. Yet, I have been also been a money-grubbing tax collector. I think we should experience all sorts of strange things, and that's what gives us substance and empathy. Many greetings from Elizabeth,

Elisabeth Andersen,  -  21st of January 2011 10:10 - mail@focus…  -   (21.Jan.2011)

 
¤ Letter  -  22 October 2007  -  Recommendation:
Among the best - written for the many

          Your text "The eagle's claw, life after life!" ("Coat of Arms and eagles claws") - now also on your own website as an expanded version of your report that you previously had published by Annie Dunch in her book "Life After Life" - is just so good, so exciting and so important and so everything ... everyone will be thrilled to read it.
          Just an overview will show that the information should reach far, and also it is a good predisposition that much of the more strictly factual is located down at the end.
          The article is some of the best you've ever written for lay people and at the same time for those seeking factualities.
          It is quite unique, so it will reach a long way around, and if also your future books lie on this line, then there is also ‘ruled’ a great success for them.
          It is obvious that you really come up with this which is both personal and professional matter because you also want that the knowledge must be disseminated to the many that need these somewhat rarer neglected but highly important information.
          The subject in itself - though not intentionally - still seems provocative in some circles. But one should always do what your heart beats for, and not by what others think - and is also here the right thing for YOUR knowledge. The text is just super fine. - Good luck,

Merete Gundersen,  writer, editor, SIQ-therapist  - http://www.siqintelligens.dk   &  http://www.livskilden.dk  -  livskilden@post    -  (22.Oct.2007)

 
¤ Overview  - 12 March 2012  -  Comment:
Karma and Forgiveness

          The spiritual science speaks of karma and self-development. The Church speaks of sin and absolution. Are they talking past each other? If karma is a law of nature, the effect of a law of nature then abolished?

***          The Law of Karma is a law of nature: When we talk about the law of karma, we are talking in its simplicity on the law of cause and effect - of action and reaction. The Law of Karma is simply a law of nature. It is based on the same reality as Isaac Newton presented to mankind when he said: "... For every action there is an equal and opposite reaction ...". - Everything we send out will return to us with the same strength. The universe is wholeness and the balance of the whole is maintained through the various parts in constant and fine alignment. This means that any action inevitably affects the whole. The action concerns not only the individual. Therefore, one can rightly ask:  Can forgiveness of a single human action really abolish both cause and effect in time and space?

***           Atonement: Of course I am aware that I cannot write about karma and forgiveness without also to dwell on the Church's doctrine of atonement. Atonement doctrine is one of the most prominent doctrines of Christianity. It is the doctrine that gave rise to the strongest attacks from people outside Christianity - but it has also been torment to more sensitive consciences within the faith. Many Christian thinkers have doubted this part of Christian doctrine and have tried to find answers. In the Old Testament is seen some very old concepts.

***          Scapegoat:  How is the idea of propitiation occurred? In his book series "Assassinating Moses" the Danish researcher and author Ove von Spaeth writes:
          "... In some of the ancient mystery cults there was practiced a cruel rite to which there was designated a vicarious sacrifice who by wearing a goat skin should be the scapegoat and was then stoned away, sometimes to death. The Israelite ancestor Jacob was on the run - after that he, dressed in goat skin in the ritual by Isaac, was in danger of death - all of which on the above background may at the same time indicate a scapegoat-drive-away of a human. - Moses' law distinguishes between stoning of a person as punishment for his crime and stoning of a live goat used as a sin transfer, i.e. being a vicarious sacrifice - apparently a mental hygienic measures especially in small communities or a desert camp to "let off steam" before someone did each other harm. In the last case, a man no longer had to contribute with body and life to be the scapegoat, because Moses' law despite a few gruesome reminiscences, however, was revolutionary as the time’s most humane legislation ...".

          Ove von Spaeth: (continued) "... Moses' laws forbade human sacrifice - but allowed a form of a vicarious sacrifice: to stone a goat, a scapegoat, and sacrifice some of its blood. - Also slaughter sacrifice is described in "Exodus" (24:8). Here, by the slaughter sacrifice Moses poured part of the blood in bowls and sprinkled it on the people in order to by this powerful medium to seal a pact. This method was continued as late as the time of Jesus by the sacrifice of Easter lambs (cf. Jesus is also called "a lamb") in the temple of Jerusalem. Here, priests rotated cup-shaped bowls with the blood of sacrified lambs so that it would not coagulate too fast, while - at the same time - invocations in the form of sacred hymns were sung.
          The idea of blood's so-called forces is a "technical" background of the symbolism of Jesus as a vicarious sacrifice. At "the Eucharist" the power of this was exploited in connection with that Jesus established a covenant, and as mentioned let a cup containing red wine symbolizing his blood. Later, Paul called Jesus the "second Adam", and the communion narrative contains a powerful pun embedded since the three concepts' words "Adam", "blood", and "red wine" were all from the same root with almost identical pronunciation, both in Hebrew and the local probably most widely spoken language Aramaic ... ".
          Would you read more of this author, we recommend to visit: http://www.moses-eypt.net

Visdomsnettet.dk,  - http://www.visdomsnettet.dk/a-54/  - (October,2006)

 
¤ background study  -  autumn 2002  -  references
Spiritual and mental activities and studies

           Behind Ove von Spaeth‘s many early years of dual operation - both in business and executive researcher and writer - there is an additional layer, a 'double life' long known only among a few friends. Early on, even while OvS was typographer apprentice, he carried out concentrated study of the ancient Indian Vedanta doctrine’s advanced doctrines, Patañjali's Yoga Sutras. The studies were guided by Gunnar Raman, the first expert to introduce and explored this philosophy in Denmark. In Raman's school OvS as 18-year-old passed the diploma exam as a yoga teacher.
          Studies later at the legendary astrologer, Irene Christensen, resulted in the diploma exam at the first graduation class in the discipline in Denmark. Several years followed with parallel practice of astrological activities and research. On the editorial and graphic level OvS helped publicating the books of Gunnar Raman and Irene Christensen.
          The advanced team he joined at the Irene Christensen Institute, was also attended by Jarl Hansen (now head of www.macrosys.net) and Laurids Pedersen (now co-editor of the illustrious monthly magazine Stjernerne) - both were among the first in the world creating astrological computer programs with diagrams. These gifted computer pioneers made it possible for OvS, at a time long before personal computers’ era, to get big computing power and special programs that contributed to that he already around 1981 in brief could break 'the code' of the built-in dating in Egypt's oldest star map which the oldest known star map in the world.

Notes about Ove von Spaeth's personal background, from: "Biographical information on OvS" compiled and edited - by:  Merete Gundersen, author, lecturer, and publisher - and of:  Bjorn Andersen, B.A. in literature and linguistics, lecturer at Copenhagen University, author, journalist DJF, and former Programme Editor at the Danish National Broadcast and Television   -   (autumn,2002).

 
       
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¤ bogguide.dk, 14 September 2007  -  opinion:
A fantastic book, wonderful

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Assassinating Moses, The Suppressed Record, - author Ove von Spaeth. - A fantastic book, wonderful, - many things seem now understandable !!

Winnie Gissing Thomsen, -  http://www.bogguide.dk/meninger.asp?ID=24179  -  (14.Sep.2005)

       
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¤ abcnyheter.no  -  2 April 2010  -  opinions: 
Our religions and the ancient Egyptian theology

abcnyheter.no/nyheter/100402 / - In Norway the Good Friday is associated with peace. It is somewhat different in the Philippines: Re-creating Jesus suffering.
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          Idiotic. A belief should not cause pain in someone's name ...Terrible! ... But there is often applied pain in the name of religion ... Therefore, I refrain the entire bunch of lies ...

Tom Syversen, - 2. April 2010 - 15:28  - http://www.abcnyheter.no/nyheter/100402/gjenopplever-jesu-lidelser#comment-121370    - (2.Apr.2010)

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          These religions that are popular today are legacies of the old religions where human sacrifices were "necessary" to sweeten a god so that he continued to give people sun, rain, food, peace, etc. The ancient Egypt is probably origins of both Judaism, Christianity, and Islam through Moses, the son of Pharaoh's daughter. He created his new religion from the ancient Egyptian theology in which human sacrifice was central to spring ceremonies. For additional historical information about the elements of this belief just visit www.moses-egypt.net
          The Danish scientist Ove von Spaeth proves in his five-volume work on Moses the relationship between our religions and the ancient Egyptian theology. - Taste: The old "magic" word "Amen" that was used in ancient Egypt because it was the highest god's name, was taken over by the Jews because in Hebrew it means "So be it", and is used today in exactly the same way as the ancient Egyptians did. If you want to understand religion's origins must look backward in time. Just sad that humanity can not add the old primitive stuff behind him, and that we still have to lug the old myths of human sacrifice. .

Mai-Liis Gilde ,- 2. April 2010 - 17:02  - http://www.abcnyheter.no/nyheter/100402/gjenopplever-jesu-lidelser#comment-121370    - (2.Apr.2010)

¤ Translator - 8 March 2007  -  Recommendation: 
A little advertising for the book on Moses in Swedish

I have done some advertising for the boks on "Assassinating Moses" in a Swedish Internet club for food and cooking where I am a member, Matklubben.se. I'm in a group that approves recipes in this club. And in this small group, I told them about my translation of Ove von Spaeth's book about Moses. So yesterday, I announced that I had now come through with the translation. They immediately became curious and then I could tell it was about Moses in the Bible but that he really was the son of Pharaoh's daughter and the rightful heir to the Egyptian throne. But that, because of political intrigue he was excluded from the court.
          Can tell that the book would have been classified as heresy by the Salvation Army at his place. I showed them once a historical magazine, Popular History, in which there was an article about Jesus. They would not even touch the printed paper and not at all read the article. For God's sake do not upset their vision and faith in Jesus, then they think their world would be destroyed!

Bodil M. Paulsson, - tanslator, Malmö, Sweden, - former Swedish editor of the Swedano Historical Magazine monthly - Sun 23-05-2010 10:5 - 5  - (& www.kakrummet.se)  -  (23.maj.2010)

¤ selvet.dk  -  8 March 2007  -  recommendation: 
Tracing the Moses heritage from Egypt

           http://www.selvet.dk
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Tracing the Moses heritage from Egypt - by Ove Von Spaeth.  New discoveries and interesting finds all in connection with the Moses riddle re-establish important historical contexts. All this is presented in the book-series "Assassinating Moses". In these special books a unique material is presented in a vivid form regarding the both adventurous and dramatic background of  Moses in Egypt.  Read the article!

selvet.dk,  -  08 Mar 2007  -  http://www.selvet.dk/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=6344:pa-sporet-af-moses-arv-fra-egyptenn--forskning&catid=32:forskning&Itemid=1794   -  (8.mar.2007)

¤ Reader's letter in the newspaper  -  14 November 2006  -  debate:
The Minister of Ecclesiastical Affairs should read
Ove von Spaeth's feature article

Is history being murdered? - I read our Danish Minister of Ecclesiastical Affairs, Birthe Rønn Hornbech's "An Ecclesiastical View" in Kristeligt Dagblad (Danish newspaper), 20 October about biology teaching in the Christian independent schools that wish to teach (also) on the new concept of "intelligent design".
          I have great respect for Birthe Rønn Hornbech's usually objective and thoughtful contributions, but this time something went too far. In one section she says: "... the Bible's recounts on creation cannot and should not be proved. I have never understood this urge to try to demonstrate that 'the Bible is still right' - which also was the title of a very controversial book in my childhood ..."
          About this interesting book by Werner Keller, also issued in Danish by Jespersen & Pio Publishers in 1968, I would like to point out that it did not at all talk about the Creation and nor did it mention Darwin or his theories. I found the book on the shelf, and this time what did I also find in it? A feature article by the author Ove von Spaeth published in Kristeligt Dagblad (daily), 23 June 2004 entitled "Murdering history." Since 1968 there has been much new material which confirms the Bible's stories.
          I would like to call Birthe Rønn Hornbech to read both the book and the feature article mentioned above. It cannot be wrong to find out that what you believe in, also can be scientifically demonstrated. It is not about the creation, but about many other things mentioned in the Bible, as this world's wise and clever people assumed being myths and legends. But is it indeed unscientific to deny confirmation of events, just because you do not want to believe them when they are mentioned in the Bible? Why should history be murdered?

Jørgen O. Markussen, - P.O. Box 607, Mwanza, Tanzania, - http://www.kristeligt-dagblad.dk/artikel/18211:Debat--Kort-sagt?all=1  -  (14.Nov.2006)

¤ Talk:Moses, Wikipedia  -  July 2010  -  reference:
Talk:Moses - Wikipedia


Date of Exodus section. - Why has any reference to a date been removed from this wiki article? Did Moses live in a timeless vaccuum? Does Moses have a millenium when he is alleged to have lived? Stevenmitchell (talk) 22:30, 13 July 2010 (UTC)

Talk:Moses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Actually I don't know whether von Spaeth is scientific or pseudo-scientific, ... Ove von Spaeth claims that Moses was Senmut, son of Hatshepsut, probably son of ...
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Talk:Atenism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If any more than Ove von Spaeth mentions it, it might deserve mentioning. Till then Ove von Spaeth's site. Rursus dixit. ( mbork3!) 12:56, 25 March 2010 (UTC) ...
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Talk:Ancient Egyptian technology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
If you would like to participate, please visit the project page, where you can ... (book) ... also another at Ove von Spaeth:  Egyptology and Astronomy (2000) 5. ...
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1530s BC - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
17th century BC – 16th century BC – 15th century BC. Decades: ... von Spaeth, Ove (2000), "Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map" ...
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Jurij Moskvitin - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
After World War II he studied at The Royal Danish Academy of Music in Copenhagen. ... Spaeth, Ove von, Quick introduction, Oral account, http://www.moses-egypt.net ...
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Star - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
 ... von Spaeth, Ove (2000). "Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map" ...
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¤ Synoo Search, Web Directory, on topics 1537 BC and 1415 BC, summer 2007 - info:
Data mining on 1537 BC  and 1415 BC

Synoo Search, Web Directory - http://www.synoo.com/Top/web19/1537_BC.html 
- & - http://www.synoo.com/Top/web/1415_BC.html Topics: 1537 BC & 1415 BC
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Topic: 1537 BC :

The Blue Man,
... Iv 44, 5-6 Hence, Nicoloas Grimal tells us in A History of Ancient Egypt: "If this is evidence for
a heliacal rising of Sirius, the astronomical calculation gives the date 1537 BC for the rising, and ...
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Book-series - Assassinating Moses,
survey (recommendation): ... As a historian of astronomy I find the basic assumption of a certain planetary constellation in 1537 BC worth testing in relation to biblical research, Egyptology, archaeology as well as general ...
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Dynasty 18 - Ahmose I, Amenhotep I,
... If this is evidence for a helical rising of Sirius, the astronomical calculation gives the date 1537
BC for the rising, and therefore 1546 BC for the beginning of Amenophis' reign, but only if the ...
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Egypt,
... 9.XI of the civil calendar can be fixed with a high degree of probability at 1537 BC" . The Sothic
cycle, which was, if you remember, discredited, is now used again for the dating of the {New Kingdom ...

Synoo Search, Web Directory, - Topic: 1537 BC - http://www.synoo.com/Top/web19/1537_BC.html  - (Spring,2007)

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Topic: 1415 BC :

Assassinating Moses - Vol. 1: Debate,
... And that he died just before Easter, 1415 BC. All numbers here being transposed into Gregorian calendar style. NOTE: The Gregorian calendar includes new-years at January 1, a custom starting only 250 ...
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History Before Christ,
... 1415 BC Amenophis IV of Egypt replaces old religion with sun worship. 1375 BC Ikhnaton develops monotheistic religion in Egypt. 1355 BC Rameses I begins Nineteenth Dynasty in Egypt. 1300 BC Moses ...
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Tornado in Israel and the Picture Bible Prophecy Code,
... i.e., 49 + 50th day) (Also the anniversary of the covenant of the law at Mount Sinai and the anniversary of the birth of the Church in the book of Acts) Symbolic date: 1415 BC 1415 BC is 1440 [12 x 40 ...

Synoo Search, Web Directory, - Topic: 1415 BC - http://www.synoo.com/Top/web/1415_BC.html  - (spring,2007)

¤ opinions, grahamhancock.com/phorum, 10 September 2008  -  research data: 
The work of Ove von Spaeth as updated research

http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum

seaking wrote:  >> (Quote:)  -  I assume that the tablets you are discussing are the "ten commandments". - I always suspected that Moses himself (under the direction of the Creator") sculptured the stone tablets. I doubt if Moses would smash them in anger if God had handed them to him personally. - Jews are renowned as excellent scholars. Is it possible that during their long period of "captivity" in Egypt, the Hebrews became conversant in Egyptian hieroglyphics and that this was the language they were originally written in ?

martinpescatore answers:  No, if it was in Egyptian their glyphs would also have depicted gods - so that doesn't make sense. The exodus people didn't have a script at first. Therefore the Sinai alphabet would have been more likely.  - Cf.:  http://www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/debates-continuing-c_en.asp  - and scroll down to Ove von Spaeth's article: "Genuine Egyptian Source Documentation on Moses"  ...
          You claim that Moses is a fictional prophet invented for political reasons. Then you have to prove all what has been written about him is fraud.
          I had shown to you that the work of Ove von Spaeth is of updated research, but you ignore it - that's your business not mine; and that his research is pure historical/scientific research and deals with ... what Pythagoras, Philo, Diodoros, Josephus, Quran, Rabbinical Writings, Beth ha-Midrash, Heinrich Brugsch, Maspero, Donald B Redford, Brestead, Louis Ginzberg, OT, NT, etc, etc, have been writing; and even a person you use as a reference: Erik Hornung find Ove von Spaeth's work interesting.
          And if you think he has done it for money, then it's the wrong way to do it. If you think it's of religious purposes - then read again the links I've send you. - Best, Martin

martinpescatore, (87.55.32.---)  - Date: 10-Sep-08 08:06 -http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum/ - (10.Sep.2008)

       
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¤ Letter from reader, July 15, 2008  -  view: 
Clearheaded presentation - and a synchronicity ...

To Ove von Spaeth, -  it is so exciting to read your texts about Moses' Alchemy and Carl Jung, and The Religion's Lost Dimension, and on Freud and Moses - this can hardly be read in one blow, because my brain's hard drive must spend time to understand. It is also very strange in connection with the alchemists I was just about reading Margurite Yourcenar's book concerning a "melting pot" or "crucible" - yes, time again for Jung and synchronicity!
           Your immense material has to be digested. I cannot quite grasp how your 'hard drive' can hold all the information which you put into writing expressed so very clearheaded. There is also very good illustration material - I become trapped into the whole matter.

E.M. Stogafo, -  DK-2942 Skodsborg  -  (15.Jul.2008)

¤ Reader's letter, 8 July 2008 - opinion and question:
Moses and the Golden Calf

I was very pleased and interested by reading your books, and constantly astound by the wealth of information which is stored in what you have chosen to write about.
          On this background, I could therefore like to ask, whether you are aware of one other theory about that the Israelites had to drink/eat the gold from the calf, a theory put forward by Laurence Gardner and called Monatomic Gold, and about the references there are concerning the snake and "moses'-rod" of the Sumerian gods.

Søren Erik Barfred, Configuration Manager, Metro Service A/S, - SEB@metroservice.dk  -  (18.Jul.2008)

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::   OvS's reply.  - Thanks you for your interest. - Unfortunately, the various texts that I have seen so far on the case have not told so much and seem often a bit messy. I would like to see a clear presentation and intention, because I am convinced that what Moses put into operation in connection with the Golden Calf, simultaneously served several purposes.
          The one intention does not exclude the other, and in the older parts of Bible most often there can be seen more layers of understanding - and I have, in general, only touched on a small part of all this.

          Ove von Spaeth

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TWIG - A golden coffin that may have once held the remains of the pharaoh Akhenaton was shipped from Munich back to Cairo on Friday, its magnificent lid matched up with a base that had been missing from Egypt since 1931. The two halves of the coffin were reunited in October and formed the centerpiece of a three-month exhibit at the State Museum for Egyptian Art in Munich.
          When it was first discovered in 1907 in Tomb 55 of the Valley of the Kings, the coffin was considered a spectacular find. It was immediately identified as one of the treasures of Amarna, the capital founded by Akhenaton in the 14th century BC. Sometime during the course of its restoration at the Egyptian Museum in Cairo, the fragmented base of the coffin went astray. It remained
lost until 1980, when a Swiss art dealer asked Dietrich Wildung, then director of the Munich museum, to identify what looked like a few scraps of gold foil inlayed with semiprecious stones and some pieces of rotten wood.
          How the coffin came to Europe is still a mystery. So is the true identity of the mummy it once contained. Some Egyptologists believe the mummy found in the golden coffin may have been that of Akhenaton's short-lived successor, Smenkhkare. But Wildung, now at the Egyptian Museum in Berlin, is certain the coffin was built for Akhenaton himself, the ruler who launched a religious
revolution by declaring no god existed but Aton, the sun. In restoring the base of the coffin, he says, specialists found an inscription bearing an emblem only used for the "heretic" pharaoh.
          Munich art historians spent almost three years reconstructing the coffin base with the help of the Egyptian Museum in Cairo, as Bavarian officials negotiated its return in exchange for a permanent loan of other works from the museum's collection. A change of guard at the Cairo museum and the shifting political climate in Egypt delayed the process until May 2001, when Bavarian governor
          Edmund Stoiber announced the coffin would be returned unconditionally. In response, the Egyptian Museum loaned the lid to Munich for its special exhibit, "The Mystery of the Golden Coffin." A spectacular success, the show closed January 20 after attracting more than 40,000 visitors.
(Recommending:)  www.moses-egypt.net/book1/moses1-inform_en.asp

SLN - Echo Germanica, German-Canadian, - February, 2002 - Nr. 2:  Munich Returns Pharaoh's Coffin to Cairo http://aquanetsiecwodna.blogspot.com/2007/05/thought-is-free-of-charge.html - (1.Nov.2003)

       
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¤ searching.uk.com, autumn 2007  -  references:
Moses Egypt

searching.uk.com - Moses Egypt. - Are you looking for: Life of Moses?
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4. Moses & New Research / Mysteriet om Moses Revurderet
New data concerning Moses as a historical person is based on Ove von Spaeth's research ... Moses-Egypt.net is optimized for screen size 800x600 and high color. ...
http://www.moses-egypt.net/

5. Amazon.co.uk: Moses the Egyptian: The Memory of Egypt in Western ...
Amazon.co.uk: Moses the Egyptian: The Memory of Egypt in Western Monotheism: Books: Jan Assmann by Jan Assmann.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Moses-Egyptian-Memory-Western-Monotheism/dp/0674587391

6. Introductions of Vol. 4 of the book-series Assassinating Moses
Moses carried with him an important treasure out of Egypt - a treasure also ... Egypt - and was here known to connect also with the historical Moses' dramatic ...
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book4/moses4-introduc_en.asp

9. Moses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
God commissioned Moses to go to Egypt and deliver his fellow Hebrews from bondage. ... Egypt, who believed Moses and Aaron after they saw the signs that ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses

10. Moses: Egypt
According to the Book of Exodus, Moses was a son of Amram, a member of the ... Moses, the biblical leader who guided the Israelites out of slavery in Egypt to ... Without Moses, there would be little apart from laws to write about in the last four books of the Torah
http://www.lycos.com/info/moses--egypt.html

searching.uk.com, -  http://www.searching.uk.com/moses_egypt.html    -  (autumn,2007)

¤ The Moses Mystery, VisdomsSkolen 2, Spring 2007  –  programme on Moses :
Esoteric Egyptology and Assassinating Moses, the Egyptian

The esoteric symbolism of the Moses legend is the subject on some of our special weekend courses. Also a going through the surprising news about Moses based on discoveries documented by  the researcher Ove von Spaeth in his book-series, "Assassinating Moses".

          Saturday 10-17: - Morning:  1) Mount Moses and St. Catharine Convent.  2)  The ritual of the royal baby. - Afternoon:  3)  Moses - Jew or Egyptian?  4)  "Assassinating Moses".
          Sunday 10-17. - Morning:  5)  The escape from Egypt (the substituting victim),  6)  The 10 plagues. - Afternoon:  7) The Exodus.

          The programme, "Egyptian mysteries in a new light" can be downloaded for free - from the following address,  www.visdomsnettet.dk/pdf/Weekendkurser-Egypten-i-nyt-lys-Esoterisk-egyptologi.pdf

WisdomsSchool in Copenhagen and Aarhus, Egypt's mysteries, WisdomSchool 2, Weekendclasses, Moses-mystery, - http://www.visdomsnettet.dk/a-295/  -  (Spring 2007)

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2  DISCUSSIONGROUPS & NEWSGROUPS  -  ON THE MOSES-SERIES
- evt. praktisk at kunne læse teksten off-line
¤ forums.gametrailers.com, Who here has seen Zeitgeist?, 10 July 2007  -  discussion:
This  moses-egypt.net  should explain a thing or two

Groups:  forums.gametrailers.com - Subject: Who here has seen Zeitgeist?
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... and that Moses never used a ram's horn – that was mentioned once in the Old testament to signify the coming of the Egyptians. It should be noted that the Gregorian calendar (which our modern day one is largely based on) and Jewish calendar do not follow the Zodiac in anyway shape and or form, and that the Zodiac is not a Jewish symbol, and to Christians, has always been regarded as pagan. ... ........
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Quote:   I'm sure youre laughing at stuff like this.

You're welcome, Mate. - Oh yeah, you really nailed me with that link, I can see that clearly. lets see. Wiki is surpcingly neutral on her, there are great scholars for and against. The next link is from Apologetics Ministries, and is filled with the same errors that you copy pasted from the same article.
          Then comes a rabbi who apparently dont like her ideas much, and make the same errors over, as if they worked with the same "anti AS" script.
          Next we have a christian conspiracy theory page, conspiracies as viewed by a christian audience, and da,m if they dont parrot the same bunch of selective facts over, as the first 2.
shit, you had me there bro. I lay down.
          EDIT( a link has been added here) http://www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/moses_survey_en.asp  this should explain a thing or two about where i come from with this.

adramelech, Level 1, - (Join Date: Jun 2007), Posts: 64 - ttp://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=115573&page=3  - (10.Jul.2007)

       
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¤ Discussion group, debat.dr.dk, The Danish National Radio, 27 June 2007 -  debate:
The inspiration from his books

Samfund / dr.dk/debat / Samfund / Hizb ut-Tahrir kindergarden is demanded closed down
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Samfund, dr.dk/debate, - http://debat.dr.dk/default.ns?strItemID
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(began: 25th June 2007 15:43:51 GMT) - the following kept 27th jJune 2007
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Comments: Fenris2 - Close - One day ago. (This contribution was corrected one day ago).
          About Islam and superstition - Probably, this contribution is a bit beside the subject, and yet not … because the majority of this subject is no doubt about superstition.
          Ove von Spaeth, the Danish Researcher at the University of Copenhagen, has written a monumental 5 volume series about the real Moses.
          The inspiration of his books is the combination of a number of different sciences (e.g. Egyptology, history, astronomy, Hebrew, and Greek philology, etc) used to determine years and names of the real Moses and what was the real purpose of the religion he invented. Of course this must replace the superstitious myths later built up around the man and his religion.
          Moses and his Hebrew religion is the basis of all three monotheistic religions, i.e. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. If once and for all we can kill the myths built up around Moses, this may have major consequences for these three religions.
          At present these five books are being translated from Danish into English opening up for the opportunity of reaching a more substantial number of readers. As Danish speaking we have the opportunity to read them now, before they become available to many other readers.
          Despite the profoundly scientific subject, the books are easily read. If you feel inclined, it is easy to start with the first volume in order to feel the interest.
          I recommend all five of them.
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Comments: hyphesten - Close - one day ago.
          This sounds as an interesting number of books.
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Comments: Fenris2 - Close - one day ago.
          They are, Hyphesten. As an example of what he presents I can tell you that when Moses in his basket sails down the Nile in Egypt, this is in fact a well known ritual for a crown prince. This was something that ALL Egyptian crown princes went through.
          It is also a well known ritual from other ancient countries, e.g. Mesopotamia.
          This fact combined with the fact that Moses clearly is an Egyptian and not a Hebrew name may indicate that Moses was an Egyptian crown prince.
          The books present more evidences (including in particular an astronomical map from a tomb) which cause that with convincing certainty Ove von Spaeth points out that the real name of Moses was Tuthmosis, and that he was intended to become Tuthmosis III, if he had not been subject to a coup and had been exiled by his half brother, who instead became the Tuthmosis III we know from Egyptology.
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Comments: Gilgameesh - Close - One day ago.
          I can absolutely recommend these books. The following link is toa review: http://www.bog-mystik.dk/default.asp?Action=Details&Item=3428
          In fact the Bible is full of Egyptian rituals. Jesus and Osiris were both killed on a Friday and three days later they both resurrected. 25th December is the birthday of Osiris. And like Magdalena, who is asking for Jesus on the day of resurrection, also Isis is asking for Osiris in the Egyptian mystery plays - using almost exactly the same words, "ou have taken my Master away, and I do not know where they have placed him."
          Best regards, Gilgameesh
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Comments: - Jeronima - Close - One day ago.
          Very good contribution, Fenris. Unfortunately the myths will probably not be killed - the more superstition and myths, the more well-being of religious souls! I am looking forward to reading the books. But you are likely to have it from those in biblical faith.


Comments: Jeremia - Close - One day ago.
          I fail to see what that proves!
          The reason why Moses was dragged out of the Nile may have been that the Egyptian princess believed that he was a crown prince. It should be remembered that Moses was adopted by the Egyptian princess, and that this could be the natural reason for his Egyptian name.
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Comments: Fenris2 - Close - 23 hours ago.
          Read your bible, Jeremaia. It says nothing about Moses being adopted by the daughter of Pharaoh. It is a myth created by the church (and the Jews) on the basis of the texts. Obviously, you should read the original, Hebrew Torah. The myths built up around Moses have been included in the translations from Hebrew to Greek. From Greek to English (King James' Bible), and again from English to Danish. Von Spaeth goes back to the original Hebrew text. And he compares this with contemporary non-canonical, Jewish texts, i.e. the so-called Rabbinical Writings.
          Originally, the Jews have probably realized that Moses was an Egyptian prince. However, when the Jews returned to Judea/Israel after their second exile in Babylon, their faith turned into a more "nationalistic" direction, and when Ezra re-wrote the Jewish Torah, Moses lost many of his Egyptian features. That this was originally a princely ritual had obviously already been forgotten. It was simply not understood any more what was the purpose of this voyage on the Nile in a rush basket.
          But aside from this you should not expect complete and inevitable evidences. That is impossible cutting across 3,500 years of history. Only probabilities are likely, and the impressive amount of evidences presented by Ove von Spaeth makes his theory VERY likely IMHO.
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Comments: Gilgameesh - Close - 22 hours ago.
          Proving what, Jeremia? - We may just start with the rabbit and the badger and to chew the cud.
          Leviticus (3.Mos.) 11:5 and 6. - Or this about insects: Leviticus (3.Mos.) 11:20:  Al fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.
          Leviticus (3.Mos.) 11,21: Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth.
          Leviticus (3.Mos.)11,22: Even these of them ye may eat; the locust after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
          Leviticus (3.Mos.) 11,23: But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you. - (yet insects have 6 legs, especially God should know this). - Now, it should be your turn to prove that it is the truth presented in the Bible. - greetings, Gilgameesh.
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Comments: Jeremia - Close - 22 hours ago.
          One more time, Gilgameesh, I cannot see what this should prove. - The only thing we can deduct is that insects are not abominable.
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Comments: Jeremia - Close - 22 hours ago.
          When it comes to the Bible, it is incredible how minor details are being scrutinized. Consider for a moment that the same was done to history books. However, it proves that apparently there is something people should not know. Because the Bible is first and foremost the history of the Jewish people, and about the way Judaism was split up in Christianity and traditional Judaism.
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Comments: Gilgameesh - Close - 22 hours ago.
          History has been proved - the Bible has not, - Gilgameesh
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Comments: Fenris2 - Close - 22 hours ago.
          That is right, Jeremia (i.e. that the Torah is a kind of history writing) and you may be happy to know that this is part of what Ove von Spaeth proves in his books.
          For a long time it has been universally accepted among researchers that Moses was pure fabrication - a kind of national hero invented by the Jews.
          In his book Ove von Spaeth refutes this. And simultaneously he explains the mysteries surrounding Moses in a historical context and thus kills the superstition connected to Moses.
          Let me present you to a couple of other examples (and I will not bother with details!!!): two of the better known episodes in the life of Moses are the event when God's name is revealed to him at the burning bush, and when he receives the 10 commandments at Mount Sinai. Both episodes are presented by Ove von Spaeth as very clear initiations in a mystery cult. One of the indications of this is that Moses is dressed up for participation in the cult (cf the Bible that when Moses came down from the mountain he had horns on his forehead).
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Comments: vp - Close - 12 hours ago.
          Yes, Gilgameesh - historical facts are exposed both to selection of sources (documentation) and interpretation on the part of the history writer. Just imagine how differently the Palestinian-Israeli conflict could be described - depending on the history writer.

Danmarks Radio, Society (Samfund), dr.dk/debat, http://debat.dr.dk/default.ns
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¤ David Icke's Official Forums, 19 December 2009  -  discussion: 
I think he has done a fantastic job

David Icke's Official Forums > Main Forums > Religion.   - subject: Jesus wasn't real?? Thats not true!
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Quote:  - Originally Posted by major seven - Hey Zen! - I'm not a "religion fanatic" but I would still like to hear your "evidence to the contrary". Interesting that so many people would willingly die for some sort of phony myth from the same century as the supposed events of the bible. Most folks don't just willingly die after hearing a pretty good bedtime story.
          Do you have any particular thoughts on prophecy? Who are the "many who know their answer before hearing the question"? Sounds like they should be pretty good contestants on Jeapordy.
          The Bible is a pretty big book. Is the whole book a lie? Are the Ten Commandments in the Bible a lie? Before Moses, did any such thing as the Ten Commandments exist in "civilized society" like say Greece, Egypt, Persia or Rome, or anywhere? Not to say that all of the Jews spent much time following the Big Ten either, but they did at least have them to break if they felt like it, Right?   - FM7

You don't think people will willingly die for silly unproven causes???? What do you call suicide bombers and kamakazi pilots?? What do you call the followers of Jim Jones, the Heavens Gate death cult and David Koresh? I could go on and on all back through history with those willing to die for what they believe, no matter how foolish the cause. Where have you been the past 20 years!!!!
          Also, there are 3 versions in the OT of the ten commandments and the last set are completely different from the first. Those are the ones written to replace the ones Moses broke. God told him he would write upon them the same words as on the first, but he sure screwed up when he dictated those idiotic commands. You are the one who needs to study before you speak.
          You know very little. Before Moses and his big ten King Hammurabi made a list of laws, about 135 of them. All of the commandments were in that list. The Egyptian Book of the Dead also has laws similar to the 10 where Moses was raised and educated and knew those laws from childhood. The so-called prophecies have been debunked so many times it is old hat by now. That horse has been beaten to death.

becky, - Member, 19-12-2008, 06:09 AM #21 - Join Date: May 2007, Posts: 36 - http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=677942  -  (19,Dec.2008)

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Quote:  - Originally Posted by quysant  - Very good points, Becky. - There continues to be no evidence for a historical Jesus... Moses and the Exodus are also very suspect.

I get so tired hearing the tired claim that the apostles would have never died for a myth!!!! Good God!!! Nutjobs die somewhere everyday for a cause that isn't worth two cents. Some of the more demented ones encourage their own children to martyr themselves in the name of some non-existing god. Unbelievable!
          If you want to read something about Moses and the so-called exodus, this is an excellent place to begin: It has been thought for centuries by many writers that Moses was NOT Hebrew and was in fact a Pharoah in waiting. The author has searched 30 years in sources outside the bible for proof and I think he has done one hell of a job:  http://www.moses-egypt.net/book1/moses1-introduc_en.asp  see: Contents of Volume 1.

becky, - Member, 19-12-2008, 04:10 PM #27 - Join Date: May 2007, Posts: 36 - http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php?p=677942  -  (19.Dec.2008)

       
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¤ grahamhancock.com, phorum, 6-18 January 2009  -  discussions : 
von Spaeth gives information for everybody to use

http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum - Was Canaan a part of Egypt at the time of the Exodus? (was cannan a part of eygpt at exodus)

Re: was cannan a part of eygpt at exodus  - Author: martinpescatore (87.55.33.---) - Date: 06-Jan-09 09:39

mysticmazzy wrote:  >>hope someone can tell if cannan was a part of eygpt at that time and if it was would it silly to go from eygpt to eygpt. It will be funny if Moses was Akenaton, so for wrong spelling. But would it turn some faiths round to having a closer investigation hopefully. thanks all.

HI mysticmazzy, - Here is an Danish author/researcher, search around on his page, he is probably one who have made a research which is not so superficial as a lot of Moses/exodus stories. Unfortunately his book are for some time only in Danish, but the 1st book in English should be ready soon. Cf. :  http://www.moses-egypt.net/book3/moses3-inform_en.asp

          Martin, - http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=258853&t=225204
-  (6.Jan.2009)


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NEW tread, http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum - The first record of Israel and some more

Re: The first record of Israel and some more - Author: martinpescatore (87.55.33.---) Date: 17-Jan-09 15:21

>>Is there any other evidence of the name Israel except on the Merenptah Stele, widely known as the Israel Stele?

First of all, yes. - The name "Israel" is not a late "invention" but is early known from Pharaoh Merenptah's inscription from approx. 1225 BC (found by Flinders Petrie in 1896): "... Ashqelon is taken as prisoners ... Gezer is taken ... Israel destroyed. ..."
          That this is no coincidence is demonstrated by the existence of even one more Merenptah-stele with "Israel" - Spiegelberg's find, now both at the Cairo Museum. All this is quoting researcher Ove von Spaeth, i.e. his book, The Secret Religion. Moses and the Egyptian Heritage in the Past and Present, 2004 (p. 333, paragraphs 54 and 55), thus:  Ramses II's son, Merenptah, reigned 10 years (1228-1218 BC). It demonstrates the lowdating hypothesis is all wrong concerning that Israel according to certain claims began 40 years of desert travel during the reign of Merenptah, wrongly referred to by the scholars as "the new tough Pharaoh": So how could Israel be mentioned as a people living in Canaan, where this people, according to the hitherto theory had not yet arrived and began their residing in the country?
          The remarkable thing is that no researchers have doubted the name. The doubt is only aroundt how big was Israel?, was it a minor tribe on a smaller area or was it bigger in general?

          I know that this is a bit off topic, but is somehow related to a lot of other discussions here on the board about Moses, Pentateuch and Egypt.
          With kindly thanks to Ove von Spaeth, he allowed me to copy this - so you don't need to scroll down in his webpage - but there is other genuine articles from his huge research:
" Genuine Egyptian Source Documentation on Moses ", By OVE VON SPAETH
click: http://www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/debates-continuing-c_en.asp

          Martin, http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=259534&t=259534
-  (17.Jan.2009)
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Re: The first record of Israel and some more - Author: martinpescatore (87.55.33.---)   Date: 17-Jan-09 23:01

turnofthetide wrote: >>Ove claims the exodus occurs on the death of Thutmose III. Then "Moses" has the temple archives stolen. Now Moses is claimed to be Senemut. But Sememut was of no consequence by the time of Thutmose III sole regency that lasted for decades after the passing of Hatshepsut. Senemut was the tutor of Neferure, who was older than Thutmose III. Do the math.

Yes, and Moses was much older than Tuthmosis III - it fits exactly, so what's your problem (other than your own lack of math)?

turnofthetide wrote: >> Manetho is unreliable and that is why he should be discounted at best.

This is a cliché and never factually proven or documented by any scientist. The continously repeating do not make it the least true. What about the writers of antiquity who had their opinions about him but never said that he is "unrealible", - are they, although close to the events, all wrong but you, 2,000 years later, you know better? Why do you mention it at all when you have not investigated it. This lack of method is not scientific but waste of time.

turnofthetide wrote: >> It is clear Ove has done a lot of work and he cites a lot of sources, and some of them are quite good. The problem is that in the midst of all his string citing he then makes wild speculations ....

The so-called "wild speculations" are in fact only a minor but necessary part and do not prove your arguments. So why mention them instead of disproving the many sources of antiquity in use? And why do you call them "wild" speculations when Ove von Spaeth in his research presents literally hundreds of solid indications, finds, proofs, and documentation - a work never done before and naturally coursing some surprise. You are prejudiced according to your choice of words, in other circles with respect for such a serious and deep research his approach is called - as normally - a hypothesis.

turnofthetide wrote: >> .... he then makes wild speculations and claims them to be facts. Interesting, those assertions always makes a molehill look like a mountain.

I have never ever by my reading of Ove von Spaeth's books, scientific papers, and other articles seen him claiming his thoughts on the events or anything else of the kind to be a fact as a truth. On the contrary:  his is presenting his views by some contexts and they are based on existing facts and data, but in the same time it is information that he gives everybody to use by their own choice.
          His politics presented openly in his preface of every book and also published on the Internet (for instance, cf. http://www.moses-egypt.net/book4/moses4-introduc_en.asp ) is seen here:
                    "... Many handed-down sources and findings have, for the first time, been put into a greater context all of which should be judged in its entirety. The book is not based on single sources or solitary decisions - rather, the focus is on the presentation of a long string of clues and indications; these may be considered a "special offer" to further research. ..."
          Again, you are trying to protect your lack of knowledge from being disclosed, and you are doing so by your untruthfully inventing things - this is stricktly unfair and a bad spirit of discussion. 

turnofthetide wrote: >> (concerning Ove mentioning:) "many Egyptologist were also educated in Greek and ancient Semitic languages" - >>>This goes back to the Victorians and this is why there was a concerted attempt by the goons in the Palestine Exploration Fund to bias any research in Egypt and Palestine to protect and exalt the Bible ... Old Ove seems to be unwittingly in the same tradition.

It is not about "the Victorians" - and you know it wery well - in his text surveying "Genuine Egyptian Source Documentation on Moses" at this address: http://www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/debates-continuing-c_en.asp , Ove von Spaeth writes "Previously", i.e. previously to our present time, regarding the well-known fact that (at least in the Northern European countries) the mentioned abundant education of the Egyptologists was still in use until ca. 1985.
          For instance, it is a fact that (provincialism is blooming) in the American Egyptologists' books and papers you only outmost rarely - if it happens at all - see any bibliographical references on the literature from the excellent French and German researchers' books in their own languages.
          You are defending outdated knowledge instead of being open to expanding the information, and there are here a lot of hitherto unseen data to pick up for your own use.
          Ove von Spaeth is highly experienced, well-educated and thus with the advantage of being able to draw information from a multiple of souces in different languages and in addition extensive contacts to a lot of other experts to assist with data as well as criticism. Concerning that you are defending and not really argumenting or making evaluations of the pro and cons, it would be fine to deliver more than cliches.

          Martin, - http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=259565&t=259534
-  (17-19.Jan.2009)

¤ forum, religion.dk  -  11-12 December 2008  -  discussion:
About reincarnation

          forum, religion.dk - http://onlinedebat.religion.dk, Forum: Reincarnation and Christianity
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Verner - lives here - Registered: 07/08/2005 - Posts: 1884 - Location: Brønshøj
Re: Reincarnation and Christianity [Re: Verner] # 43198 - 12/11/2008 15:09
          To my readers. I just tumbled into a new book: “Life after life - conversations about reincarnation” - by Anni Dunch. (She speaks with several people, including Poul Blak).
          I quote: A new study has shown that 20% of the Danish National Church members believe in reincarnation. I am convinced that if you ask those who are not members of the church, the figure will be even higher. It does indeed appear that the part of the world where budhismen and Hinduism flourishes, 1.5 billion people have this belief. In addition each fifth member of the Danish National Church should be added. It's probably not something priests like to be confronted with, which we can establish. Unquote.
          The author has been talking with 14 well-known people who are in favour of reincarnation. But read it by yourself - it has arrived to the library - a really good book ...
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Verner - lives here - Registered: 07/08/2005 - Posts: 1884 - Location: Brønshøj
Re:  Reincarnation and Christianity [Re: Verner] #43203 - 11/12/2008 16:11
          A continuation from 15.09. I have finished the book. ... (And) a second person is telling the following. Quote: The doctrine of reincarnation was entirely out of the Church at June 2nd in the year of 553. It took place by a coup. Unquote, Good evening.
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Moussaka  - new - Registered: 01/12/2008 - Posts: 5
          Re: Reincarnation and Christianity [Re: Verner] #43220 - 11/12/2008 22:13
Hello Verner, - It is interesting that you write that "The doctrine of reincarnation was entirely out of the Church at June 2nd in the year of 553. It took place by a coup". - You write that it is a quote, but writes not from where. I have tried to find the source, and have found this to illuminate your opinion: http://www.religion.dk/artikel/170542:Spoerg-on-neo-religiosity --Reincarnation and the year 553. Do you have other sources?
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Verner - lives here - Registered: 07/08/2005 - Posts: 1884 - Location: Brønshøj
Reincarnation and Christianity [Re: Moussaka] #43228 - 12/12/2008 09:26
          Hello Mousaka. - You asked about who mentioned the elimination of reincarnation. It is from the book ("Life after life, conversations about reincarnation") by Anni Dunch.
          You must enter at page 169: - "A Conversation with Ove von Spaeth". I will not repeat it - read it by yourself. I do not know whether you are for or against, just let me tell you something that you will not believe. But as I also write for others here, so here is the story:
          See, when I was meeting the spiritual counsel prior to my incarnationbefore my descending to my mother, then I agreed to a life contract. This contract was about that I in the next life would be an advocate for truth, which is that there is life after death - in the reincarnation- and karma-law composite this is called spiritual science.
          I have written on this subject on this site for over 4 years, but it has been mocked much to a degree that you cannot imagine. But whatever happens, I will continue. I have strong spiritual powers supporting me - that I have been told by clairvoyant persons through 35 years - yes, even in this moment where the keyboard is being used, I feel it.
          The spiritual science will one day be recognized. But dark forces, materialism, are fighting tooth and nail to stay in power, and therefore it is delayed, but it will arrive, perhaps within 4 years. It does not arrive in the form of tangible revelations, but in the way that people begin to think in a way they never dreamed of. It's the new time which will appear soon. Welcome, Moussaka, hope you will feel comfortable      _ _ _

onlinedebat.religion.dk, - Forum: Reinkarnation og kristendom - religion.dk -
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¤ Discussion group, Game Trailer.com - Discussion Forums, 2 July 2007  -  opinions:
Have you read just one of the books in Ove von Spaeth's references?

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Quote: - Originally Posted by P3RFECT -  When someone says they have proof. They must provide it. Even ignorant people.

People who actually think they found one really didn't. It was just their mistake. That they confused or biased. Or made a plain mistake. - I did, read back in this post, and others here by me. Although none of them by any measure covers what there is to know, for all the pieces to fall into place.
          Personally I would recommend warmly, the 5 volumes on the historical Moses from Ove von Spaeth. But for a better understanding of Moses, his reference list is a very good starting point and give you an idea of excactly how much work deciphering the ancients ideas and spirtuality is.
          http://www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/moses_bibliography_en.asp
I can claim to have read less than 1/3 of those books, and that is on Moses alone. My specialty is symbolism, and as such, Moses is not a very important part of my own study, but a part of it none the less.
          For a very good study on the fertility cults and Gnostic communities near the Dead Sea and their connection to Christianity, John M. Allegro's work are fabulous. He was headhunted to decipher the Dead Sea Scrolls being one of the best in his field, but when he started to write about what he really found in those scriptures as opposed to what the church wanted it to say, he was dropped like a hot potato.
          For a good historical view on Islam, though based on hadith litterature (hadith means stories, like Chinese whispers) Ibn Waraqs : why I'm not a muslim is mandatory reading. - And it goes on. For each point I have made, there is a whole field of study one have to undergo to get anywhere near the truth of the origins of these stories, and the question remains: do you want to know, and work hard for it, or is belief and comfort your path chosen.

abimelech, #92 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=5 -  (29.Jun.2007)

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Quote:  - Originally Posted by P3RFECT - Yup, it's full of those things. Recording and telling stories of those things that has happened. Did you want a pg Bible version?

It says there where ordained by God, which is impossible to belive. And you comfortably skipped the most of my last post to you, that gave you the information on how to get smart on these things. Have you read just one of the books in Ove von Spaeth's references? any of Allegros? if you havent, then you are operating on belief alone, and youre doing it in contrary to a mountain of evidence.
          Example, Gen.15:   2:23  And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.    2:24  And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
          So because the children were behaving like children do, God aprently send two she bears to slaughter them. But its all good, right?
          Edited: the word forty has been removed in this line "God aprently send two she bears to slaughter them."

abimelech, #98 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=5  -  (29.Jun.2007)

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Quote:  -  Originally Posted by adramelech  -  It says there where ordained by God, which is impossible to belive. And you comfortably skipped the most of my last post to you, that gave you the information on how to get smart on these things. have you read just one of the books in Ove von Spaeth's references? any of Allegros? if you havent, then you are operating on belief alone, and youre doing it in contrary to a mountain of evidence.

Impossible on what grounds? - You talk about go research this area. By not responding it doesn't mean I skipped it. Second, have you learned all the history of the Bible? Have you read the whole Bible. Have you done all the research on Ove von Spaeth's?
          So because, someone hasn't learned about somebody's researches, yet learned about hundred others things, means that person is only believing on faith alone?

P3RFECT, - #99, -  http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=5  -  (29.Jun.2007)

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Impossible on what grounds? - Second, have you learned all the history of the Bible? Have you read the whole Bible. Have you done all the research on Ove von Spaeth's?

Working with symbols, it is a very important book, as is the Quran, so thats a yes.

Quote:  -  So because, someone hasn't learned about someones researched yet learned about hundred others things means that person is only believing on faith alone?

If a particular research is important to understand a subject, then to some degree, yes. If you only read the reseach which confirm what you allready chose to belive, youre not really learning anything new. Im not saying that is what you do, but if you were really out to gain knowledge, the names dropped would have ringed a bell instantly.     ........  .......  .......

abimelech, #100 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=5  -  (30.Jun.2007)

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1.) So you learned all the history of the Bible? You read the whole Bible. You done all the research on Ove von Spaeth's?
2.) Not if that person isn't aware of such research.
3.) k
4.) I'm not to fond of the Quran but, specific names for these versus please.
          To claim a book isn't the word of God because, you don't believe it is doesn't mean it's false. Sorry.

P3RFECT, - #101 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=6  -  (30.Jun.2007)

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Quote:  -  Originally Posted by P3RFECT  -  1.) So you learned all the history of the Bible? You read the whole Bible.

Several times over, yes. But it is unclear to me what you mean with learned all the story of the Bible. I have read them several times yes.

Quote: - You done all the research on Ove von Spaeth's?

No, that is why scholars work together in faculty environments, so each scholars doesnt have to reinvent the wheel over and over. But I have read somewhere near 1/3 of the same litterature that brought him to his conclusions, and he is highly recomended on the theological faculties. If you want to take the, "how do you know if its true then" fallacy, then you don't think very highly of people who devoted their entire lifes to these subjects.

Quote:  -  2.) Not if that person isn't aware of such research.

Now you are, but what Ove is doing is sumerizing work conducted through 150 years, and it took him the better part of 15 years to do so.

abimelech, #102 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=6 -  (30.Jun.2007)

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Quote:  -  Originally Posted by P3RFECT  -  1.) Then say no, don't change the discussion by going to pagan cultures that aren't related to Christianity until after creation.

But they are in fact related. They are the very foundation upon which Christianity, and islam and Judaism is build.

Quote:  -  Here is a part comparison, http://tektonics.org/copycat/mithra.html

Yeah, I have seen it. had you carefully read my posts, you would know that I am well aware of this paper, and laughed when confronted with the DYO google search on acharya.s.

Quote:  -  2.) So you read everything the Scholars have done?

What scholars and on what subject specifically. My point with the litterature list is that each subject on its own, is subject to livetimes of study that in these years are being finnished and published, like Ove's.
          11 references on Mithra, most written by appologetics are excactly what I was reffering to in the acharya debate. This is not proper study, but fancyfull selection of facts, to fit ones own ideas. In faculty terms this is d- material.
          There are many good studies on Mithra and Christianity altso ones that reach the conclution that the interchange of ideas between Mithrites and Christians are superficial, but they are few.

P3RFECT, - #107 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=6  -  (1.Jul.2007)

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Quote:  -  Originally Posted by adramelech  -  1. yes we were
2.) the info at the bottom is the problem, and i have read 7 of those ref erences given, and the paper itself. That other people seem to echochamber eachothers mistakes on various new world order websites is nothing i want on me.
3.) what scholars, on which subject?

1.) You need to re-read buddy. We are talking about did you read all the Bible. You are incorrect.
2.) Wow, you must read really fast.
3.) Ove von Spaeth's, are you paying attention?

P3RFECT, - #114 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=6  -  (2.Jul.2007)

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Quote:  -  Originally Posted by P3RFECT  -  1.) And yet the quotes you make show the lack of knowledge in the Bible. I don't believe you have.

What quotes specifically, are we talking about? The direct quotations? mate, i didnt make those up nomatter how uncomfortable it may be to you that they are in there. This is just you being a yellow bellied coward, instead of pointing out my flaws, you just say that there are there....somwhere.

Quote: - 2.) Know the Bible could mean I know what the Bible is and what it represents. You have to be specific to say I know everything about the Bible.

And I haven't said that iI know everything about the bible, this is you posting a strawman. I have said i have read the bible, many times over. I even know parts of it by memory, this is stated 4 times by me, and i can find the quotations.

Quote:  -  Do you know the Lord of the Rings? yes, I know the lord of the rings. Doesn't mean I know everything about it. Just means I know it.

But having read it 15-20 times over for study, plus all the hours spent searching for specific parts, would mean i know it quite well, right?

Quote:  -  3.) But, you didn't answer the question. Do you know everything about that subject. Yes or No. It's easy to answer.

The subject of Ove's work? yes i do.    .......   .......   .......

adramelech, - #120 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=7  -  (3.Jul.2007)

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Quote:  -  Originally Posted by P3RFECT  -  1.)You done all the research on Ove von Spaeth's?

Quote: - Originally Posted by adramelech  -  No, that is why scholars work together in faculty environments, so each scholars doesnt have to reinvent the wheel over and over. But i have read somewhere near 1/3 of the same litterature that brought him to his conclusions, and he is highly recomended on the theological faculties.

Quote:  -  Originally Posted by P3RFECT  -  3.) But, you didn't answer the question. Do you know everything about that subject. Yes or No. It's easy to answer.

Quote:  -  Originally Posted by adramelech the subject of Ove's work? yes I do.

But, I thought you said you didn't know. Interesting?

P3RFECT, - #135  - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=7  -  (1.Jul.2007)

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Quote:  -  Originally Posted by P3RFECT  -  But, I thought you said you didn't know. Interesting?

Interresting that you would mix my answers like that - you say,

Quote:  -  1.) You done all the research on Ove von Spaeth's?

- and then you quote me on this:

Quote: - Originally Posted by adramelech - No. that is why scholars work together in faculty environments, so each scholars doesn't have to reinvent the wheel over and over. But I have read somewhere near 1/3 of the same litterature that brought him to his conclusions, and he is highly recomended on the theological faculties.

- which was the answer to this:

Quote:  -  1.) So you learned all the history of the Bible? You read the whole Bible. You done all the research on Ove von Spaeth's?

- The answer to von Spaeth was isolated here. But we both understand that we have gone past eachother, so you state,

Quote: - 1.) You need to re-read buddy. We are talking about did you read all the Bible. You are incorrect

- My answer:

Quote:  -  1. and I stated, "several times, yes"

- then finally you clarify the Ove von Spaeth part, showing you knew full well I was unsure of the question whicb is why I asked whom you mean

Quote:  -  3.) Ove von Spaeth's, are you paying attention?

- and I answer,

Quote:  -  3.) yes I have read his reasearch, his conclusions, AND I have debated him on them. We being from the same 5 million people country with 2 theological faculties, were he is a common guest speaker. Other than that trye using the quote function, it makes the whole thing a lot easier.

- but youre not being dishonest, and pigs can fly, and trees grow into heaven.

adramelech, - #139 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=8  -  (9.Jul.2007)

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Quote:  -  Originally Posted by adramelech  -  No, that is why scholars work together in faculty environments, so each scholars doesnt have to reinvent the wheel over and over. But I have read somewhere near 1/3 of the same litterature that brought him to his conclusions, and he is highly recomended on the theological faculties. - If you want to take the, "how do you know if its true then" fallacy, then you don't think very highly of people who devoted their entire lifes to these subjects.

- this is not the answer to this:  - Quote: - Originally Posted by P3RFECT - You done all the research on Ove von Spaeth's?
- but to this:  - Quote: - 1.) So you learned all the history of the Bible? You read the whole Bible. You done all the research on Ove von Spaeth's?
- and the answer come only after you defined on my request, that you meant know ALL the stories like people who have spend their entire lifes on it. obiously i have not spend my whole life on it.
          Why do you insist to distort what i said?

adramelech, - #142 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=8  -  (9.Jul.2007)

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Quote:  -  Originally Posted by adramelech  -  How is it not the answer. I gave a question and you responded to it with that post.

AND I said I was unsure what you meant. So when you defined I did as well, why is this so hard for you to fathom? - Your strawmen is not my mistake. - You said you was unsure with the Bible discussion not about the Ove-von-discussion. - I know calling it a strawmen is how you run away from a conversation but, that doesn't change your hypocrisy.

Quote:  -  Originally Posted by P3RFECT - You done all the research on Ove von Spaeth's?

Right here is your response to my question above Plain as Daylight

Quote:  -  Originally Posted by adramelech  -  No that is why scholars work together in faculty environments, so each scholars doesnt have to reinvent the wheel over and over. But i have read somewhere near 1/3 of the same litterature that brought him to his conclutsons, and he is highly recomended on the theological faculties. If you want to take the, "how do you know if its true then" fallacy, then you don't think very highly of people who devoted their entire lifes to these subjects.

You did not say, be more specific please during our whole conversation about the Ove-von.

Quote:  -  Originally Posted by P3RFECT  -  3.) But, you didn't answer the question. Do you know everything about that subject. Yes or No. It's easy to answer.

Quote:  -  Originally Posted by adramelech  -  the subject of Ove's work? yes i do.

Flip and Flop.

P3RFECT, - #145 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=8  -  (9.Jul.2007)

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Ahh, I can see where we're missing eachother...I thought you where reffering to his litterature, as having fact checked Ove. No, i have only read roughly 1/3 of the books in his litterature list, but scholars need to be able to trust eachother so they dont have to reinvent the wheel over and over.
          Your'e right, it was my mistake, but its not a flip flop. Just to make it blatantly clear,
1. I have read the Bible several times over, and studied parts of it in depth.
2. I have read Ove's Thesis (his work), but have not checked him for every fact, or less than 1/3 of it.
          Still you're free to belive about me what you want to, but try and spend less time on me, and my person and more time on the information I provide you with, thank you.
          Edit: Altso you have to keep in mind that English is my 5th language, so there are nuances that i miss sometimes, like its the case here.

adramelech, - #146 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=8  -  (9.Jul.2007)

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¤ nntp.it » Newsgroups it.discussioni - 23 Settembre 2009  -  raccomandazione:
Moses was a real person

Mortal Online Forums > Not related to Mortal Online > Off Topic
Do You Believe in God(s)?

Moses was a real person. - There is this http://www.moses-egypt.net/default.asp . -And the Bible.

Beld, - Member, (Join Date: Jun 2009,  Location: Somewhere, Age: 27) - 8th July 2009, 19:15 #883 (permalink) - http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/14094-do-you-believe-god-s-23.html  - (8.Jul.2009)

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Oh, my non-existing god... How on earth am I supposed to show you where it doesn't refer to Moses? How would that even be possible? "Here there's no reference, and not here and here and here and here and here...". You did not begin with saying where it does, and so I said it doesn't and provided sources for that as well as providing what the actual inscription talks about.
          That website is promotional for a series of books. If you want to claim there's proof for the existence of Moses there you have to point out what the proof is and where I can find it on the site. After a quick look I found nothing and what I read of his first book seems to be mostly fiction, as he somehow has a lot of details about the life of Moses that nobody has ever heard of.
          Oh, yeah the Bible.... I forgot that it has that list of historical sources in the back that proves anything. Or, wait?

Sando, - Member, (Join Date: Mar 2009, Location: Finland, Age: 21) - 8th July 2009, 19:46 #884 (permalink) - - http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/14094-do-you-believe-god-s-23.html  - (8.Jul.2009)

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I just want to point out that there are some historical fact in the Bible. The Egyptians, The Cannaanites, The Red Sea, - and there are real cities....

Beld, - Member, (Join Date: Jun 2009,  Location: Somewhere, Age: 27) - 11th July 2009, 21:37 #890 (permalink)  - http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/14094-do-you-believe-god-s-23.html  - (8.Jul.2009)





 
 
3  DEBATE AND NEWS ON OVE VON SPAETH'S DATING THE OLDEST EGYPTIAN STAR MAP
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¤ Saturnian Cosmology, Notes on the chronology, 5 August 2007 -  reference:
Saturnian Cosmology

Saturnian Cosmology --Jno Cook - Appendix: Notes on the chronology - Copyright © 2007 Jno Cook - URL of this page: http://saturniancosmology.org/chron.php
This page last updated: Sunday, August 5th, 2007

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On Saturnian Cosmology. The Egyptians had apparently established a calendar after 2349 BC, and in this era divide the dome of the stars into 36 segments to mark time (at night), which later became known as "decans" by the Greeks, because they are 10 degrees apart across a 360 degree sky. These are first shown in the tomb of Senmut, 1473 BC, the Calendar Registrar and Vizier to Queen Hatshepsut. [note 32]
          For an analysis of the images see Ove von Spaeth: "Dating The Oldest Egyptian Star Map", Centaurus, V42 (2000). Von Spaeth notes that the rock cut tomb was abandoned during construction in 1493 BC. The central portion depicts the circumpolar constellations. The circles represent 12 months (of 24 divisions each). A portion of the decans and planets are shown on the bottom. Von Spaeth suggests the planets show a conjunction of all the planets, except Mars, in 1534 BC. Later tombs duplicate this arrangement when the conjunction is repeated (with Mars).

jno Cook, - Saturnian Cosmology - Appendix: Notes on the chronology, - saturniancosmology.org/chron.php  - & -  jno@saturniancosmology.org  -  (5.Aug,2007)

       
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¤ Crystalinks.com, Metaphysical and Science Website, World Axis and Ancient Sky, 28 June 2007 -  info:
World Axis and Ancient Sky

Posted. Thank You!
From: Ellie [mailto:ecrystal@nyc.rr.com]
Sent: 28. June 2007 18:14
To: info@moses-egypt.net
Subject: axis mundi

Crystalinks: The Dragon and the Pearl, Axis Mundi, Identifying Hatshepsut's Mummy, -  http://www.crystalinks.com/elliesworld.html
          Axis Mundi goes to the Rod of Asclepius or Rod of Hermes, the symbol of medicine. The similar caduceus or staff is the axis itself, and the serpent (or serpents) are the guardians or guides to the other realm. It is a common shamanic concept, the healer traversing the axis mundi to bring back knowledge from the other world.
          The axis mundi connects heaven and earth as well as providing a path between the two. The axis mundi is commonly represented as a rope, tree, vine, ladder, pillar or staff, among other things. - Sometimes, depending on representation and belief system, the axis mundi is considered explicitly male or even phallic. - Many religious structures explicitly mimic axis mundi.

          Structures such as maypoles in pre-Christian Europe, linked to the Saxons' Irminsul, and totem poles among Pacific Northwest Native Americans also formed local or temporary world axes.
- Other times a specific plant is considered the axis mundi.
          In some Pacific island cultures the banyan tree, of which the Bodhi tree is of the Sacred Fig variety, is the abode of ancestor spirits. The Bodhi Tree is also the name given to the tree under which Gautama Siddhartha, the historical Buddha, sat on the night he attained enlightenment. 
          Other corrolaries include Yggdrasil of Norse mythology, Jievaras of Lithuanian mythology, the pre-Christian Germanic peoples' Thor's Oak, the Sefirot of Judaism, the Chakras common to many Eastern religions, and the Trees of Life and Knowledge of Good and Evil in the Garden of Eden.
          Examples of Axis Mundi: World Axis and Ancient Sky: http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut5-world-axis_en.asp ,The Mystery About the Senmut Star Map

Ellie Crystal, - Metaphysical and Science Website, crystalinks.com, Created and Designed by Ellie Crystal. Copyright 1995-2007, - Axis Mundi - http://www.crystalinks.com/axismundi.html   -& -  http://www.crystalinks.com/dragonaxismundihat.html  -  (28.Jun.2007)

¤ Discussiongroup - Ancient & Lost Civilizations: astronomy - August 2007  -  debate:
The Great Pyramid-Ancient Observatory?

"Ancient & Lost Civilizations" - The Great Pyramid - Ancient Observatory?
This thread is in the mysterious forum group.
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The Great Pyramid-Ancient Observatory? - Has any one heard the theory that the Great pyramid was used as an Astronomical Observatory? This seems to be the most logical explanation to me so far.
          With the pyramid approximately half built (summit of the Grand gallery)with a truncated top they used the Grand Gallery to observe the stars, a meridian slot .The observer would have been able to watch the transit of each star as it passed. A reflecting pool at the bottom would have been used to note the exact time of its transit.
          This theory also explains the notches cut along the Gallery ramp, 27 watchers used the notches for a bench. This would have been a very accurate method of recording the heavens.

earth2  - posted on 16-6-2007 @ 10:47 PM  - http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread287544/pg  - (16.Jun.2007)

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Alternatively, you could use a stick and a piece of string.

Marduk - posted on 18-6-2007 @ 03:22 AM  - http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread287544/pg  - (18.Jun.2007)

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          Yea, you can find the north star with a string but the Egyptians knew about the 26000 year precession of the equinoxes. And I dont think you can do that with a string. To me that takes very precise measurements. The pyramid is as close to a modern telescope as you can get.
          This is an interior view of the Grand gallery showing how it could have been used to observe the sky at night.
          There is also a theory that the chamber beneath was used to take the time measurements where it remains 68 degrees and constant barometric pressure is held. Which would be required to take exact time measurements. This is how the pyramid originally looked.

earth2  - posted on 15-8-2007 @ 10:10 PM  - http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread287544/pg  - (15.Aug.2007)

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          No, haven't heard that one. - They didn't make any good star maps (unlike the Sumerians, who did have observatories) and they didn't record the movement of the planets with any accuracy. Societies with sophisticated observatories do both those things.
          Aye... but take a look at the maps of the sky we have from the ancient Egyptians:
www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut-files_survey_en.asp
          They're not very accurate. It's hard to make out what they assigned to which groups of stars (the lion *might* be our constellation, Scorpio) and what distance they are from each other.
          And they don't seem to have known about the precession of the equinoxes. The Maya did, however. They had superb observatories.

Byrd  - posted on 16-8-2007 @ 09:28 PM  - http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread287544/pg  - (16.Aug.2007)

The mysterious forum group. - This thread is in a forum moderated by: Umbrax, junglejake, Spiderj, thelibra, Duzey, Jbird, kleverone.

¤ News Service, Astrological Museum  -  23 May 2010  -  recommendation:
A treasure trove of collected knowledge - e-books
on star traditions - a fantastic online library

News Service, The Copenhagen Astrological Museum, the worlds first museum of astrology. Founded in 1999 in order to provide the public with a proven knowledge of the astrological profession and its history. The museum monitors the international publications, and institutions of  research projects, and ongoing debate on research. _

Short news, data and communications from the museum
Sunday 23 May 2010
eBooks about star knowledge in history

The museum has now established information of an amazing online directory with brief and deeply serious e-books for free download. It consists of works written by astrologer and historian Ove von Spaeth, and they can all be downloaded here:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/zenith-files_en/e-books_group1_en.asp

This is a treasure trove of collected knowledge about astrology and history. In addition to 'star knowledge in history' there are are also books about 'the cosmos and reincarnation', 'The Pleiades stars and Atlantis' and 'decoding of the world's oldest star map". And it may also be of interest to look at this group works:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/zenith-files_en/e-books_group2_en.asp

The Copenhagen Astrological Museum,  -  News Service, - http://astrologiskmuseum.blogspot.com/  -  (23.May.2010)

¤ Historical riddle  -  23 May 2010  -  question:
Horrible event and heliacal Sirius on Pharmuthi 26th

In a book printed in 1982, I found a statement that something horrible occurred in Egypt in a year when the heliacal rising of Sirius occurred on the date Pharmuthi 26. Yes, I have tried to contact the author.
          When Persia invaded Egypt, the heliacal rising of Sirius presumably occurred on Pharmuthi 26. But I have the impression that the story is older. Which would mean that the horrible event occurred in the mid or late 19th century BCE.
          Some early printed books mention either a comet or the Greek god Phaethon at this time, but none mention month or day. I have checked Manetho, and for dynasty 12 he makes clear that there was one king which later became legendary. But, not any text to my knowledge mentions Pharmuthi 26.
          I checked on the internet, but only found that many early Christians in Egypt believed that Jesus was born or alternatively died on Pharmuthi 24, 25 or 26. Since you are so familiar with the relevant literature, I guessed you have seen the "Pharmuthi 26" story somewhere.
From Pharaoh Sesostris III an indication exists that Sirius had its heliacal rise during the month of Pharmuthi.
          Göran Johansson, - Astronomer, Sweden. - Sun 23 May 2010 19:41 - (23.May.2010).
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-- Thanks for the interesting information. - Preliminarily I can say that the dates of Pharmuthi 24, 25, or 26 certainly have to do with Easter (and thus the crucifixion of Jesus - obviously correct, according to the early Christians of Egypt) since the Pharmuthi is the eighth months in the Coptic calendar (being Pa-n-mn-t or Renwet as the Egyptian eighth month) and is placed from approx. 27th March till 25th April.
          Regarding the incident in the 1800's BC, I am having this examined by Egyptology. But it was hard to find something here in this case. I will let you know if more can be discovered.
But is your source correct? Sirius rises heliacally (with the Sun rising) after the famous 70 days ("the dog days"), i.e. in August and probably not in April. We should obtain more information.
          In a later part of Egyptian history, when Parmuthi was a spring month, an existing source has 27th Parmutit as: "End of the World by Sekhmet".
          It seems that the "terrible day" is a festival of the dreaded goddess with lion's head, Sekhmet. Maybe in this context it's just the featuring of the expression "terrible" that could have made some misunderstanding to develop.
          Regarding Pharaoh Sesostris III:  -- Khakhaure Senusret III (also written as Senwosret III or Sesostris III) was a Pharaoh of Egypt ruling from 1878 BC to 1839 BC.
          Ove von Spaeth  -
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Thank you very much. I tried to find the book you wrote about ancient Egyptian astronomy but unfortunately had no Swedish research libraries bought it.
          I think you have largely solved the problem. My source of Pharmuthi 26th has accidentally pict the wrong day. So instead he should have written Pharmuthi 27th.
          If the festival was known and practised in 1800 BC, or earlier, the event would of course be related to the year when Sirius had his heliacal rise on that particular date.
          Göran Johansson,  - Astronomer, Sweden. -  Mon 24 May 2010 20:23  -  (24.May.2010).

¤ eastside astronomy society, June 2007  -  reference:
moses-egypt.net - book-series

Eastside astronomy society, a ptolemy's astronomy resource
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The History of Physics
... The works of Ptolemy (Astronomy) and Aristotle (Physics) were also found to not always match everyday observations. An example of this is an arrow flying through the air after leaving a bow ...
www.newsdial.com/science/physics/physics-history.html

Facts about Ove von Spaeth's 5-volume work on the historical Moses
... research still in use today, is a piece of work, in French, by Delambre from 1819 about Ptolemy's astronomy. Besides, it was essential to Ove von Spaeth's investigations that in Denmark's Royal ... http://www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/moses_info+faq_en.asp

Vault of Heaven Star Map
... Vault of Heaven." This was meant to represent astronomy, science fiction, the alien, the night and ... ... were largely drawn by the Greek astronomer Ptolemy, with others added over the years from other ... http://www.templetons.com/brad/starmap.html

eastside astronomy society, - astronomyhere, ptolemy, http://www.astronomyhere.info/ptolemysastronomy/  -  (June,2007)

       
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¤ Welcome to Wikibin, on Wayne Herschel  -  autumn 2009,  -  survey: 
It is built, in part, upon the work of Ove von Spaeth

Wayne Herschel:
          Born in 1959, Wayne now resides in cape town, South Africa. He is an amature astronomer and symbologist. Herschel is the co-author of the book The Hidden Records.
Publications:
          Herschel's work regarding the purported pyramid star map connection is embodied in the self-published work The Hidden Records. It is built, in part, upon the work of Ove von Spaeth, comparative star patterns which are purported to match architectural monument layouts, and work by Robert Bauval known as Orion Correlation Theory (OCT). Bauval's theory claims that the three middle stars in star constellation Orion's belt mirror the position and scale of the three largest pyramids of the Giza pyramid complex in Egypt.
          Herschel argued that Bauval's theory could be applied in a much larger context and he claims to demonstrate that detailed star maps are represented in:  nearly all Egyptian Pyramids; pyramids in Tikal, Guatemala; Teotihuacan, Mexico; Angkor, Cambodia; ancient mound structures near and related to Stonehenge.
          In his latest claims, Herschel says he has deciphered an important pictogram from a grimoire called the Key of Solomon (British Library Oriental MS 14759, dated to the 17th or 18th century), which Herschel takes to reveal similar secrets about the "celestial origins of humanity".
Reception:
          Herschel has been interviewed by local and regional African periodicals such as The Sunday Argus,  The Daily News,  and Sunday Times KZN,.
          He has been guest on several talk radio shows including Coast to Coast AM,  Unknown Country,  RedIce,  and The Hillary Raimo Show.

Wikibin, -Welcome to Wikibin, - concerning "Wayne Herschel" - pm - http://wikibin.org/articles/wayne-herschel.html   -  (autumn,2009)

¤ Thunderbolts Forum  -  5 February 2011   -  ideas for our attention:
The Pleiades Constellation and Senmut's Star Map

Thunderbolts Forum  - For discussion of Electric Universe and Plasma Cosmology  -  Board index ‹ New Insights and Mad Ideas - Bill McDonald's General Composite of the Roswell Spacecraft - http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3947&start=105   •  512 posts  •  Page 8 of 35

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?
                                                                                              Moderators: arc-us, MGmirkin
The Pleiades Constellation and Senmut's Star Map
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut4-history_en.asp 
          (Excerpts of the Ove von Spaeth texts and findings:)
          In all ancient Mediterranean civilizations the constellation known to us as the Pleiades had a most important role. It served as a celestial marker or sign for one of the year's great events, i.e. the springtime's arriving rain or flood. In fact, these stars were thought to be connected, in a meta-astrological sense, with the concept "blessing".
          Thus the Pleiades were signalling and initiating "the wet season" which then became more enhanced by other signals from a next following star group, the Hyades, in Greek 'to rain'.
          Later in antiquity, Greek and Roman authors enjoyed to write about the especial popular stellar group of the Pleiades, to which there already existed several mythological accounts.
          Some of the Egyptian temples have been constructed in a way connecting to the star of Sirius when - each year in the summer after a period of invisibility of 70 days - Sirius rose together with the sun (i.e. Sirius's Heliacal rising) that the light would travel down the temples' main corridor and reach the innermost sanctum of the temple. Here, Sirius would in that moment place its light at the altar, and this light from Sirius (Sothis) was then considered as being transformed into Sobdet which is the name of Sirius as Egyptian star god. This divinity was a special version of Isis, the greatest goddess.
          Also, it is the case with the Egyptian temple of Isis in Denderah, a temple build as a copy of more ancient temples. Similarly here when the altar was lighted by the beam, the star Sirius (Sothis) was thought to be transformed into the divinity Sobdet.
          On the basis of the same understanding a similar principle was already involved in connection with previously mentioned Hatshepsut's Temple of Hathor, which with its axis directed at the line of winter solstice, even also could receive the beams of the (in the mythology: seven) Stars of the Pleiades. This was interpreted in a way that the light consisting of the seven beams were being transformed into the Egyptian celestial goddess Hathor's seven female judges to judge mankind.
          Even though we can only see 6 Pleiades in the sky it is a fact that all the way from Greece throughout to the South Pacific, and - notice - also in Pre-Columbian North America, accounts everywhere tell about "the seven stars of which one is gone". ... ...
         (>>> Continue here: http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut4-history_en.asp )

Lizzie, - Sat Feb 05, 2011 6:32 pm  - (Posts: 2868 - Joined: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:55 am) Bill McDonald's General Composite of the Roswell Spacecraft  -  http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3947&start=105   -  (5.Feb.2011).

¤ abovetopsecret.com  -  18 May 2010  -  debate:
The Egyptian astronomical system - Spaeth, Bauval, Hancock ...

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/  - This topic is in the [HOAX!] discussion forum. (rss) - Alleged NASA-Affiliated Astronomer Deciphers 'Intelligence' Signal From Nearby Stars
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- reply posted on 18-5-2010 @ 10:58 AM by dcmb1490
          Hello, - I don't think Cosmicpixie is part of this. But the rest of the original cast, stink to high heaven in a bid to sell books, IMO.
          I'm digging and digging and it smells worse the deeper you go. IMO the radio signal tied into the book and was going to reveal something to shoot sales to the moon or to Karne's home world.
I'm currently researching:
          1.  Birgitt Lederer - Lives with Wayne Herschel in South Africa and translates German into English. Co-wrote the hidden records.
          2.  WR Fix - A king (going back more than 4000 years) referred to in author WR Fix’s book,‘Star Maps’,corroborates exactly Wayne’s theory that the Pleiades star cluster is the legendary ‘Leg of the Bull’ constellation that was revered by the Egyptians as the imperishable.
         3.  James Van Gruenen,Wayne Herschel, mr michael hesemann, Judy Faltskog - R. Lee, The Aenstrean Revelations, Kalihari incident, James Forbes, Cristo Louw, Benita van Eyssen, Elizabeth Klarer, Ove von Spaeth, Robert Bauval, Graham Hancock, Roy Bodie, Dr I.E.S. Edwards, Adrian Gilbert.

          Wayne Herschel claims the Sphinx is Leo in star charts (not new others claimed this before him) He seems to state a lot of previous therories, he just put them all together in a book.
          One quick debunk:  "Also, zodiac constellations are not Egyptian, and there is no evidence that Leo was recognized as a lion by anyone, least of all Egyptians, 12,500 years ago."
          The Egyptian astronomical system was completely different from the Mesopotamian scheme that eventually gave us the zodiac. The oldest Egyptian representations of a lion constellation are New Kingdom, and there is good evidence that the Lion is not Leo. The zodiac we know was not introduced into Egypt until the Ptolemaic period, and it is a Graeco-Roman transplant.
          "If the star-aligned shafts in the Great Pyramid tell us the Egyptians wanted the north sides of their pyramids to face the northern sky, and south sides of their pyramids to face the southern sky, why would they arrange Giza with the southernmost pyramid matching the most northern star of the Belt and vice-versa? If the Egyptians intended the Giza pyramids and the Sphinx to reflect the arrangement of the sky in 10,500 B.C., why is the Sphinx on the wrong side of the Nile? In fact, Bauval and Gilbert had to turn a map of Egypt upside-down to get the Giza pyramids to match the stars in the Orion Belt."   - source:  www.margaretmorrisbooks.com...
          0ALIGNMENT - Anyway still digging and money,websites,books,etc (the almighty dollar) appears to be the real motivator in this story. 

dcmb1490, - abovetopsecret, posted on 18-5-2010 @ 10:58 AM  -  http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread567583/pg67 - (18.May.2010)

¤ Answers Home - Forum - Astronomy & Space, 16 October 2007  -  references:
The 3500 year-old Egyptian star map - see it here

Answers Home - Forum - Astronomy & Space - http://au.answers.yahoo.com
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I want to know who has make the first atlas book for space ... .

noha z, - Answers Home, (member since: 01 December 2006) - http://answers.yahoo.com.au/question/index?qid=20071016110031AAaxuo8  -  (16.Oct.2007)

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Answerer 2
          The oldest known writing that would qualify as a map in the way we think of it today is this: http://www.chinapage.com/astronomy/chart/celestialchart.html . This is a map that was drawn up in approximately thirteenth century China. 
          There are also much older descriptions of the heavens, limited charts, and so on. Probably the oldest of these is a 3500 year-old Egyptian inscription on the ceiling of an ancient tomb. You can see it here: http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut1-mapdate_en.asp

canopus, - Answers Home, (member since: 02 October 2007) - http://answers.yahoo.com.au/question/index?qid=20071016110031AAaxuo8  -  (16.Oct.2007)

¤ The Danish Astropaedia, - Biographies: Sophie Brahe, - September 2006 - article:
Von Spaeth's very meticulous investigation

The Danish Astropaedi/Biographies: Sophie Brahe - 1559-1643.
          We have only Tycho Brahe's statement about her age. It can be found in a later addition (at the earliest from 1588) to his first work on De Nova Stella, in which he brags a bit about his intelligent young sister and mentions that at the age of only 14 in 1573 she assisted him in his observations of a lunar eclipse predicted by him to occur. - Based on this source Sophie was borne in 1559.
          Many speculations on her birthday exist. The 24th August is often suggested, but also other dates are mentioned. (The French astronomer) Gassendi, Tycho's first biographer, mentions a date of birth three years prior to that, i.e. 22nd September, 1556. However, Tycho's statement is generally accepted, but doubt arises. However, a third source can be used.
          In a very meticulous investigation Ove von Spaeth, the historian also with astronomical knowledge, has analysed Tycho Brahe's poem, the "Urania Titani" (translated by Peter Zeeberg, 1994). To his surprise and based on astronomical data he found in the poem that only the two dates mentioned could exactly match such constellations and positions that could be deducted from the texts. Now he could add the connecting times of the birth; these were both around sunrise. On this basis the only possible sets of data are the following: a) 24th August, 1559 at 5:20 o'clock  - & -  b) 22nd September, 1556 at 5:25 o'clock.
          In order to establish criteria for choosing between the two sets of data, Ove von Spaeth compares them to known data for both her brother Tycho Brahe, and her son, Tage Thott and in addition the more uncertain data for her fiancée, Erik Lange. None of them presented usable results - yet 1559 seemed a bit more likely. Astrologically it is possible to agree with Ove von Spaeth (and Tycho) about the set of data from 1559 ...

The Danish Astropaedia, - Biographies: Sophie Brahe (the sister of Tycho Brahe) - www.asmu.dk/pmwiki/pmwiki.php?n=Main.SophieBrahe  - & -  Claus Holmberg, - Specialist History: Sophia Brahe - "Sophie", Information Letter of Astrology Museum, No. 16, pages 2-3 - www.asmu.dk/Download/nyhedsbrev/4.aar/Sophie16.pdf  -  (Sep.2006)

       
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¤ Golden Age Today  -  October 2008  -  historical info: 
The Hathor temple and the Pleiades

Welcome to the third edition of Golden Age Today. We have just released a new selection of articles for the October-November issue. Our latest selection covers such diverse topics as the Precession of the Equinoxes, the dimensions of the shadow world and ...
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Golden Age Today - Oct-Nov 2008
The Pleiades
Written by Hans Konstapel

          "... The Temple of Hathor in the ancient city of Denderah was dedicated to the goddess of love and the stars of Hathor: the Pleiades. A star clock in the temple celebrates the Pleiades, marking the greater center on which our solar system revolves, taking 25,827.5 years to complete one cycle.

http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut4-history_en.asp (The Map of the Temple of Hathor).

          In Egypt, in the year 2170 BC, on the first day of spring, at precisely midnight. the Pleiades were visible through the south passageway of The Great Pyramid. Cheops contains fascinating mathematical correlations to the Pleiades including, the seven mystical chambers. ..."

Hans Konstapel, (22-4-1951, 1:02, Leiden), - personal website: hans.wyrdweb.eu - http://goldenagetoday.com/departments/golden-age-articles/36-article-page/327-the-pleiades  - (Oct.2008)

¤ Swicki Directory, Eurekster, June 2007  -  directory:
Now revealed in Ove von Spaeth's papers

Swicki community powered - take a tour - get your own swicki - explore swicki directory - about eurekster - login - Hatshepsut : Senmut
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Steward Senmut,
Senmut is shown squatting with his robe wrapped around his knees, the typical ... Senmut is one of the well-known characters of Egypt of the New Kingd...
http://www.homestead.com/wysinger/senmut.html
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World-axis, Senmut and sky tradition,
Ancient information traces contained in Senmut's star map, now revealed in Ove von Spaeth's book-series "Assassinating Moses"
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut5-world-axis_en.asp
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Egypt: Archaeology,
... Senmut, was the lovely Djeser-Djeseru (part of a complex of buildings ...
http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/egyptarchaeology/
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Senmut,
El cuerpo de Senmut había sido momificado según la tradición y, entre ... Osiris recibió el alma de Senmut casi sin inmutarse, este último tenía ... ...  Lyzzie: Julio 2004 Archivos
http://www.zonalibre.org/blog/Lyzzie/archives/2004_07.html

Swicki Directory, Eurekster, - http://hatshepsut-swicki.eurekster.com/Senmut/  -  (June,2007)

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¤ forum.ateista, Poland, egipskim astronomom - 23 October 2007 - opinions:
Egyptian astronomers' ability to predict solar eclipses

www.forum.ateista.pl - Poland - Forum Ateista.pl > Światopogląd > Bóg vs. Ateista
- Dyskusje na temat rywalizacji ateizmu z wiarą.  - "egipskim astronomom"
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"The God Delusion", Richard Dawkins
"The End of Faith", Sam Harris
"Granice niewiary", Jan Woleński
"Przekonania religijne", Bohdan Chwedeńczuk

........... Tak samo jak Dawkins pod pojęciem "religia" rozumie Hitchens to z czym ma na co dzień do czynienia. Czyli fundamentalistyczne sekty czcicieli papierowego cielca, oraz muzułmanów. Inne religie zna raczej ze słyszenia, choć cokolwiek negatywnego o nich może napisać to napisze Jak bumerang wraca sprawa rzekomych "afer pedofilnych" w KrK, chociaz co to ma mieć wspólnego z religią ni cholery nie można się domyślić. Religia zabrania duchownym krk jakichkolwiek kontaktów seksualnych. Co oczywiscie tez jest przedstawione jako "zło" i hitchens nie widzi tu żadnej sprzecznośc Ksiązka poza tym aż roi się od przeróżnego kalibru błędów merytorycznych (np przypisuje egipskim astronomom z czasów faraonów umiejetność przewidywania zacmień słońca). W sumie książkowy szmelc

pilaster, Biskup, - Zarejestrowany: Feb 2006 - Posty: 1 683  http://www.forum.ateista.pl/showthread.php?t=3301  -  18:50  - (23.Oct.2007)

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          Cytat:
          np przypisuje egipskim astronomom z czasów faraonów umiejetność przewidywania
          zacmień słońca

hmm a nie potrafili? To taki mit kulturowy? W sensie wiesz, jakos tak powszechnie sie uwaza ze potrafili...
          W necie znalazlem na szybko:
Diodorus Siculus (200 A.D.), stated categorically that the ancient Egyptian astronomers possessed the ability to predict solar eclipses.
edit: e cos tu bezsensu jest, Siculus nie zyl wcale 200 AD...

edit: ok, inna strona podaje ta sama wiadomosc z data 20 BC

http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2-faq_en.asp#II

Kilgore Trout, Antypapież, - Zarejestrowany: Apr 2005 - Posty: 3 618  - http://www.forum.ateista.pl/showthread.php?t=3301  -  21:54  -  (23.Oct.2007)

¤ crassus.dk, topic: 'time' - dating, Spring 2008  -  tips, references:
Theme 'Time' - Dating

http://www.crassus.dk/datering.html  Topic: 'Time' - Dating (how old is this object?)
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When you are searching for material of relevance for a dating project, the text below are suggesting some examples regarding what to find of relevant information at the Internet (document and picture material)
          Searching via Google.com using the word "date" gives a lot of information - for instance,
Dating by carbon-14 method   http:/da.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbon-date
          (Denmark was the first country in Europe to develop the method - by use of a Geiger-Müller-counter and later by the so-called accelerator method.)http:/www.phys.au.dk/quotation/drug/ams.pdf   The amount from C-14 to the atmosphere has varied in the course of time. Try defining the diagram below: Mass spectrometri and carbon-14 http:/www.viby-gym.dk/physics/ams2/ams.htm
          Dating results concerning the Tollund-man  http:/www.tollundmanden.dk/carbon-14.asp

          Dating Egypt's oldest star-map. Dating code discovered in the world's oldest star.map, in a 3.500-year Egyptian tomb: The map have by a special method been dated for the first time ... http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut1-mapdate_en.asp

          (Of all the isotopic dating methods in use today, the uranium-lead method is the oldest and, when done carefully, the most reliable. Unlike any other method, ...).
          Radiometric dating (Wikipedia) about dating by use of radioactive isotops. - Contains a huge list of possible methods.
          Date of petrifactions ('fossils') by means of uran-238.
          Dates beyond 1000-year old potsherds - try termoluminiscense method (search 'dating ceramics' or 'termolumiscens').  - Date of fossils (forsteninger) by means of uran-238. Dates from drilling in the ice of Greenland or Antarctic - http:/www.isogklima.nbi.ku.dk/om_centeret/the affair  and  http:/www.phys.au.dk/quotation/pgdn/climate/iskerner.htm

crassus, - 12/5-08 NW, http://www.crassus.dk/datering.html  -  (Spring,2008)

       
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¤ cosmic-web.blogspot, An Egyptian Star-map, 2 May 2006  -  reference:
On the Oldest Egyptian Star Map

Searching For Truth: http://cosmic-web.blogspot.com/2006_05_01_archive.html The postings here are designed to thought provoke the reader. The path of truth covers subjects (and more): ancient history, enlightenment, newage, mystics, metaphysics, occult, esoteric,wisdom, healing, paranormal, NWO, UFO's,abductions,aliens, angels, ascension; cosmic consciousness,truth,chemtrails,dimensions,OBE,teachings,spiritual karma and similar.This blog associating: http://360.yahoo.com/dimensional_tourist
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To: spirit_truths@yahoogroups.co.uk . Reference:  An Egyptian Star-map. V021 7 March 2002. "An Egyptian Star-map - By Ove von Spaeth, Independent Scholar, Denmark."
          The astronomical knowledge of the ancient Egyptians turns out to be surprisingly broader than previously imagined. According to a new analysis, the world's oldest star-map seems to contain information of an actual celestial event of its time. This recent discovery uncovers the earliest exact scientific description of an otherwise rare but not unknown celestial phenomenon.
          This 3,500 year old star-map which decorates one of the ceilings in the tomb of the great Senmut (or Senenmut) near Luxor (Thebes), apparently demonstrates a previously unknown aspect of the astronomical situation in Egypt around 1,500 BC. This revelation is the result of investigations, the full report of which was published in Centaurus the International Journal of the History of Science - ( Ove von Spaeth, "Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map,") vol. 42:3,  2000 : 159-179 )

          The map's configurations, which previously have been considered mostly as mythological displays, are now disclosed to be an accurate depiction of a rare gathering of planets in well-defined celestial positions. The information contained in the map refers to a specific point in time. The re-evaluation of this and subsequent maps gives birth to new perspectives: by introducing these new reference points in time, the appropriate chronology for the epoch in question, which otherwise has been much disputed, can now be dated with considerably greater precision than heretofore possible.
          The well-known Egyptian star map in question was worked out by Senmut, who was the vizier to queen Hatshepsut and also the calendar registrar of Egypt, during the 18th dynasty (16th c. BCE). The recently decoded material can be objectively proven, based on modern astronomical calculations, to depict important astronomical circumstances. It has now become clear that the map of Senmut neither depicts an arbitrary gathering of planets in the sky nor is it a copy of a pattern eventually made by Senmut's predecessors.

          Since this stellar-map describes a planetary conjunction (i.e. a close encounter of the planets) where a unique pattern of the positions of the planets are concentrated within a defined sector of the sky, it therefore contains information unmistakably related to a fixed point in time, which it has been possible to calculate as May 1534 BCE. According to the analysis, this dating is additionally supported by the map's record of a simultaneous solar eclipse.
          Modern astronomical methods confirm this interpretation with great precision: accordingly, the map of Senmut must be acknowledged as one of history's oldest recorded scientific achievements.
          Subsequently produced Egyptian star-maps seem to confirm this discovery. Created under the reign of several pharaohs, during 300 years or more after the first map, they exhibit Senmut's principle of depicting a planetary conjunction. This seems to be a now forgotten tradition since these younger star-maps occur only in the reign of those pharaohs, such as Ramses II, where actual conjunctions of the relevant type appeared in the Egyptian sky.

          The study concludes as follows: The Senmut map depicts an exceptional event in the sky. This seems to have produced a prototype for all later pictures of similar celestial events - but with one exception: In the first depiction, in the time of Senmut, Mars is retrograde in the west when the other planets assemble around Sirius in the east. So far has been demonstrated:
          1. The Senmut maps contain a cosmological and astro-mythological expression not only as decoration - as hitherto assumed - but also as a picture of a particular and unique situation in the sky.
          2.  This configuration of the sky can be exactly dated: 1534 BC. Furthermore, one particular day can be identified if the solar eclipse is included as indication.

In addition the star maps may contribute to a better dating of their creator Senmut and also of the contemporary Egyptian pharaohs - at least accurate to within a decade. Author's Web Page: _ http://www.moses-egypt.net  _

PetSpectrum,  -  PetSpectrum@aol.com - Date: 02-May-2006 12:07  - Subject: [spirit_truths] An Egyptian Star-map  -  Searching For Truth: - cosmic-web blogspot - http://cosmic-web.blogspot.com/2006_05_01_archive.html  -  (2.May.2006)

¤ exalto#clear.net.nz  -  5 June 2010   -  Senmut map:
Groundbreaking work

Dear Mr. von Spaeth, - I refer to previous communications between us about 4 years ago. In the meantime I have finished writing my book with the title Ipso Facto, which consists of two parts. The first part deals with matters from the Old Testament, the second part with the New Testament. For the first part, in which I acknowledge your groundbreaking work in regard to determining Moses' year of birth, I seek your permission to use your photo of the Senmut stellar-map, southern panel TT 353. Subject to your permission it will appear in the book with the usual acknowledgements. If you permit the use of the photo, could you please send it to me by e-mail or PDF file. I look forward to receiving your reply. Yours faithfully,

Don Leichel5. juni 2010 02:07 -New Zealand, - (5.Jun.2010)

¤ Egyptian map > Egypt map and information page, spring 2007  -  collection:
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Egyptian map > map of egypt and egypt map and information page ... Ove von Spaeth's decoding of the Senmut star map was received with a great ...  Top Destinations © 2007
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#Main Map of Ancient Egypt
Hyperlink map of sites and cities in ancient Egypt from Minnesota State University.
www.mnsu.edu/emuseum/prehistory/egypt/maps/mainmap.html

#Ingenta Connect Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map
Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map. Author: von Spaeth, O. Source: Centaurus, Volume 42, Number 3, July 2000, pp. 159-179(21) .
www.ingentaconnect.com/content/

#Pyramids and Temples with Maps
Egypt, pyramids, the pharaohs and temple reconstructions. . There are also many interactive ground plan maps, photos, paintings and drawings from my .
www.eyelid.co.uk/pyr-temp.htm

#Egypt Map from our Online Atlas of the World - National Geographic
Egypt Map from our Online Atlas of the World by National Geographic.
http://www3.nationalgeographic.com/

#Star map * Egypt * Spaeth
The oldest star map in the world is Egyptian. - It is from the time of Moses, in the 15th century BC - and it contains precise astronomical data of .
www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut-files_survey_en.asp

#FAQ: Dating Egypt's Oldest Star Map
Ove von Spaeth's decoding of the Senmut star map was received with a great interest and have been acknowledged and disputed as well.
www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2-faq_en.asp

#Map with Ancient Egyptian city names through the Nile Valley
Map with ancient Egyptian cities in the Nile valley with the ancient Egyptian names and cities.
www.egyptmyway.com/maps/ancient.html

#Egyptian Maps by History Link 101
Links to maps of the early Egyptian period for the World History Class.
http://historylink101.com/ancient_egypt/ancient_egypt_maps.htm

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Новолуние в Древнем Египте  -  New Moon in Ancient Egypt

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"Новолуние в Древнем Египте"
"New moon in ancient Egypt"

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#Kira, - Сообщений: 36
Re: Новолуние в Древнем Египте
« Ответ #81 : 24.03.2007 [18:37:02] »
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На русском - ничего. На иностранных языках в первую очередь надо читать упоминавшихся здесь Нейгебауэра и Паркера. Есть переводы двух книг Нейгебауэра на русский, но там не про созвездия, а про математические и астрономические представления в целом.
Нейгебауэр О. Лекции по истории математических наук. Т I. Догреческая математика М.–Л., 1937. С. 127–185 (Египетская математика).
Нейгебауэр О. Точные науки в древности. М., 1968. С. 83–105 (Египетская математика и астрономия).
Основная книга, которую стоило бы прочитать (но ее еще поди найди в наших библиотеках...):
NEUGEBAUER, O. and Richard A. PARKER, Egyptian Astronomical Texts. III. Decans, Planets, Constellations and Zodiacs. Text [and] Plates, Providence, Rhode Island, Brown University Press / London, Lund Humphries, 1969.
AEB (всеобщая египтологическая библиография) на запрос "constellations" дает ряд статей по частным вопросам и, кажется, всего одну серьезную монографию:
KRAUSS, Rolf. Astronomische Konzepte und Jenseitsvorstellungen in den Pyramidentexten. Wiesbaden, Harrassowitz Verlag, 1997
Впрочем, она не столько по созвездиям, сколько по астрономическим представлениям в Текстах Пирамид.

PS. Есть еще человек по имени Christian Leitz, который довольно много пишет по астрономическим представлениям в Египте, но я сама его работ не видела, поэтому не знаю, насколько толковы. Тем не менее:
Ch. Leitz. Die Sternbilder auf dem rechteckigen und runden Tierkreis von Dendara // Studien zur altaegyptischen Kultur
(SAK) 34, 2006. S. 285 - 318.
Ch. Leitz. Le premier plafond astronomique dans la tombe de Senmout // Hatchepsout Femme pharaon Les Dossiers d'Archeologie, 187. Paris, 1993. S. 116 - 117.
Ch. Leitz. Studien zur aegyptischen Astronomie. Aegyptologische Abhandlungen, 49 (это название серии, в которой вышла монография). Wiesbaden, 1991.

« Последняя правка: 24.03.2007 [19:01:43] - Kira » Записан

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In the Russian language - nothing. On foreign languages in the first place reading Neugebauer and Parker must be mentioned here. There are translations of two books of Neugebauer in Russian but not about constellations, it is a mathematical and astronomical presentation as a whole.
          Neugebauer O.:  Lectures on the history of mathematical sciences. T I. Dogrecheskaya mathematics M.-L., 1937. S. 127-185 (Egyptian mathematics).
          Neugebauer O.:  The Exact Sciences in Antiquity. M., 1968., pp. 83-105 (Egyptian mathematics and astronomy).
          The main book, which is worth reading (and still to be found in our libraries ...):
NEUGEBAUER, O. and Richard A. PARKER:  Egyptian Astronomical Texts. III. Decans, Planets, Constellations and Zodiacs. Text [and] Plates, Providence, Rhode Island, Brown University Press / London, Lund Humphries, 1969.
          AEB (universal egiptologicheskaya bibliography) at the request "constellations" gives a number of articles on private matters and, it seems, only one major monograph:
KRAUSS, Rolf. Astronomische Konzepte und Jenseitsvorstellungen in den Pyramidentexten. Wiesbaden, Harrassowitz Verlag, 1997. - However, there is not so much on constellations, but astronomical ideas on how to they were used in tumbs.

          PS, there is a man named Christian Leitz, who writes a lot of astronomical concepts in Egypt, but I myself has not seen his works, so I do not know an explanatory value. Nevertheless:
          Ch. Leitz:  Die Sternbilder auf dem rechteckigen und runden Tierkreis von Dendara / / Studien zur altaegyptischen Kultur (SAK) 34, 2006. S. 285-318.
          Ch. Leitz:  Le premier plafond astronomique dans la tombe de Senmout / / Hatchepsout Femme pharaon Les Dossiers d'Archeologie, 187. Paris, 1993. S. 116-117.
          Ch. Leitz:  Studien zur aegyptischen Astronomie. Aegyptologische Abhandlungen, 49 (this title series, which was published monograph). Wiesbaden, 1991.
          Kira
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Re: Новолуние в Древнем Египте
« Ответ #85 : 24.03.2007 [20:31:56] »
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http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut1-mapdate_en.asp

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Check this out:  http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut1-mapdate_en.asp

          chir
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#Kira, - Сообщений: 36
Re: Новолуние в Древнем Египте
« Ответ #86 : 24.03.2007 [20:59:00] »
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Цитата: chir от 24.03.2007 [20:31:56]
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut1-mapdate_en.asp
Нет, Chir, это вовсе не смешно. - Если Вы знаете английский, прочтите, пожалуйста, внимательно комментарии к статье, на которую Вы даете ссылку, на этой странице:
http://hbar.phys.msu.su/gorm/wwwboard/messages47/17702.html

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No, Chir, this is not funny. - If you know English, please, make commentary to the article to which you gave a link on this page: http://hbar.phys.msu.su/gorm/wwwboard/messages47/17702.html
          Kira
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#chir, - Сообщений: 28
Re: Новолуние в Древнем Египте
« Ответ #87 : 24.03.2007 [22:53:12] »
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http://www.egyptology.ru/annotations.htm
Здесь анотация есть о Кр. Лейтц . Очень много литература есть в инете , от этого автора. - Понимаете , Роберт Бовал ,А. Гилберт работали с программа Скайглоуб 3.5 .  - У меня эта прога - нет . Если у кого- нибудь есть Redshift ... 10.06.0001 г. н. е. - было полное Солнечное затмение ,Солнце и Луна встретились на Сириусе - 04:04 ч утра.

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http://www.egyptology.ru/annotations.htm - Here is anotation on Kr. Leytts. A lot of literature exists from this author. - You know, Robert Boval and A. Gilbert worked with the program Skaygloub 3.5. - I have not this advantage. If someone has Redshift ... D. Mr. 10.06.0001. BC - was a complete solar eclipse, the Sun and Moon met at Sirius - 04:04 hrs morning.
          chir
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#Parfen, - Сообщений: 1414
Re: Новолуние в Древнем Египте
« Ответ #89 : 25.03.2007 [22:42:45] »
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Цитата: chir от 24.03.2007 [22:53:12]
10.06.0001 г. н. е. - было полное Солнечное затмение ,Солнце и Луна встретились на Сириусе - 04:04 ч утра. - Они встретились с Сириусом только в смысле равенства прямого восхождения.
Да и первый год н. э. к Древнему Египту никак не относится.
P.S. chir, скачайте себе планетарий, есть хорошие и бесплатные
а Скайглоуб 3.5 слишком старая и еще DOS.

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Quote: chir dated 24.03.2007 [22:53:12] - D. Mr. 10.06.0001. f. - was the complete solar eclipse, the Sun and Moon met at Sirius - 04:04 hrs morning. - They met with Sirius only in the sense of equality (level) in right ascending. And the first year Mr. e. to Ancient Egypt does not apply.
          P.S., chir, download a planetarium, there are good and free, Skaygloub a 3.5 is too old and still DOS.
          parfen
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¤ Searching-For-Truth, 26 September 2007  -  reference:
An Egyptian Star-map

Subject: (spirit_truths) , - seen at Date: 02-May-2006 12:07
- An Egyptian Star-map, by Ove von Spaeth. Independent Scholar, Denmark (Centaurus, V021 7 March 2002)
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The astronomical knowledge of the ancient Egyptians turns out to be surprisingly broader than previously imagined. According to a new analysis, the world's oldest star-map seems to contain information of an actual celestial event of its time. This recent discovery uncovers the earliest exact scientific description of an otherwise rare but not unknown celestial phenomenon.
          This 3,500 year old star-map which decorates one of the ceilings in the tomb of the great Senmut (or Senenmut) near Luxor (Thebes), apparently demonstrates a previously unknown aspect of the astronomical situation in Egypt around 1,500 BC.
          This revelation is the result of investigations, the full report of which was published in the International Journal of the History of Science _Centaurus_ ( http://www.ingenta.com/isis/browsing/TOC/ingenta?issue=pubinfobike://...-6943231<http://www.ingenta.com/isis/browsing/TOC/ingenta?issue=pubinfobike://...>929384018270/-1052814329/6/7051/7051/7052/7052/7051/-1)
(Ove von Spaeth, "Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map", vol. 42:3 (2000) : 159-179).

          The map's configurations, which previously have been considered mostly as mythological displays, are now disclosed to be an accurate depiction of a rare gathering of planets in well-defined celestial positions. The information contained in the map refers to a specific point in time. 
          The re-evaluation of this and subsequent maps gives birth to new perspectives: by introducing these new reference points in time, the appropriate chronology for the epoch in question, which otherwise has been much disputed, can now be dated with considerably greater precision than heretofore possible.

          The well-known Egyptian star map in question was worked out by Senmut, who was the vizier to queen Hatshepsut and also the calendar registrar of Egypt, during the 18th dynasty (16th c. BCE). The recently decoded material can be objectively proven, based on modern astronomical calculations, to depict important astronomical circumstances. It has now become clear that the map of Senmut neither depicts an arbitrary gathering of planets in the sky nor is it a copy of a pattern eventually made by Senmut's predecessors.
          Since this stellar-map describes a planetary conjunction (i.e. a close encounter of the planets) where a unique pattern of the positions of the planets are concentrated within a defined sector of the sky, it therefore contains information unmistakably related to a fixed point in time, which it has been possible to calculate as May 1534 BCE. According to the analysis, this dating is additionally supported by the map's record of a simultaneous solar eclipse.

          Modern astronomical methods confirm this interpretation with great precision:
accordingly, the map of Senmut must be acknowledged as one of history's oldest recorded scientific achievements.
          Subsequently produced Egyptian star-maps seem to confirm this discovery. Created under the reign of several pharaohs, during 300 years or more after the first map, they exhibit Senmut's principle of depicting a planetary conjunction.

          This seems to be a now forgotten tradition since these younger star-maps occur only in the reign of those pharaohs, such as Rameses II, where actual conjunctions of the relevant type appeared in the Egyptian sky. The study concludes as follows:
          The Senmut map depicts an exceptional event in the sky. This seems to have produced a prototype for all later pictures of similar celestial events - but with one exception: In the first depiction, in the time of Senmut, Mars is retrograde in the west when the other planets assemble around Sirius in the east.
          So far has been demonstrated:
          1.   The Senmut maps contain a cosmological and astro-mythological expression not only as decoration - as hitherto assumed - but also as a picture of a particular and unique situation in the sky.
          2.   This configuration of the sky can be exactly dated: 1534 BC. Furthermore one particular day can be identified if the solar eclipse is included as indication. In addition the star maps may contribute to a better dating of their creator Senmut and also of the contemporary Egyptian pharaohs - at least accurate within a decade.  
          Author's (Ove von Spaeth's) Web Page: _www.moses-egypt.net_  (http://www.moses-egypt.net/)

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¤ Blog - Space travel 21st century - 23.Feb.2010  -  reference
Anubis, The Pharaoh hound - and the stars

Space travel 21st century - Tuesday, 23 February 2010 - We need each and every one of us contributing to our database of knowledge, that's sanctity.
The mating game... Huh!  - I'm from regent's park, so, I thought I'd give this an airing!!!
http://www.youtube.comwatch?v=22ybWzdyZOo&feature=related
.... and there was something concerning ancient Egyptians and a dog ...

The Pleiades constellation and Senmut's starmap
cf.  www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut4-history_en.asp
          This dog is a dog that is known to be a cult character in Egyptology, the character is Anubis who is the master of the embalming process (mummification). Obviously exploring the universe as an immortal would be a significant advantage to the experience of being a man, but, as we speak scientist's have just identified the ageing genome which they are now studying, gosh, with any luck we won't need a mortgage to afford the process of becoming immortal!!!
          The Pharaoh hound renowned for it's acute vision ability in the dark and it's extra sensitive smelling ability is a worthy friend in the desert night, around the forest and in the wadi's. It's regal stance is testament of it's alert keen sense of perception and as hound's are it's parallax has a broader horizon perimeter coupled with it's actual height. The Pharaoh hound would be my companion on cavern and cave complex exploration off planet if only for it's nimble sensory perception.

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http://spacetravel21stcentury.blogspot.com/2010/02/maxi-priest-close-to-you-httpwww.html   -  (23.Feb.2010)

¤ Mortal Online Forums - 8th July 2009  -  recommendation:
Nella tomba di Senmut

          nntp.it » Forum » Newsgroups it.discussioni.* » it.discussioni.misteri » - Nella tomba di 
          Senmut  - Strumenti discussione 
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Nella tomba di Senmut - Bisogna dire che tutto questo e' veramente interessante.
          L'architetto di Hatshepsut (la donna che divenne faraone). - Un pannello sul soffitto mostra la sfera celeste con "un orientamento invertito" ovvero il cielo del sud. "Una caratteristica del soffitto di Senmut è l'orientamento astronomicamente discutibile del pannello meridionale". Il centro di questo pannello è occupata dal gruppo del Orione-Sirio, in cui Orione compare ad ovest di Sirio anziché ad est. "Con l'orientamento invertito del pannello del sud, Orione, la costellazione
più cospicua del cielo del sud, sembra muoversi verso l'est, cioè, nel senso errato".
          Particolare della volta della tomba di Senmut.
http://www.maat-ka-ra.de/english/personen/senenmut/sen_t353.htm 
          Il significato reale "dell'orientamento irrazionale del pannello del sud" e "della posizione invertita di Orione" sembra essere questo: il pannello del sud mostra il cielo dell'Egitto come era prima del nord ed del sud della sfera celeste capovolta, l'est con l'ovest. Il pannello nordico mostra il cielo dell'Egitto come appariva in una certa notte dell'anno nel periodo di Senmut. [Fig. 118 ]
          - Il Papiro egizio noto come Papiro di Anastasio IV contiene cenni sul tempo e sulla carenza di luce solare, in questi termini: "è venuto l'inverno al posto dell'estate, i mesi sono invertiti e le ore in disordine".
http://ib205.tripod.com/senenmut.html
http://www.institutoestudiosantiguoe...senenmut.shtml
hhttp://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut3-treatise_en.asp
http://www.think-aboutit.com/images/oly.jpg <.....................

PulisciTroll,  #1  23-09-2009, - 17.11.09   -  http://www.nntp.it/discussioni-misteri/2097378-nella-tomba-di-senmut.html  - (17.Nov.2009)

       
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¤ View of history - 4 February 2010  -  reference: 
Your e-books on star knowledge

Hi, Ove von Spaeth,  On the newspaper"Politiken" article (3.Feb.2010) "Researchers will be allowed to open Tycho Brahe's grave" - they have obviously forgotten that it was I who promoted the investigation of Tycho's beard and hair of the head. Partly, through the Copenhagen University Legal Chemical Institute (atomic absorption spectroscopy) and partly via Lund University Fysiska Institution (PIXE analysis). Both studies showed an elevated mercury level in Tycho's blood vessels.
          Conspiracy theories I keep my distance from. I have written several articles on Tycho's death, including in the magazines Skalk, Nature's World, Astronomical Journal, and Maersk Air's magazine. Following my research in Tycho's homemade drugs, I could show that they contained high levels mercury (especially his "universal medicine").
          That he would be assassinated by a mercury poisoning, I consider this as unthinkable, simply because the danger from ingesting mercury compounds was not known not in his time! I call therefore his death for "Tycho Brahe's unintentional suicide."

          Many thanks for your e-books about: Dating Egypt's Oldest Star Map - and - Star Knowledge from Ancient Egypt , - I am delighted to carry on with the reading.
          There is, as you probably know, a group of researchers, called "pyram idiots". You  certainly not belong to such group! - Many greetings

Claus Thykier, Writer, Former Curator of the Ole Roemer Museum (Kroppedal Museum) - 4 February 2010 20:53 - smaalandsbyen.dk, - (4.Feb.2010)

¤ godlikeproductions.co  - 12 March 2006  -  opinions:
Ove von Spaeth's dating the Senmut map

http://www.godlikeproductions.com  -  Reply to thread - Subject: Anyone know anything about King Salomon?

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Senmut's Tomb
Senmut was the vizier to queen Hatshepsut and also the calendar registrar of Egypt, during the 18th dynasty (16th c. BCE). He was also chief architect of Queen Hatshepsut, the female pharaoh's funeral mortuary temple near the Valley of the Kings.
          According to A. Pogo, on the ceiling panel of this architect's tomb, it "displays the celestial heavens including the Zodiac and other constellation. The strange thing is the southern sky shows the constellations in 'a reversed orientation'," (A. Pogo, "The Astronomical Ceiling Decoration in the Tomb of Senmut (XVIIIth Dynasty)," Isis (1930). p. 306 as quoted by Velikovsky in World's in Collision, p. 127)
          This star-map actually describes a planetary conjunction in which the planet position is defined to a certain sector of the sky, plus a solar eclipse. As such, precise astronomical calculation can date this map to the date, May, 1534 BCE (Ove von Spaeth: "Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map", Centaurus, International Journal of the History of Science, vol 42:3 (2000):159-179)

The Astronomical Ceiling of Senmut's Tomb
Whereas Emmanuel Velikovsky identified Queen Hatshepsut as the Queen of Sheba who came to visit King Solomon, internationally recognized former head of the School of Archeology at Andrew University in Berrien Springs, Michigan, Dr. Gearty, believes that a firm case can be made that Queen Hatshepsut was the foster mother of the prince apparent to the Pharaoh of Egypt, Moses. Upon the exile of Moses and the death of Queen Hatshepsut, the nephew Thutmos III, a mighty Pharaoh in history became the Pharaoh that put the Israelites into bondage.

Anonymous Coward 165301, - Canada, User ID: 165301. Canada 12/3/2006 7:14 PM http://www.godlikeproductions.com/bbs/reply.php?messageid=313102&page=2&quote=5353783  -  (12.Mar.2006)

¤ Enquiry - 7 March 2010  -  view of history:
Special planet constellations - and Jesus?

#  Title: Introduction to the 5 books about Moses. - Message: If there were particular planet constellations at the conception of Sennenmut, could the similar have happened at conception of Jesus around October in 5 BC? We lack the explanations of Herod Antipas’ anger, the Three Kings (the Magi), and Jesus asthe Son of God. Did Jesus flee at the age of 13 to India to avoid being a royal candidate?
          Franz Floto - Date: 2010-2-23 15:49:43

#  Jesus was probably not conceived at the time you proposed, but quite a few years earlier. - There was a special celestial arrangements of the planets, but no conjunction of an extraordinary  kind. Anyone with royal blood in him would be a royal candidate. The pedigree of Jesus is referred to as going back to King David. Although it is not known whether the pedigree was correct, the mention of it was enough to take action by those who believed that such was the case. - Herod was not the much later Herod Antipas, but Herod the Great. However, regarding the epoch and its history, I am not a super specialist.
          Ove von Spaeth

#  Hi, Ove von Spaeth. - Subject: Jesus' birth. - I have read with interest your five books on Moses. I also visited Egypt last summer to see the place where the little Moses was picked up from the Nile. It was breathtaking. This has led me to speculate a little more about the story on Jesus. The Bible gives a somewhat incomplete report, if one compares it with Notovich's book, and Uhlig's, about the tomb of Jesus in Srinagar.
          There are many who are currently bringing together the historical legends in the field. When I compare the wonders of the Bible with the apocryphal writings, much of this comes to resemble the "touring" modern myth stories. I feel an urge to wonder how the priests are building a religion without criticism.
          Matthew writes that Jesus was born in the days of Herod. Herod dies in 4 BC. - Lukas writes about Augustus' census. It translates to be 6 BC. Quirinius was governor of Syria from 10-6. The team points from the Bible. Asian sources say he dies in107 (?), so it most likely is probably the birth in 6 BC. You wrote somewhere that he was born at the Egyptian New Year, July 21.
          We lack evidence to why Herod and his son Herod Antipas should oppose a small child if it was not about a prospective king. Mary and Joseph were both descended from David, but such background was probably with many other children. If Joseph was not genetically the father of the child, but possibly Panthera meant probably less.
          The three kings gave gifts to the child. They may have heard about a future king. For the stars are not reliable to show the path of the globe. I think the Bethlehem star has been misunderstood and hope you can help with your knowledge.
          It may surprise that a 12-year boy can ask so many intelligent questions to the scribes so that he must stay long after parents have gone home. I imagine that the temple has given him his future task. Then we do not hear so much more in the Bible about him except than that he lived in the desert. - The Tibetan scriptures in Hemis Monastery in Leh gives explanation of what he studied until his 30th year (approximately).
          Other claims than the Muslims' are doubting that Jesus died on the cross. He was given vinegar on a sponge. Apocryphical writings mention vinegar with gall, and that he exhaled shortly after. - I think there was more in the vinegar. Resurrection with traces from nails and spears shows that he was physically present.
          Ascension is copied from the Old Testament. The apostles probably not seen it. A scripture  tells of Jesus' escape with his mother and brother, Judas Thomas, nicknamed Didymos (twin). There are already people who hope for using DNA analysis to show that the man buried in Srinagar is the son of the woman in Maria's grave in Islamabad. - Sincerely
          Franz Floto, - 7th March 2010 01:22 - Floto@  -  (7.Mar.2010)

#  Some of it  had already been answered the last time. But about the rest: See separate mention below.
          Ove von Spaeth

¤ View of history - 7 March 2010  -  reorientation:
Stars and myths for Jesus' birth

#  Ove von Spaeth's orientating reply to Franz Floto's mail dated March 7, 2010, (see above)

Did Jesus die?
The Bible's Greek text (NT) states that on the other two crucified men that their bones were broken to be sure they were dead, but it did not happen with Jesus.
          The whole concept of resurrection was especially an initiation cultic concept. The interest was mostly on the life of Jesus and his teachings, more than of his birth and death. Much more interest in resurrection came after Christianity became the official national religion in 390's AD and the initiation cults were completely forbidden.

The star
At Jesus' birth: There have been several governors named Quirinius, the earliest of them was a governor also in the year 14 BC - one of the cyclic years when Herod the Great established a census - this is the year of Jesus' birth. Christianity's oldest calendars, the Armenian and the Ethiopian have the birth at ca. year 10 BC.
          That the so-called holy Three Kings found their way overland through the stars, is hardly a myth but the principle is the same as navigating by the stars at sea.
          Father of Church, Origen (185-254 AD), had contact with good sources in Alexandria, "the astronomers' town" and he describes the Bethlehem Star in detail in his work Contra Celsum, in clause 58 and 59. On the basis of reading this, the star resembles most of all a supernova. It is, as far as I know, the only known technical description from the ancient world of this star.
          Apart from my own article about the subject a very long time ago, I've never seen anybody dealing with Origen's information in connection with mentioning of the Bethlehem Star (but I have obviously not seen everything). Antiquity's astronomer Ptolemy of Alexandria gives in his work Tetrabiblos a hint about what a supernova astrological may signify, but the star phenomenon itself was already mentioned by Hipparchus more than 200 years earlier.

Place of birth and the season
Probably for political reasons a somewhat hidden, smooth relocation was made, which moved Jesus' birthplace of Bethlehem, originally 7 km from Nazareth in the north, down to the country's second Bethlehem, referred to as "David's city" 19 km south of Jerusalem.
          The precise time when the southern city instead became highlighted in the context is not known. Before 325 AD many Christians seem to have known where the birthplace was - thus, in the northernmost town Bethlehem they built Christianity's then largest church in all of Palestine (approximately in 2008, this church's huge mosaic floor was excavated during establishing a major road construction).
          But the emphasis was changed after the year 325 when Emperor Constantine the Great's mother, Helena, had made arrange a cave - formerly used by an Adam-cult in southern town Bethlehem, in Judea, - to be "the place where Jesus was born." A St. Paul-inspired idea existed that Jesus was the "second Adam".
          In the year 354 the bishop of Rome began a new custom by which Jesus birth was celebrated on December 25th - an imitation from the Mithras cult. But the Bible mentions that at the time around the birth i shepherds stay on the field throughout the night, i.e. it was summertime. Alexander the Great (who was conceived in an Egyptian temple on the Greek island of Samothrace) and Julius Caesar (who was conceived in Rome's Jupiter-temple) was born at the time when the Sun in the summer passed the star Basiliscus (alpha Leonis, the Lion's Heart), Greek for "little king ". The day was the real New Year in the Egyptian calendar, the same day the Sirius star "resurrects" every year after having been out of sight for 70 days. The day was celebrated in Babylon and later in Rome as the Tammuz festival. Tammuz is the Babylonian Adam-figure. It therefore could fit in the symbolism of Jesus being the "second Adam" to be born on the very "Adam's day."

Dating
And moreover, for the determination of the time of Jesus' life most researchers calculated - but erroneously - the Roman emperor Tiberius from the time of Emperor Augustus' death (year 14 AD). But in reality Tiberius was already emperor in the very Eastern Roman Empire from the year 4 AD being Augustus' co-regent, and they are portrayed together on Roman coins from that time.
          Unfortunately, no scientists (but I know not all) have been seen dealing with the combining fact of two Quirinius, or with Origen's description, or the factually two towns called Bethlehem, or the particular era, etc. - so peculiarly we don't hear more of it. But when these facts are not mentioned or are put in the picture, it may very well be the case that the hitherto picture is hardly real scientific research at all. Indeed, there is much more to know.

          Ove von Spaeth

¤ Aalborg County News (daily) -  24 December 1979 (p.16)  -  reference and comment:
No Christmas Eve before six months, astrologer says

Tonight, 24th December, it's Christmas Eve - or is it? If Christmas Eve is placed in connection to Jesus' birthday, it's certainly not tonight. To so much the scholars do agree on, but when Jesus actually was born is still disputed. There is indeed also a mess regarding the year.
          In the latest issue of the "Horoscope Magazine, The Stars" (Dec. 1979), Ove von Spaeth is demonstrating having found a solution. He calculates the birth having taken place at 22nd of June in the year 14 BCE at approx. 4 a.m. in the morning, and according to the ancient Julian calendar it corresponds to 24th of July - a date figure (the date number, not the month) that seem to have survived.
          Von Spaeth writes that it only later, in the 500’s, it became more widespread and established practice to place Jesus' birthday on the 25th of December after up to more than a quarter of the history of Christianity having used various other days.
          - Now it is revealed that the so-called Christmas gospel, i.e. Luke from 2:1 to 2:20, besides from being a description of the events of Jesus' birth also contains a hidden astrological code message, by which one can draw the horoscope of birth and then determine the correct year, day, and minute, argues von Spaeth who points out that the doctor, Luke, from Damascus probably not - as later assumed - have written this part of the gospel originally in Greek. It turns out that all the word plays of the code in Greek are found in every case, and even in a better form, in Babylonian. Or the closely related Aramaic everyday-language.

          It would lead too far here to go deeper into von Spaeth's theory, but a single example of his calculation can be given.
          Luke begins: "But it came to pass in those days that there went out a decree from Caesar Augustus ...". The text has an expression that may seem weaker than natural, in order to better draw attention to another meaning, since the Greek dogma (meaning, regulation, determine) has its meaning changed when read dokhma which means '4 finger measures' which usually indicates 4 degrees of arc in the sky and corresponds to the Babylonian words amatu (regulation, determine) and ammatu which is 'ca. 3 degrees of arc'. Von Spaeth infers from this and other words of the Christmas Gospel that the opening by the code language is thus telling about the Sun's position on the celestial circle (the Ecliptic).
          By calculating the length and breadth through the code with the known constellations and their positions, von Spaeth obtains the result that our present year, 1979, is in fact 1993 if the start point should be the birth of Christ - also there are (here, this 24th of December) six months to Christmas Eve.
          Luckily, we have not bought Christmas tree yet, but a Christmas goose we can eat all year.

Bent Attrup, editor, journalist, Aalborg County Newspaper - p.16  -  (24.Dec.1979)

 
¤ Kabel8 -  25 December2011  -  Kontakt:
Happy birthday, Jesus

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25.12.2011 Happy birthday, Jesus!
          Der dänische Astrologe Ove von Spaeth hat 1979 anhand der astronomischen Angaben des Lukasevangeliums festgestellt, das Jesus am 22 Juli des Jahres 14 vor unserer Zeitrechnung geboren worden sein muss: "Von Spaeth kam zu dem Schluss, dass Jesus geboren wurde Mittwoch 22. Juli Jahre 14 v. Chr. an 3.57 in der Früh. Der lokale Standort wird "die zweite" Bethlehem in Galiläa, Norden 32 Grad 43' und Ost 35 Grad 17' ".
          (Dänish: "Von Spaeth kom til det resultat, at Jesus blev født onsdag d. 22. Juli år 14 får(?) vor tidsregning kl. 03.57 om morgenen. Stedet er "det andet" Betlehem i Galilæa, nord 32 grader 43' øst 35 grader 17' ").
          Die Quelle   http://www.3d-video.dk/xmas/dec02.htm ist leider gelöscht - und "får" muss "for" heissen, aber interessanter ist, dass man sich von Jesus ein persönliches Horoskop* erstellen lassen und gucken kann, ob er bei dem Profil den bekannten Weg gegangen wäre. Der biblische Jesus wird ja schon heute von vielen als synthetische figur angesehen. Sein Vater ist ja auch fiktiv, aus der väterlichkeit zusammengesetzt bzw. "usammengespart", die die Männer im Umkreis eines Jungen ohne einfluss des biologischen Vaters aufbringen.

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¤ Project  -  9 October 2010  -  researching:
Translator of the Yoga Sutras, and a keen astrologer

(From: Dennis Olsen - Bog & Mystik [mailto:kontakt@bog-mystik.dk] Sent: 8. oktober 2010 14:36)  Subject:Fwd:greetings and a request.. On Fri 01/10/10 15:23, anusuya kumar sent: Dear Sir/Ms.,
I am Ph.D student at the University of Copenhagen, the Dept. of Sanskrit and Indology. I am writing a book on a Danish mystic and yoga teacher from the 1940-60's called Yogi Raman. I understand from sources that he collaborated with Ove von Spaeth many years ago. I am wondering if it could be possible to get in touch with Ove von Spaeth? Perhaps his e-mail address could be available. I would greatly appreciate any help that you could offer! - Regards, Anu Kumar
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From: anusuya kumar - Sent: 8. oktober 2010 20:25   -   Namaskar Ove,  I am working on a research project on 'Yogi Raman' for the University of Copenhagen. - It seems to me from the few archival sources that I have been able to glean that he was a remarkably accomplished yogi and mystic. I am trying to fill in some real blank spaces. He acknowledges in an interview that he had developed certain 'siddhis' or yogic powers. Guni Martin (in personal interview with me) shares her experiences in the classes and says that she saw Yogi Raman in deep meditative trances.
She also indicates that he guided to place students into profound meditative states. Could you verify this? - Raman was working on a book,translating the 'Yoga Sutras'. Did you help him with this project? It has also been suggested that Yogi Raman knew of his impending death and had prepared for it a year in advance. Do you have any knowledge about this? - Thanks, sincerely, Anu
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On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 9:33 PM,  OvS wrote:   -   Concerning Yoga Sutras, I only helped Gunnar Raman - it was after his death - with publishing his long-term studied/worked translation. You may order it at a Danish library, - title: Patanjali’s Yoga Sutras, - translation: G. Raman, - publisher: Strube’s Forlag, - copyright year: 1968.  - Raman died in 1965, as far as I remember. Concerning his early years maybe you thought of one of Raman's teachers or sources of inspiration, the first yogi in Denmark: Louis Brinkfort. I remember now that Raman might have had another teacher  - a yogi from South Afrika, but possibly not born of that nationality. - Best wishes,  /OvS
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From: anusuya kumar - Sent: 8. oktober 2010 23:11   -   Yes, Ove, that was Lauritzen. A German doctor who worked quietly as an electrician and taught Yogi Raman the art of yoga. He was the first yoga teacher in DK - teaching here in 1907. The mystery of Gunnar Raman still remains. May I ask if you had personal contact with him? - Anu
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On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:25 AM, OvS  wrote:   -   I knew him and his wife, through ca. 12 years - from when I was a teenager I finished my yoga teacher education. I think Gunnar Raman was a sailor on different ships in his young years - and he came (like his wife) from the province of Jutland, possibly the city Randers. It seems that he died much too early, about 56 years old - ca. 1965. He had some problems with his heart, maybe by unintentional exaggerating experiences with some respiration techniques. His widow died few years after. They lived in an apartment at Lyshøj Allé, near Valby railway station. - He was a great inspiring teacher who really knew his material, very professional. To me, it was one of the greatest gifts that I in so young age learned so much from his experience, not least when I also took his class of two years studying the Yoga Sutras (later, I also designed the book cover and edited his book about the Yoga Sutras ( http://www.moses-egypt.net/images/5ovs_en4_the-stars-yoga-sutras-and-the-initiated_e-book.pdf ) .  /OvS
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From: anusuya kumar - Sent: 9. oktober 2010 00:45   -  Thank you so much for sharing this. It is more valuable than I could express in words. It seems that your time as a young man with Gunnar Raman was truly a gift. I have a copy of his teaching notes - 110 pages - from a student who had saved them before she died. They do indicate strongly that he was very refined and professional in his yoga practices and teaching style. The details on pranayama are simply astonishing.
It is really tragic that he died so relatively young. I have been to the address in Valby - now so changed. Wondering where his children are... It seems that he told Guni Martin a year before he died that he was going to go - and urged her to finish her education. -  The book on Yoga Sutras is fantastic - I have seen a copy of it at a friend's place and have now ordered my own. Your design is beautiful, Ove. I am learning Danish so I can read Raman's writings in the original. He may have been among the few yoga practitioners who tried to find his way to the heart of this ancient and alchemical science.  -  I am aware that he was a sailor and he travelled to India, Ceylon and Siam. It is possible that he met an Indian teacher there but that remains a mystery. Do you think that Gunnar Raman was his Danish name? Raman is such an obviously Indian name!  - Shanti Om, Anu.
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On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 12:52 AM, OvS  wrote:  -  I only knew his original name his first name, Gunnar. His wife was Ellen Raman. Raman was the name he took, inspired from India. Maybe or not they had one daughter, and if it was the case she might have died young. I am almost sure that he and his wife didn't left any children.
I can verify that he - as mentioned - had developed certain 'siddhis' or yogic powers and I have observed some of these circumstance many times. I have even seen him during a class with meditation changing and showing how he looked in one of his former incarnations (900 years ago in Persia) - he had not said anything about it, so I had to ask him afterwards on what had happened.
Moreover, once a couple from the yoga class I participated, got married in a church far, far away and he went there and greeting them. Later, they became shockingly amazed when they heard that he at precisely the same time had been together with me and other people in his apartment. Appearing at two places at exactly same time - that's something! And his teachings have been an inspiration all my life. Attatched:  pdf-file with my e-book: The stars and the Yoga Sutras.  /OvS
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From: anusuya kumar - Sent: 9. oktober 2010 01:08   -  Namaste Ove, Heartfelt thanks for sharing these amazing experiences. Yes, they are something else - transcendence of time and space since consciousness is in fact universally unbroken and whole. To accomplish such truth is remarkable - just remarkable. I understand that you remain inspired by this grace in the form of your teacher. Thanks for sharing the book. I will treasure it. - And thanks again for sharing your recollections of Yogi Raman with me. Just want to say that if, perchance, you gets memories surfacing in days to come, they would be very valuable. I would be honored if you would read my final text, perhaps make suggestions. Of course, I have read - a few times! - your web-page and am quite intrigued. I had a limited knowledge on the subject but a personal interest in Egyptian science and mysticism, and it goes back to a sufi alchemist from the 5th century, Dhu-Al-Nun.  - Om shanty, Anu
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On Sat, Oct 9, 2010 at 1:44 PM, OvS wrote:  -  Besides writing a fine article on Tycho Brahe - Gunnar Raman was a very keen astrologer too. In the "alternative culture" of those days everybody in the circles knew everybody in there and he got contact with Denmark’s leading astrologer, Irene Christensen, a unique pioneer for this art in our country. I was educated as astrologer at her school. She told me that Raman once manifested himself - just going through the walls - into her house and they had some dialogue and exchanging arguments and she asked him to leave again. (Thus, being 'superior' to needing mobile phones, - not invented yet).  During this whole event he was in his home simultaneously. Some years before he died, Raman told some of us that he knew the exact time for that event. He explained that he in his internal view saw something like a calendar book changing its pages until the stop at the page with the certain date. But he didn't tell more - none of us knew anything about when it should happen.
About 7-8 years after his dead, I carried out a small experiment and via alphabet-cards I was calling for his attention. The answer was that he - in a spiritual form of existence, I presume - was helping very much in the BanglaDesh area in India after terribly catastrophes from the river floods. This is the only time I have tried this and I think we should not disturb other people during their important work in other dimensions except if absolute necessary. Good luck with your work /OvS
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From: anusuya kumar - Sent: 9. oktober 2010 23:20  -  Namaskar Ove, Thank you so much for generously sharing the remarkable mystery of your teacher, Gunnar Raman. Yes, you are indeed right - it's best to leave Gunnar to do his work from realms where he is able to utilize his extraordinary powers in helping people who need it. I only mentioned that you might receive a flow of images or memories because it seems that the psyche works in far deeper levels and something may have been activated archetypally. Certainly, I felt this energy in the exchange of these last e-mails. I would love to share my work on Gunnar Raman in the months ahead. It could take three or four months to get into some depths. - I could not resist looking up your website (moses-egypt.net) again and am really fascinated. - Om Shanti, Anu
          Anusuya Kumar, - Ph.D. in English Literature, Pittsburgh University, and M.A. in Sanskrit
          Studies, Copenhagen University - (9.Oct.2010)
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From:   (Earlier) Comment:   from Thomas Dyhr,  -  August 16th, 2009 at 12:32 | #1  - http://dyhr.com/2009/07/07/yoga-bibliography/
Patanjali's Yoga Sutras with the classic comments, in Sanskrit (gathered, edited and) translated by G. Raman into Danish, - and the finishing: the editing and design created by Ove von Spaeth. A fantastic world of Yoga and meditation. Published in Copenhagen 1968.
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Postscript:     The work carried out by Gunnar Raman's meticulous, long-term research and using comparison of all the many relevant sources, is unique! No equal work exists, not even in India. - The first lecture about Gunnar Raman and his work was presented by Anusuya Kumar (Ph.D. in English Literature and M.A. in Sanskrit Studies), at the University of Copenhagen, Monday 9th May 2011, at 10:00-12:00 AM, in Auditorium U6.
          ::  Ove von Spaeth

¤ moses-egypt.net  -  7 December 2011  -  review:
Critical introduction to the Yoga Sutras

Included in: Raman's source translation of Pantanjali's Yoga Sutras (1968)

Reviewing the early paper of Ove von Spaeth: "Introduction to Pantanjali's Yoga Sutras" , Copenhagen, 1968.

          In 1968, Ove von Spaeth edited and wrote a critical introduction and compendium to the Danish yogi, Gunnar Raman's scholarly edition of "Patanjali's Yoga Sutras". This book was the first Danish translation with critical notes and commentary of the 'Yoga Sutras'. It included Raman's review of classical commentaries on this ancient text as well as explanations of yoga terminology.
          Von Spaeth also designed the book lay-out and cover which went on to become an iconic symbol of Indian spiritual influences in the alternative cultural mileux of the 1960's and '70's in Denmark. (Strubes Publishers, Copenhagen, 1968).

Anusuya Kumar, - Ph.D. in English Literature, Pittsburgh University, and M.A. in Sanskrit Studies, Copenhagen University  - 7 December 2011 20:32, - Web News at www.moses-egypt.net  -  (7.Dec.2011)

¤ de.wikipedia.org  - Geschichte der Astronomie  -  Reference 
Geschichte der Astronomie

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschichte_der_Astronomie
Geschichte der Astronomie   - aus Wikipedia, der freien Enzyklopädie - 

Darstellung des Claudius Ptolemäus mit personifizierter Astronomie aus der Enzyklopädie Margarita Philosophica von Gregor Reisch, 1503.
          Die Geschichte der Astronomie umfasst zeitlich die gesamte Kulturgeschichte der Menschheit. Die Astronomie wandelte sich von der bloßen Kunde der Beobachtung des Sternenhimmels und seiner Zyklen über die klassisch-geometrische Astronomie, deren älteste Teilgebiete die Positionsastronomie und Ephemeridenrechnung sind, bis hin zur modernen Astrophysik.
          Weblinks [Bearbeiten]:
• NASA/Goddard SFC: Sonnenfinsternisse 600–501 v. Chr.
• Der Maya-Kalender
• Arbeitskreis Astronomiegeschichte der Astronomischen Gesellschaft
• Gesamtüberblick
• Ausgewählte Themen detailliert behandelt
Ove von Spaeth: Auswahlbibliographie zur antiken Astronomie

wikipedia, - http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geschichte_der_Astronomie  - (2009)

       
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¤ godlikeproductions.com  -  12 December 2010  -  debate:
Astronomical alignment of megaliths

          www.godlikeproductions.com/forum1/message1286676/pg1

 ?? If the earth has suffered a shift in the past why do these still structures still make their intended celestial references ??
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If the earth has suffered a shift in the past why do these still structures still make their intended celestial references? Quote
Structures built to a Celestial Star Map
          List of archaeoastronomical sites by country
[link to en.wikipedia.org]  =  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_archaeoastronomical_sites_by_country
          For example:
Nabta Playa 6,500 BC
An assembly of huge stone slabs found in Egypt's Sahara Desert that date from about 6,500 years to 6,000 years ago has been confirmed by scientists to be the oldest known astronomical alignment of megaliths in the world
[link to www.sciencedaily.com]  =  http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/1998/04/980403081524.htm

Stonehenge 3100 BC  - the earliest phase of the monument.
Maya civilization 3114 BC  - Radiocarbon dates from excavations.
Gungywamp 2000 BC - In Groton, Connecticut has a calendar chamber.
Great Pyramid of Giza 2560 BC (open for debate)
They are still building archaeoastronomicaly by the way.....

          Also structures built on the winter/summer solstice line are still located there, see:
[link to http://www.moses-egypt.net]  =  http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut4-history_en.asp

          All the cyclic timeframes out there on or around 2012 do not fit by simple math's to the present year.
You get 8,500 years of alignment!
Why aren’t they out of alignment?
The chance of them returning to the exact degree of orientation to my mind would be zero.
Are we being coned? Or am I missing something here?

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¤ worldlingo.com  -  De octubre 2010  -  archivo:
Fechar el mapa egipcio más viejo de la estrella

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1530s A.C.
Categorías: Nacimientos - muertes - Líderes del estado - Estados soberanos
Establecimientos - Disestablishments

Acontecimientos y tendencias:
• 1539 A.C. - Final de Decimoséptima dinastía de Egipto, comienzo del Décimo octava dinastía.
• 1539 A.C. - Aproxime el primer uso del Valle de los reyes.
• 1534 A.C. - La más vieja carta anticuada de la estrella fue hecha adentro Egipto antiguo.[1]
• 1530 A.C. - Final del Primera dinastía de Babylon y el comienzo de la dinastía de Kassite - vea

Referencias:
1. ^ von Spaeth, Ove (1999). "Fechar el mapa egipcio más viejo de la estrella". Compartimiento internacional de Centaurus de la historia de las matemáticas, de la ciencia y de la tecnología 42 (3): 159-179.
Fechar…. = http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut1-mapdate_en.asp

          worldlingo.com, - http://www.worldlingo.com/ma/enwiki/es/1530s_BC - (October 2010)


 


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