Interesting that the stucture of your project is presented in public. I find the description of your project very good.
          Here we can all take part, it is not made for university professors - had it been so, there might always be somebody who typically would like to think that it did not fulfil certain criteria for university usability. I find that everything is presented in a concise, trustworthy, excellent, and exciting way - right from the core of the project and out in all branches.
          It is ALWAYS possible to write and edit such texts in another way - this is one way. And it is a good one!

Bjørn Andersen, B.A. in literature and linguistics, Lecturer at the University of Copenhagen, Journalist DJF, former Editor of programmes at Danish National Broadcast and Television, - biorn@mail.dk  -  (5.Jul.2007)

Eventually I have been acquainted with an increasing amount of archaeological discoveries from all over the world concerning star observatory sites of the past and other star related finds.
          This is exciting, and I thought that the many findings probably (more or less) confirmed your theories - at least the principle that the sky and the observation of it played a far more important role than normally believed so far. (ed.note: see Ove von Spaeth's articles in Zenith files).
          I have also read the very informative article in the "Ingenioeren" (of 16.Feb.2007, The Engineer Magazine) about the cause of Tycho Brahe's death. However, I find that your written language is much better than that of the article. Still, the article is good, only too bad that you did not write it. If you had been the writer, it would have been more subtle and would have encouraged to religious, scientific, and epistemological reflections.

Lars Steen Larsen, Philosophy Graduate in religion history, Candidate for the doctorate at the University of Lund, - llsteen@mail.dk  -  (4.Jul.2007)

I have been able to follow your authorship for some years. Recently I have also seen the summary of your works and the related activities, and with the greatest interest I have read about your project (the Zenith Project) - now eventually presented in a complete, written pattern.
          This summary was very much wanted!
          And it is excellent. It is distinct. It is concise. It provides the relevant information about the project - e.g. I found it exciting to read about the interest shown by the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, and about English translations, etc. Wonderful!
          In fact, the reader who decides to study your project will need all of it, and it is supported very well of the carefulness behind the line, the style, and the phraseology.

          Your works present so much and deserve a wide distribution - and therefore the summary of the project is a fine tool. Again and again I have been able to nod my acquaintance concerning the factual information presented to me gradually in the individual parts of the project. It is important that the summary here defines the major elements - it is an excellent document.
         And the introduction - your intermediate paragraphs about arrangement and perspective are very good and as always exciting and interesting to read - and are in absolute accordance with the best working methods used today, e.g. at universities.

          Also - going into details interesting for me - the Moses phrase: Thou shalt love thy neighbour. The traditional Christian message is that thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. The addition gives room for interpretations. A fine reminder, because you have already written about this in various ways in both volume 4 and 5 - and the Moses wording is straight. To me it is interesting that this wording has frequently been attributed to Socrates - which in fact means Plato - thus in the abbreviated form, thou shalt love thy neighbour.

Jens Jørgensen, Historian, Writer, former Headmaster, - City Council of Slagelse  - (6.Jun.2007).

(Ed.note: The page about the Zenith Project mentioned by Jens Jørgensen can be found here: www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/moses_project_en.asp)

Erik Iversen; Professor; employment Egyptology; (formerly) University of Copenhagen. Headquarters Address: Website: www.ku.dk
Web References:  1.  www.moses-egypt.net, - www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/moses_survey_en.asp - Published on: 9/22/2006

          A recommendable scientific work about Egyptology and the European understanding of - and the influence from - the ancient Egypt, is "The Myth of Egypt and Its Hieroglyphs" (1961) by the Danish authority of Egyptology, Erik Iversen, Ph.D.,h.c., Professor, formerly also at The University of Copenhagen. This book was independently recommended and reprinted by the Princeton University (Princeton U.P. 1993).
          And finally, "Egyptian Hermetic Doctrine" (Tusculanum, Copenhagen, 1984), a unique treatise by Erik Iversen, which demonstrates the deep roots of "Corpus Hermeticum" in Egyptian history more than 4,000 years ago.
          Web References:  2 . www.moses-egypt.net, - www.moses-egypt.net/book2/moses2-inform_en.asp - Published on: 9/22/2006

zoominfo.com, -  http://www.zoominfo.com/Search/PersonDetail.aspx?PersonID=149501714   -  (22.Mar.2007)

ed.note, concerning "Corpus Hermeticum": - also, see especially: www.moses-egypt.net/book4/moses4-inform_en.asp

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          Category: 24799835.  Egypt Directory - American Research Center in Egypt (ARCE) ... on Egyptian history and culture, foster broader knowledge about Egypt among the ...
          Category: 24799836.  On History: The Egyptian Star Map and Moses - Data concerning Ove von Spaeth's book-series 'Assassinating Moses' - and the ... behind Moses' role in the history of Egypt and the Hebrew people - is extremely ...
          Category: 24799837.  Ancient Egypt - British Museum in Egypt. Daily Life-History 101-Added May, 2003 ... Life in Ancient Egypt. Maps. Maps-History 101. Military Caste. Modern Day Mummies-BBC-May, ... 

Education Directory, - Education Directory - learning and educational resources -  http://www.education-dir.com/main/index.php?page=2479983&cmd=1&ss=Egypt%20History&rpp=10&hidesummary=0&PHPSESSID=a193e74efcfdeb8b5df0e14a7938265e -  (6.May.2007)

Identity Experts and Pharaoh's First-borne
Advanced computer technique used in connection with investigation of criminal cases, in which identity experts are able to reconstruct a face on the basis of the scull of the victim, can also be used to throw new light on some of the mysteries of ancient Egypt.
          According to the Bible the stubborn Pharaoh allowed only after the ten plagues that Moses left with his people. It was the last plague that made him give up his resistance, because "God made the first borne of pharaoh die."
          Kent Weeks, the Egyptologist, has worked in the KV5 tomb since the 1980’s, when it became part of the "Theban Mapping Project", and in 1995 his team had a break-through in their research, when they discovered that many tombs existed in the underground. In these, they found inscriptions and images documenting how pharaoh Ramses II and his sons had lived.
          The measurements of a scull compared with other medico-legal issues from the pharaohnic tomb where the scull was found, made Kent Week conclude that the face belonged to Amon-her-Khepeshefs, who according to many historians is identical with “the first borne of the Pharaoh” - and therefore it had to be the person mentioned in the "Exodus" (e.g. according to a television documentary of Discovery Channel).

Ove von Spaeth's Research
However, before we take a closer look at Kent Week's observations, it is relevant to point out that Ove von Spaeth, the Danish historian and interdisciplinary researcher, in his book series, "Assassinating Moses", has pointed to an error, which apparently is still guiding the thoughts of both theologians and archaeologists. (source reference: Ove von Spaeth's series "Assassinating Moses" of 5 volumes, and www.moses-egypt.net).
          A general assumption is that Moses lived during the reign of Ramses II. Ove von Spaeth's critical investigation discloses something else, however.
          In an attempt to place Moses and the Exodus in a historical context, researchers started with the biblical mentioning of two cities in the Nile delta, i.e. Ra'am'ses (Rameses) and Pi'tom. Ra'am'ses was assumed to be the city in which the Israelites were slave labourers, and named after Pharaoh Ramses II, in the years of 1200 BC. Note, however, that as in many other cases such guesses were accepted as historical facts despite the lack of evidences. But modern analysis methods disclose that the cities are considerably older than originally assumed, and thus there is no basis for believing that Ramses II was the builder.
          Ca. 150 ago egyptologists tried to date Ramses II, and at that time it was believed that he lived and ruled in the years of 1500 BC. Later it was proved that the dating was based on insufficient material, because it was now possible to document that the dating of Ramses II was placed approx. 300 years too early. However, the idea that Moses lived simultaneously with Ramses II was so common that it was uncritically accepted to move Moses to be contemporary with Ramses. Therefore, Moses was erroneously placed in the years of 1200 together with Ramses II.
          When a misunderstanding is repeated again and again by many researchers and mentioned in many treatises and books, it is eventually understood as an indisputable truth - and the research is stuck. ##Undauntedly, traces of Moses were searched for in the wrong century, and obviously nothing was found. If there is a historical truth in the biblical narrative about Moses and the statement that "God killed the first-borne of pharaoh", this was not in any case the first-borne of Ramses II.

Egyptenrejser.dk - Esoteric Egyptology, level: Beginner, Mysteries of Egypt - articles about Egypt - Kings & Queens - Ramses the Second , - http://www.egyptenrejser.dk/a-279-3/  - (August,2007)

lenortancred.com :  Lènor Tancred, author and journalist,
          ... Lènor Tancred was born in Pretoria, South Africa in 1948. After obtaining a B.A. degree in languages at the University of Pretoria, she studied at the Universita per Straneri in Perugia, Italy in 1973. - Lènor Tancred is best described as an "Autonomous Being". An anarchist in the classical sense of the word according to Robert Paul Wolff in his treatise, In Defence of Anarchism. (Harper Torchbooks 1970) ... Claiming kinship with Kipling's "insatiably curious elephant child". Lènor Tancred is a person who questions everything - essential when doing research. - Her interests include art, music, the theatre, art films, horse riding, quantum and astro physics. ...

          www.lenortancred.com/herderprince.html   - "The Herder Prince", by Lènor Tancred, - This is not an historical account of the life of Moses or a factual report of the Exodus of the Children of Israel from Egypt but a work of fiction which focuses on the political implications of two contenders to a throne and the age-old machinations of politicians. ... The author scrutinizes historically accepted Judaeo-Christian perceptions and interpretations of certain events. By not questioning the actions or doctrines – political or religious - of their leaders, people accept and live in bondage.

Lènor Tancred recommends: LINKS:
The Cathars & Albigensian Crusade
          www.languedoc-france.info/12_cathars.htm   - An excellent site with a wealth of information about the Cathars belief system & their presence in Languedoc.
          http://xenophongroup.com/montjoie/albigens.htm   - Informative page about the Cathars and the string of crusades against them.
          www.cathar.info/cathars.htm   Concise information about the Cathars and Montsegur, the last stronghold of the Cathars, as well as early Christian mysteries of the Languedoc.
          www.russianbooks.org/montsegur/montsegur1.htm   - Great historical information about the Cathars and the siege and fall of Montsegur.

The life of Moses
          www.moses-egypt.net/   - The Danish author Ove von Spaeth have published 5 books about the life of Moses as a historical figure based on historical texts and archaeological finds from Egypt. The website contains some interesting historical information as well a long bibliography about Moses.

Lènor Tancred, author and journalist, Pretoria, South Africa, - info@lenortancred.com  -  http://www.lenortancred.com/links.html  -  (September,2007)

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Originally posted by JPH email. - Reader nominations

*First:
http://www.mylot.com/w/discussions/1284612.aspx
          - When arguing about the morality of the Canaanite wars, I asked what fightingistheonlyway would do if there was a modern nation that behaved as the Canaanites did. After much gyrating, he said that he would use sanctions, followed by force. When I pointed out that a nation that raided other nations for fun would ignore sanctions (I haven't pointed out that sanctions didn't exist in the ancient world), and asked about the extent of his use of force, he said:
          "... no country can "ignore sanctions", it destroys economy, and unless they can self sustain, they are screwed. North Korea can self sustain, Iran is still trading with everyone but UK and US. and with all this technology that we have, i would not go on the offensive, i would take out the leader, and anyone associated with him that would go down that path. ..."
          Spot the contradictions. 2 in a minute will win you a brain. XD

*Second:
http://www.useless-knowledge.com/123...rticle430.html
          - scroll to about the middle of the page (look at April 16,1699; July 27,1258, and August 19, 1157) this guy thinks that Raamses is King Solomon.

http://www.moses-egypt.net
          - by some Danish researcher. Looks like Moses-Pagan copycat stuff.

*And, to close for the weekend, a screwy email:
          - i was reading a bit of your website and i was wondering why you are so hard on l.ray smith. down through the centuries things have be added to and subtracted from the Bible. words have been changed from the orginal greek and hebrew. the catholics have kept things out of the Bible. they have even added to their Bibles. i don't see how in the world a person of today can think the Bible of today is the same Bible of centuries ago. think about it and do some hard praying and searching. there are more and more men of God thinking the same way as l.ray smith. just to name a couple is carlton pearson and gary almarault (sp) and not to mention louis abbott. look up the history of the king james version. old james wanted a Bible with his name of it and he changed things and he was a homosexual. - The (apparently people don't know that in King James' country, the book isn't called the King James Version -- that's the American name for the Authorised Version). Curtmudgeon

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Strongs Greek and Hebrew Dictionary - Unger's Bible Dictionary - Nelsons Bible Dictionary - International Standard Bible Encyclopedia - - -
Rawlinson, Moses: His Life and Times (1887); M. G. Kyle, Moses and the Monuments (1912); F. B. Meyer, Moses: The Servant of God (1953);
http://www.bible-history.com/resource/ph_moses.htm

*New data concerning Moses as a historical person is based on Ove von Spaeth's inter-scientifical research in history, egyptology, theology, ...
http://www.moses-egypt.net

*Moses - Timeline of Moses' Life
Moses is adopted by Pharaoh?s daughter and educated in Egyptian wisdom; ... Moses tends sheep for Jethro for 40 years; ...
http://www.commandmentsofyhwh.org/Exodus/moses.htm

*A-D Scenes from the Life of Moses
Christus Rex et Redemptor Mundi, - a private, non-profit organization and its Executive Director Michael Olteanu   (presents:)    A - Moses's Journey into Egypt : Panel view - 318K ... A - Moses's Journey into Egypt : Left view - 117K ... 
http://www.christusrex.org/www1/sistine/A-Moses.html

*The Life of Moses Exodus 2:1-2
Moses means "to draw out " or "extraction . ... Family background ... Moses was just like most of us. God called and Moses made excuses to Him that he couldn?t ...
http://www.brandonweb.com/gbt/sermonpages/exodus2.htm

happycappy.tag.winzy.com, - http://happycappy.tag.winzy.com/Moses  -  (autumn,2007)

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See more about the SIQ Institute: www.siqintelligens.dk

Links - in addition, you may look into some of these:
www.flowinstitute.dk  - Institute for development, research, and propagation on flow.
www.moses-egypt.net  - Research in The wisdom of ancient Egypt.
www.johnnyejberg.dk/  - Physics and Metaphysics.
www.thirax.dk  - Portal with collection of articles. Contents: Advanced spiritual and historical knowledge.

Merete Gundersen, SIQ-therapist, author, lecturer, manager of the SIQ Institute - http://www.siqintelligens.dk/index.php?pid=160  -  (May,2007)

By  OVE VON SPAETH

When a superior pattern is found
During all times the oldest part of the Bible had a firm connection to Moses - however, when research takes place it is possible here to observe some consequenses of a peculiar procedure within the fields of history of religions, theology, and Egyptology.
         Here it is often disregarded that the historical influential and advanced pioneer, Moses, had a genuine Egyptian background and past - all of which is documented in the ancient Rabbinical Writings and by the historians in antiquity.
         When analysing such conditions it discloses a surprising resistance from many researchers with an often grotesque intolerance even because the problem really is brought into new light.

          Within all research it is quite normal that many present scientific ideas or "decisions" later prove to be illusions - partly or completely. Especially the quantum physics knowledge had made this definitely clear to us. When a pattern has been found to be well-fitting - it will only be well-fitting until the appearance of exceptions. And these exceptions can then be explained when - by means of later appearing knowledge - a superior pattern is found. Still, this is the phenomenology which, unfortunately, is so hard for many to accept.
          It was fatal to the study of the Bible’s specific information about Moses that, especially in philological research, academic hypotheses as to how the biblical texts were created, were developed prior to scientific archaeological excavations, analyses, and conclusive findings. As a consequence this unfortunate starting point led in an increasingly mistaken direction. Many researchers adopted the attitude that Abraham and Moses are pure fiction, the exodus never happened - and most of the Bible consist of fictional, national-ideological narratives set in a "patchwork" of religious backgrounds - everything claimed to have been invented by the priests ca. 300 BC.
          Even Buddha was called a myth - and everybody had to believe this just because some scholars said so. But it was actually proved wrong in 1876 when the British archaeologist John Cunningham found and excavated Buddha's "forgotten" town, Lumbini, where he was born, and found Kapilavastu where Buddha spend his childhood. Few years after, King Asoka's legendary buddhistic pillar inscriptions were found too (by Dr. A.A. Fuhrer). However, there was much opposition against these findings. There are in fact hundreds of other examples - let the presented cases be sufficient illustration of the situation.

Science - not a fixed concept but a gradual process
New information found by scientific investigations may be impeded by the irrational reaction of some researchers - some times even by anger, anxiety, and defensive actions. In this way such people in question create a distance to more appropriate, scientific counter-argumentations and analytic criticism. They concentrate mainly on defending what they believe they know and prefer to neglect what they do not know so much about (which in fact could have been the goal of their research). At other times, much fortunately, it could raise the curiosity because a wrong track also may constitute a useful base to - after making a necessary change - expand the knowledge.
          Unfortunately, it is often seen that if a researcher makes a discovery in an unexpected way then a fine result may risk a bureaucratic refusal only because some old special rule were not taken into use. But are the rules elevated to law of nature - instead of being agreed upon merely as practical guide lines? Well-produced results from archaeological finds should not be turned down only because an untraditional instrument or method was used. A classical example is that Schliemann was very much criticised for his discovery of the ancient city of Troy when he followed Homer's geographical descriptions of the site, although Homer's texts hitherto was mostly considered to be myths only.

          A barrier exists when we see scientists' defensive actions for protecting outdated knowledge might turn into a bizarre condemn of new steps, such steps which otherwise could have lead to further developments. But the task of a scientific researcher has never been to condemn but to explain.
          Certain schools of science and studying, not only in fields concerning history, Egyptology, theology etc., should have to look forward to realize the constructive fact that science is a gradual process runned by currently disagreement.

Research and independence - in everybody's interest
Once the independent researcher often had better times - from the 16th century's scientific revolutionaries til the 19th century's self-financing gentlemen scientists. Present science, however, involves many researchers to be seen in the role as one-sided bookkeeping commissars who stick to what is familiar and often aiming at business. This is mirrored in American newspapers when the experts, who have contributed in the articles, are being announced also with a declaration of their financial interests. Thus, it is in everybody's interest that potential bias, either concerning business, prestige or even an avoided challenge, should be shown openly.

          Research will decrease the more it is guided in order to find confirmation of present thinking and institutionalized perceptions - instead of challenging the ideas and opinions.
          But also researchers themselves have to refrain from the tendency of canonizing science - scientists are not gods and are not meant to dictate a world perception - or to be celebrated for defending what is established. If such a procedure should be considered to have anything to do with science a very alternative idea of science has to be required. But what is real science for, if not for getting wiser?

          Already in the ancient Rabbinical Writings - according to S. Baring-Gould's collection in "Legends of Old Testament Characters from The Talmud" (Vol. II, London 1871, p. 78) - it is stated about the high education of the young Moses at the pharaonic court: "...He was to wise to believe what is liquid is solid. ..."
          Skilful research work at universities and scientific institutions is essential and indispensable. However, independent researchers often benefit from operating with unconventional points of view. My favourite researchers are Tycho Brahe, Darwin, Albert Einstein, and Schliemann - none of whom originally had from the beginning a thorough academic scientific training or support, but they invented new, ground-breaking scientific methods and - through by their pioneering research - made discoveries and inventions decisive to the history and mankind.

          Sometimes so-called experts made resistance against a research not performed from their own cirkces. When Howard Carter, the drawer and photographer, who, against the advice of Egyptologists, sought for - and found - the tomb of Tutankhamon, the richest tomb finding in history, he was for a long time not recognized properly by many Egyptologists.
          About others with an unorthodox background, for instance among philosophers, there can be mentioned Descartes, who was a mercenary (already, ancient Greek philosophers Socrates and Xenophon were soldiers famous for their courage and stamina), or Spinoza, the lens crafter, and Humes, the primary enemy of the values of philosophy presented by universities.
          Even Louis Pasteur, one of greatest pioneers in medical history, had no medical exam and degree - and his discovery of bacteriologic existence was contrary to doctors' ideas of thousand years.
          The basis of good research is curiosity - this requires openness to new ideas inclusive those which initially may look like odd ideas. Actually, a considerable number of our genuinely ground-breaking discoveries are the result of extensive studies based on erroneous assumptions.

Ove von Spaeth, writer, researcher, in feature article, "When Believing That Liquid is Solid" - copyright © 2005 - http://www.flix.dk: News & Archives - (13.Jan.2006)

searching.uk.com  Moses' religion. Are you looking for What Did Moses Believe in?
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5.  BBC - Religion & Ethics - Moses: Evidence - the Exodus
The father of the Jewish people who received the Ten Commandments ... Other religions " Messageboards. Have your say on the Religion & Ethics Message Boards " ...
http://www.bbc.co.uk/religion/religions/judaism/history/moses_4.shtml

6. The Freud Museum, London - Education & Public Programme - Freud and Religion
We had assumed that the religion of Moses was to begin with rejected and half-forgotten and that afterwards broke through as a tradition. ...
http://www.freud.org.uk/religion9.html

8. Assassinating Moses, Vol. 5: Reviews
... von Spaeth's research on the historical Moses is renewing our picture of this ... The Moses religion was naturally marked also by features of the past, but an ...
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book5/moses5-reviews_en.asp

9. London Review Bookshop - Religion: - The Five Books of Moses: A Translation with Commentary
James Wood writes: Robert Alter brings kind of sensitivity to bear on moment after moment of his translation, and the result greatly refreshes, ...
http://www.lrbshop.co.uk/product.php?productid=1674&cat=28&page=1

10. Introductions of Vol. 4 of the book-series Assassinating Moses
Moses carried with him an important treasure out of Egypt - a treasure also being of a special knowledge, now tracked down in Ove von Spaeth's book 'The Secret Religion'
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book4/moses4-introduc_en.asp

searching.uk.com, -  http://www.searching.uk.com/moses'_religion.html   -  (October,2007)

bogguide.dk (book-guide) - Opinions.  -
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Assassinating Moses, The Supressed Record, - author Ove von Spaeth. - A fantastic book, wonderful, - many things seem now understandable !!

Winnie Gissing Thomsen, -  http://www.bogguide.dk/meninger.asp?ID=24179  -  (14.Sep.2005)

Subject:  The start of the first volume of "Assassinating Moses".
          "... The executioner's stroke slashes through the air - but stops abruptly an inch from the victim's skull. At the last moment, the deadly blow is arrested, the weapon touching - but not injuring. Death is a hairsbreadth away. The victim is shocked ... appalled. He, who was to have reigned as king over his people, instead has had his identity entirely obliterated by this symbolic execution. Hereafter he is to have no official existence. Remarkably, this dramatic event will lead him to become "ruler" over another nation ... a nation which as yet, does not exist. ..."

          This shows art and depths from the start - and my hair stood on end. - I have bought all the books. Looking forward to continuing reading; tense expectations.
Regards,

Elisabeth Andersen, DK-2800 Kgs. Lyngby, Denmark, focusfactory.dk  -  (10.Sep.2007)

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survey (recommendation): ... As a historian of astronomy I find the basic assumption of a certain planetary constellation in 1537 BC worth testing in relation to biblical research, Egyptology, archaeology as well as general ...
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Dynasty 18 - Ahmose I, Amenhotep I,
... If this is evidence for a helical rising of Sirius, the astronomical calculation gives the date 1537
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... 9.XI of the civil calendar can be fixed with a high degree of probability at 1537 BC" . The Sothic
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Assassinating Moses - Vol. 1: Debate,
... And that he died just before Easter, 1415 BC. All numbers here being transposed into Gregorian calendar style. NOTE: The Gregorian calendar includes new-years at January 1, a costum starting only 250 ...
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History Before Christ,
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Tornado in Israel and the Picture Bible Prophecy Code,
... i.e., 49 + 50th day) (Also the anniversary of the covenant of the law at Mount Sinai and the anniversary of the birth of the Church in the book of Acts) Symbolic date: 1415 BC 1415 BC is 1440 [12 x 40 ...

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TWIG - A golden coffin that may have once held the remains of the pharaoh Akhenaton was shipped from Munich back to Cairo on Friday, its magnificent lid matched up with a base that had been missing from Egypt since 1931. The two halves of the coffin were reunited in October and formed the centerpiece of a three-month exhibit at the State Museum for Egyptian Art in Munich.
          When it was first discovered in 1907 in Tomb 55 of the Valley of the Kings, the coffin was considered a spectacular find. It was immediately identified as one of the treasures of Amarna, the capital founded by Akhenaton in the 14th century BC. Sometime during the course of its restoration at the Egyptian Museum in Cairo, the fragmented base of the coffin went astray. It remained
lost until 1980, when a Swiss art dealer asked Dietrich Wildung, then director of the Munich museum, to identify what looked like a few scraps of gold foil inlayed with semiprecious stones and some pieces of rotten wood.
          How the coffin came to Europe is still a mystery. So is the true identity of the mummy it once contained. Some Egyptologists believe the mummy found in the golden coffin may have been that of Akhenaton’s short-lived successor, Smenkhkare. But Wildung, now at the Egyptian Museum in Berlin, is certain the coffin was built for Akhenaton himself, the ruler who launched a religious
revolution by declaring no god existed but Aton, the sun. In restoring the base of the coffin, he says, specialists found an inscription bearing an emblem only used for the "heretic" pharaoh.
          Munich art historians spent almost three years reconstructing the coffin base with the help of the Egyptian Museum in Cairo, as Bavarian officials negotiated its return in exchange for a permanent loan of other works from the museum’s collection. A change of guard at the Cairo museum and the shifting political climate in Egypt delayed the process until May 2001, when Bavarian governor
          Edmund Stoiber announced the coffin would be returned unconditionally. In response, the Egyptian Museum loaned the lid to Munich for its special exhibit, "The Mystery of the Golden Coffin." A spectacular success, the show closed January 20 after attracting more than 40,000 visitors.
(Recommending:)  www.moses-egypt.net/book1/moses1-inform_en.asp

SLN - Echo Germanica, German-Canadian, - February, 2002 - Nr. 2:  Munich Returns Pharaoh’s Coffin to Cairo http://aquanetsiecwodna.blogspot.com/2007/05/thought-is-free-of-charge.html - (1.Nov.2003)

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4. Moses & New Research / Mysteriet om Moses Revurderet
New data concerning Moses as a historical person is based on Ove von Spaeth's research ... Moses-Egypt.net is optimized for screen size 800x600 and high color. ...
http://www.moses-egypt.net/

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Amazon.co.uk: Moses the Egyptian: The Memory of Egypt in Western Monotheism: Books: Jan Assmann by Jan Assmann.
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6. Introductions of Vol. 4 of the book-series Assassinating Moses
Moses carried with him an important treasure out of Egypt - a treasure also ... Egypt - and was here known to connect also with the historical Moses' dramatic ...
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book4/moses4-introduc_en.asp

9. Moses - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
God commissioned Moses to go to Egypt and deliver his fellow Hebrews from bondage. ... Egypt, who believed Moses and Aaron after they saw the signs that ...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moses

10. Moses: Egypt
According to the Book of Exodus, Moses was a son of Amram, a member of the ... Moses, the biblical leader who guided the Israelites out of slavery in Egypt to ... Without Moses, there would be little apart from laws to write about in the last four books of the Torah
http://www.lycos.com/info/moses--egypt.html

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The esoteric symbolism of the Moses legend is the subject on some of our special weekend courses. Also a going through the surprising news about Moses based on discoveries documented by  the researcher Ove von Spaeth in his book-series, "Assassinating Moses".

          Saturday 10-17: - Morning:  1) Mount Moses and St. Catharine Convent.  2)  The ritual of the royal baby. - Afternoon:  3)  Moses - Jew or Egyptian?  4)  The assassination of Moses.
          Sunday 10-17. - Morning:  5)  The escape from Egypt (the substituting victim),  6)  The 10 plagues. - Afternoon:  7) The Exodus.

          The programme, "Egyptian mysteries in a new light" can be downloaded for free - from the following address,  www.visdomsnettet.dk/pdf/Weekendkurser-Egypten-i-nyt-lys-Esoterisk-egyptologi.pdf

WisdomsSchool in Copenhagen and Aarhus, Egypt's mysteries, WisdomSchool 2, Weekendclasses, Moses-mystery, - http://www.visdomsnettet.dk/a-295/  -  (Spring 2007)

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... and that Moses never used a ram’s horn – that was mentioned once in the Old testament to signify the coming of the Egyptians. It should be noted that the Gregorian calendar (which our modern day one is largely based on) and Jewish calendar do not follow the Zodiac in anyway shape and or form, and that the Zodiac is not a Jewish symbol, and to Christians, has always been regarded as pagan. ... ........
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Quote:   I'm sure youre laughing at stuff like this.

You're welcome, Mate. - Oh yeah, you really nailed me with that link, I can see that clearly. lets see. Wiki is surpcingly neutral on her, there are great scholars for and against. The next link is from Apologetics Ministries, and is filled with the same errors that you copy pasted from the same article.
          Then comes a rabbi who apparently dont like her ideas much, and make the same errors over, as if they worked with the same "anti AS" script.
          Next we have a christian conspiracy theory page, conspiracies as viewed by a christian audience, and da,m if they dont parrot the same bunch of selective facts over, as the first 2.
shit, you had me there bro. I lay down.
          EDIT( a link has been added here) http://www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/moses_survey_en.asp  this should explain a thing or two about where i come from with this.

adramelech, Level 1, - (Join Date: Jun 2007), Posts: 64 - ttp://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=115573&page=3  - (10.Jul.2007)

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Comments: Fenris2 - Close - One day ago. (This contribution was corrected one day ago).
          About Islam and superstition - Probably, this contribution is a bit beside the subject, and yet not … because the majority of this subject is no doubt about superstition.
          Ove von Spaeth, the Danish Researcher at the University of Copenhagen, has written a monumental 5 volume series about the real Moses.
          The inspiration of his books is the combination of a number of different sciences (e.g. Egyptology, history, astronomy, Hebrew, and Greek philology, etc) used to determine years and names of the real Moses and what was the real purpose of the religion he invented. Of course this must replace the superstitious myths later built up around the man and his religion.
          Moses and his Hebrew religion is the basis of all three monotheistic religions, i.e. Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. If once and for all we can kill the myths built up around Moses, this may have major consequences for these three religions.
          At present these five books are being translated from Danish into English opening up for the opportunity of reaching a more substantial number of readers. As Danish speaking we have the opportunity to read them now, before they become available to many other readers.
          Despite the profoundly scientific subject, the books are easily read. If you feel inclined, it is easy to start with the first volume in order to feel the interest.
          I recommend all five of them.
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Comments: hyphesten - Close - one day ago.
          This sounds as an interesting number of books.
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Comments: Fenris2 - Close - one day ago.
          They are, Hyphesten. As an example of what he presents I can tell you that when Moses in his basket sails down the Nile in Egypt, this is in fact a well known ritual for a crown prince. This was something that ALL Egyptian crown princes went through.
          It is also a well known ritual from other ancient countries, e.g. Mesopotamia.
          This fact combined with the fact that Moses clearly is an Egyptian and not a Hebrew name may indicate that Moses was an Egyptian crown prince.
          The books present more evidences (including in particular an astronomical map from a tomb) which cause that with convincing certainty Ove von Spaeth points out that the real name of Moses was Tuthmosis, and that he was intended to become Tuthmosis III, if he had not been subject to a coup and had been exiled by his half brother, who instead became the Tuthmosis III we know from Egyptology.
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Comments: Gilgameesh - Close - One day ago.
          I can absolutely recommend these books. The following link is toa review: http://www.bog-mystik.dk/default.asp?Action=Details&Item=3428
          In fact the Bible is full of Egyptian rituals. Jesus and Osiris were both killed on a Friday and three days later they both resurrected. 25th December is the birthday of Osiris. And like Magdalena, who is asking for Jesus on the day of resurrection, also Isis is asking for Osiris in the Egyptian mystery plays - using almost exactly the same words, "ou have taken my Master away, and I do not know where they have placed him."
          Best regards, Gilgameesh
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Comments: - Jeronima - Close - One day ago.
          Very good contribution, Fenris. Unfortunately the myths will probably not be killed - the more superstition and myths, the more well-being of religious souls! I am looking forward to reading the books. But you are likely to have it from those in biblical faith.


Comments: Jeremia - Close - One day ago.
          I fail to see what that proves!
          The reason why Moses was dragged out of the Nile may have been that the Egyptian princess believed that he was a crown prince. It should be remembered that Moses was adopted by the Egyptian princess, and that this could be the natural reason for his Egyptian name.
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Comments: Fenris2 - Close - 23 hours ago.
          Read your bible, Jeremaia. It says nothing about Moses being adopted by the daughter of Pharaoh. It is a myth created by the church (and the Jews) on the basis of the texts. Obviously, you should read the original, Hebrew Torah. The myths built up around Moses have been included in the translations from Hebrew to Greek. From Greek to English (King James’ Bible), and again from English to Danish. Von Spaeth goes back to the original Hebrew text. And he compares this with contemporary non-canonical, Jewish texts, i.e. the so-called Rabbinical Writings.
          Originally, the Jews have probably realised that Moses was an Egyptian prince. However, when the Jews returned to Judea/Israel after their second exile in Babylon, their faith turned into a more “nationalistic” direction, and when Ezra re-wrote the Jewish Torah, Moses lost many of his Egyptian features. That this was originally a princely ritual had obviously already been forgotten. It was simply not understood any more what was the purpose of this voyage on the Nile in a rush basket.
          But aside from this you should not expect complete and inevitable evidences. That is impossible cutting across 3,500 years of history. Only probabilities are likely, and the impressive amount of evidences presented by Ove von Spaeth makes his theory VERY likely IMHO.
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Comments: Gilgameesh - Close - 22 hours ago.
          Proving what, Jeremia? - We may just start with the rabbit and the badger and to chew the cud.
          Leviticus (3.Mos.) 11:5 og 6. - Or this about insects: Leviticus (3.Mos.) 11:20:  Al fowls that creep, going upon all four, shall be an abomination unto you.
          Leviticus (3.Mos.) 11,21: Yet these may ye eat of every flying creeping thing that goeth upon all four, which have legs above their feet, to leap withal upon the earth.
          Leviticus (3.Mos.)11,22: Even these of them ye may eat; the locost after his kind, and the beetle after his kind, and the grasshopper after his kind.
          Leviticus (3.Mos.) 11,23: But all other flying creeping things, which have four feet, shall be an abomination unto you. - (yet insects have 6 legs, especially God should know this). - Now, it should be your turn to prove that it is the truth presented in the Bible. - greetings, Gilgameesh.
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Comments: Jeremia - Close - 22 hours ago.
          One more time, Gilgameesh, I cannot see what this should prove. - The only thing we can deduct is that insects are not abominable.
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Comments: Jeremia - Close - 22 hours ago.
          When it comes to the Bible, it is incredible how minor details are being scrutinized. Consider for a moment that the same was done to history books. However, it proves that apparently there is something people should not know. Because the Bible is first and foremost the history of the Jewish people, and about the way Judaism was split up in Christianity and traditional Judaism.
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Comments: Gilgameesh - Close - 22 hours ago.
          History has been proved - the Bible has not, - Gilgameesh
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Comments: Fenris2 - Close - 22 hours ago.
          That is right, Jeremia (i.e. that the Torah is a kind of history writing) and you may be happy to know that this is part of what Ove von Spaeth proves in his books.
          For a long time it has been universally accepted among researchers that Moses was pure fabrication - a kind of national hero invented by the Jews.
          In his book Ove von Spaeth refutes this. And simultaneously he explains the mysteries surrounding Moses in a historical context and thus kills the superstition connected to Moses.
          Let me present you to a couple of other examples (and I will not bother with details!!!): wo of the better known episodes in the life of Moses is the event when God’s name is revealed to him at the burning bush, and when he receives the 10 commandments at Mount Sinai. Both episodes are presented by Ove von Spaeth as very clear initiations in a mystery cult. One of the indications of this is that Moses is dressed up for participation in the cult (cf the Bible that when Moses came down from the mountain he had horns on his forehead).
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Comments: vp - Close - 12 hours ago.
          Yes, Gilgameesh - historical facts are exposed both to selection of sources (documentation) and interpretation on the part of the history writer. Just imagine how differently the Palestinian-Israeli conflict could be described - depending on the history writer.

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Quote: - Originally Posted by P3RFECT -  When someone says they have proof. They must provide it. Even ignorant people.

People who actually think they found one really didn't. It was just their mistake. That they confused or biased. Or made a plain mistake. - I did, read back in this post, and others here by me. Allthough none of them by any measure covers what there is to know, for all the pieces to fall into place.
          Personally I would recommend warmly, the 5 volumes on the historical Moses from Ove von Spaeth. But for a better understading of Moses, his refference list is a very good starting point and give you an idea of excactly how much work deciphering the ancients ideas and spirtuality is.
          http://www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/moses_bibliography_en.asp
I can claim to have read less than 1/3 of those books, and that is on Moses alone. My specialty is symbolism, and as such, Moses is not a very important part of my own study, but a part of it none the less.
          For a very good study on the fertility cults and Gnostic communities near the Dead Sea and their connection to Christianity, John M. Allegro's workd are fabulous. He was headhunted to decipher the Dead Sea Scrolls being one of the best in his field, but when he started to write about what he really found in those scriptures as opposed to what the church wanted it to say, he was dropped like a hot potato.
          For a good historical view on Islam, though based on hadith litterature (hadith means stories, like Chinese whispers) Ibn Waraqs : why I'm not a muslim is mandatory reading. - And it goes on. For each point I have made, there is a whole field of study one have to undergo to get anywhere near the truth of the origins of these stories, and the question remains: do you want to know, and work hard for it, or is belief and comfort your path chosen.

abimelech, #92 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=5 -  (29.Jun.2007)

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Quote:  - Originally Posted by P3RFECT - Yup, it's full of those things. Recording and telling stories of those things that has happened. Did you want a pg Bible version?

It says there where ordained by God, which is impossible to belive. And you comfortably skipped the most of my last post to you, that gave you the information on how to get smart on these things. Have you read just one of the books in Ove von Spaeth's references? any of Allegros? if you havent, then you are operating on belief alone, and youre doing it in contrary to a mountain of evidence.
          Example, Gen.15:   2:23  And he went up from thence unto Bethel: and as he was going up by the way, there came forth little children out of the city, and mocked him, and said unto him, Go up, thou bald head; go up, thou bald head.    2:24  And he turned back, and looked on them, and cursed them in the name of the LORD. And there came forth two she bears out of the wood, and tare forty and two children of them.
          So because the children were behaving like children do, God aprently send two she bears to slaughter them. But its all good, right?
          Edited: the word forty has been removed in this line "God aprently send two she bears to slaughter them."

abimelech, #98 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=5  -  (29.Jun.2007)

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Quote:  -  Originally Posted by adramelech  -  It says there where ordained by God, which is impossible to belive. And you comfortably skipped the most of my last post to you, that gave you the information on how to get smart on these things. have you read just one of the books in Ove von Spaeth's references? any of Allegros? if you havent, then you are operating on belief alone, and youre doing it in contrary to a mountain of evidence.

Impossible on what grounds? - You talk about go research this area. By not responding it doesn't mean I skipped it. Second, have you learned all the history of the Bible? Have you read the whole Bible. Have you done all the research on Ove von Spaeth's?
          So because, someone hasn't learned about somebody's researches, yet learned about hundred others things, means that person is only believing on faith alone?

P3RFECT, - #99, -  http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=5  -  (29.Jun.2007)

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Quote:  -  Originally Posted by P3RFECT  -  Impossible on what grounds? - Second, have you learned all the history of the Bible? Have you read the whole Bible. Have you done all the research on Ove von Spaeth's?

Working with symbols, it is a very important book, as is the Quran, so thats a yes.

Quote:  -  So because, someone hasn't learned about someones researched yet learned about hundred others things means that person is only believing on faith alone?

If a particular research is important to understand a subject, then to some degree, yes. If you only read the reseach which confirm what you allready chose to belive, youre not really learning anything new. Im not saying that is what you do, but if you were really out to gain knowledge, the names dropped would have ringed a bell instantly.     ........  .......  .......

abimelech, #100 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=5  -  (30.Jun.2007)

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1.) So you learned all the history of the Bible? You read the whole Bible. You done all the research on Ove von Spaeth's?
2.) Not if that person isn't aware of such research.
3.) k
4.) I'm not to fond of the Quran but, specific names for these versus please.
          To claim a book isn't the word of God because, you don't believe it is doesn't mean it's false. Sorry.

P3RFECT, - #101 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=6  -  (30.Jun.2007)

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Quote:  -  Originally Posted by P3RFECT  -  1.) So you learned all the history of the Bible? You read the whole Bible.

Several times over, yes. But it is unclear to me what you mean with learned all the story of the Bible. I have read them several times yes.

Quote: - You done all the research on Ove von Spaeth's?

No, that is why scholars work together in faculty environments, so each scholars doesnt have to reinvent the wheel over and over. But I have read somewhere near 1/3 of the same litterature that brought him to his conclusions, and he is highly recomended on the theological faculties. If you want to take the, "how do you know if its true then" fallacy, then you don't think very highly of people who devoted their entire lifes to these subjects.

Quote:  -  2.) Not if that person isn't aware of such research.

Now you are, but what Ove is doing is sumerizing work conducted through 150 years, and it took him the better part of 15 years to do so.

Quote: -  4.) I'm not to fond of the Quran but, specific names for these versus please.

There are several, start out with the whole surah (chapter) 9 and ponder.

Quote:  -  To claim a book isn't the word of God because, you don't believe it is doesn't mean it's false. Sorry.

Nor does it become the word of God because you belive that it is, I am however offering you sources so you can truely decide for yourself, now that shit eatin, canabalism and smiting children isnt convincing enough that atleast something is very, very amiss here.
          Here is a Quran browser with several translations avaible: http://www.quranbrowser.com
And if you want to get to the bottom if the meaning of phrases that the translators cant seem to agree upon  www.studyquran.co.uk  provides classical dictionaries, and soon Lanes lexicon on classical arabic grammer will be avaible online, for the same purpose.

abimelech, #102 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=6 -  (30.Jun.2007)

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Quote:  -  Originally Posted by P3RFECT  -  1.) Then say no, don't change the discussion by going to pagan cultures that aren't related to Christianity until after creation.

But they are in fact related. They are the very foundation upon which Christianity, and islam and Judaism is build.

Quote:  -  Here is a part comparison, http://tektonics.org/copycat/mithra.html

Yeah, I have seen it. had you carefully read my posts, you would know that I am well aware of this paper, and laughed when confronted with the DYO google search on acharya.s.

Quote:  -  2.) So you read everything the Scholars have done?

What scholars and on what subject specifically. My point with the litterature list is that each subject on its own, is subject to livetimes of study that in these years are being finnished and published, like Ove's.
          11 references on Mithra, most written by appologetics are excactly what I was reffering to in the acharya debate. This is not proper study, but fancyfull selection of facts, to fit ones own ideas. In faculty terms this is d- material.
          There are many good studies on Mithra and Christianity altso ones that reach the conclution that the interchange of ideas between Mithrites and Christians are superficial, but they are few.

P3RFECT, - #107 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=6  -  (1.Jul.2007)

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1.) But, we wasn't talking about that. You changed the discussion and that is incorrect.
2.) Even so it doesn't change the fact that it shows incorrect comparisons some people make. And provides info at the bottom.
3.) See you are going off again not answering my question. It isn't very difficult. Nor is it being biased which you are.
          Have you read all the researched scholars have done? Yes or No?
Instead of doing research on one side do research on both.

P3RFECT, - #108 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=6  -  (1.Jul.2007)

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Quote:  -  Originally Posted by adramelech  -  1. yes we were
2.) the info at the bottom is the problem, and i have read 7 of those ref erences given, and the paper itself. That other people seem to echochamber eachothers mistakes on various new world order websites is nothing i want on me.
3.) what scholars, on which subject?

1.) You need to re-read buddy. We are talking about did you read all the Bible. You are incorrect.
2.) Wow, you must read really fast.
3.) Ove von Spaeth's, are you paying attention?

P3RFECT, - #114 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=6  -  (2.Jul.2007)

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Quote:  -  Originally Posted by P3RFECT  -  1.) And yet the quotes you make show the lack of knowledge in the Bible. I don't believe you have.

What quotes specifically, are we talking about? The direct quotations? mate, i didnt make those up nomatter how uncomfortable it may be to you that they are in there. This is just you being a yellow bellied coward, instead of pointing out my flaws, you just say that there are there....somwhere.

Quote: - 2.) Know the Bible could mean I know what the Bible is and what it represents. You have to be specific to say I know everything about the Bible.

And I haven't said that iI know everything about the bible, this is you posting a strawman. I have said i have read the bible, many times over. I even know parts of it by memory, this is stated 4 times by me, and i can find the quotations.

Quote:  -  Do you know the Lord of the Rings? yes, I know the lord of the rings. Doesn't mean I know everything about it. Just means I know it.

But having read it 15-20 times over for study, plus all the hours spent searching for specific parts, would mean i know it quite well, right?

Quote:  -  3.) But, you didn't answer the question. Do you know everything about that subject. Yes or No. It's easy to answer.

The subject of Ove's work? yes i do.    .......   .......   .......

adramelech, - #120 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=7  -  (3.Jul.2007)

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Quote:  -  Originally Posted by P3RFECT  -  1.)You done all the research on Ove von Spaeth's?

Quote: - Originally Posted by adramelech  -  No, that is why scholars work together in faculty environments, so each scholars doesnt have to reinvent the wheel over and over. But i have read somewhere near 1/3 of the same litterature that brought him to his conclusions, and he is highly recomended on the theological faculties.

Quote:  -  Originally Posted by P3RFECT  -  3.) But, you didn't answer the question. Do you know everything about that subject. Yes or No. It's easy to answer.

Quote:  -  Originally Posted by adramelech the subject of Ove's work? yes I do.

But, I thought you said you didn't know. Interesting?

P3RFECT, - #135  - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=7  -  (1.Jul.2007)

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Quote:  -  Originally Posted by P3RFECT  -  But, I thought you said you didn't know. Interesting?

Interresting that you would mix my answers like that - you say,

Quote:  -  1.) You done all the research on Ove von Spaeth's?

- and then you quote me on this:

Quote: - Originally Posted by adramelech - No. that is why scholars work together in faculty environments, so each scholars doesn't have to reinvent the wheel over and over. But I have read somewhere near 1/3 of the same litterature that brought him to his conclusions, and he is highly recomended on the theological faculties.

- which was the answer to this:

Quote:  -  1.) So you learned all the history of the Bible? You read the whole Bible. You done all the research on Ove von Spaeth's?

- The answer to von Spaeth was isolated here. But we both understand that we have gone past eachother, so you state,

Quote: - 1.) You need to re-read buddy. We are talking about did you read all the Bible. You are incorrect

- My answer:

Quote:  -  1. and I stated, "several times, yes"

- then finally you clarify the Ove von Spaeth part, showing you knew full well I was unsure of the question whicb is why I asked whom you mean

Quote:  -  3.) Ove von Spaeth's, are you paying attention?

- and I answer,

Quote:  -  3.) yes I have read his reasearch, his conclusions, AND I have debated him on them. We being from the same 5 million people country with 2 theological faculties, were he is a common guest speaker. Other than that trye using the quote function, it makes the whole thing a lot easier.

- but youre not being dishonest, and pigs can fly, and trees grow into heaven.

adramelech, - #139 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=8  -  (9.Jul.2007)

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Quote:  -  Originally Posted by adramelech  -  No, that is why scholars work together in faculty environments, so each scholars doesnt have to reinvent the wheel over and over. But I have read somewhere near 1/3 of the same litterature that brought him to his conclusions, and he is highly recomended on the theological faculties. - If you want to take the, "how do you know if its true then" fallacy, then you don't think very highly of people who devoted their entire lifes to these subjects.

- this is not the answer to this:  - Quote: - Originally Posted by P3RFECT - You done all the research on Ove von Spaeth's?
- but to this:  - Quote: - 1.) So you learned all the history of the Bible? You read the whole Bible. You done all the research on Ove von Spaeth's?
- and the answer come only after you defined on my request, that you meant know ALL the stories like people who have spend their entire lifes on it. obiously i have not spend my whole life on it.
          Why do you insist to distort what i said?

adramelech, - #142 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=8  -  (9.Jul.2007)

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How is it not the answer? I gave a question and you responded to it with that post.
          It doesn't matter what you say before or in between the conversation. What matters is that you stated that then later changed it. It's called flip flopping.
          It's only distorted to you because, you cannot accept your mistake.

P3RFECT, - #143 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=8  -  (9.Jul.2007)

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Quote:  -  Originally Posted by adramelech  -  How is it not the answer. I gave a question and you responded to it with that post.

AND I said I was unsure what you meant. So when you defined I did as well, why is this so hard for you to fathom? - Your strawmen is not my mistake. - You said you was unsure with the Bible discussion not about the Ove-von-discussion. - I know calling it a strawmen is how you run away from a conversation but, that doesn't change your hypocrisy.

Quote:  -  Originally Posted by P3RFECT - You done all the research on Ove von Spaeth's?

Right here is your response to my question above Plain as Daylight

Quote:  -  Originally Posted by adramelech  -  No that is why scholars work together in faculty environments, so each scholars doesnt have to reinvent the wheel over and over. But i have read somewhere near 1/3 of the same litterature that brought him to his conclutsons, and he is highly recomended on the theological faculties. If you want to take the, "how do you know if its true then" fallacy, then you don't think very highly of people who devoted their entire lifes to these subjects.

You did not say, be more specific please during our whole conversation about the Ove-von.

Quote:  -  Originally Posted by P3RFECT  -  3.) But, you didn't answer the question. Do you know everything about that subject. Yes or No. It's easy to answer.

Quote:  -  Originally Posted by adramelech  -  the subject of Ove's work? yes i do.

Flip and Flop.

P3RFECT, - #145 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=8  -  (9.Jul.2007)

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Ahh, I can see where we're missing eachother...I thought you where reffering to his litterature, as having fact checked Ove. No, i have only read roughly 1/3 of the books in his litterature list, but scholars need to be able to trust eachother so they dont have to reinvent the wheel over and over.
          Your'e right, it was my mistake, but its not a flip flop. Just to make it blatantly clear,
1. I have read the Bible several times over, and studied parts of it in depth.
2. I have read Ove's Thesis (his work), but have not fact checked him, or less than 1/3 of it.
          Still you're free to belive about me what you want to, but try and spend less time on me, and my person and more time on the information I provide you with, thank you.
          Edit: Altso you have to keep in mind that English is my 5th language, so there are nuances that i miss sometimes, like its the case here.

adramelech, - #146 - http://forums.gametrailers.com/showthread.php?t=112831&page=8  -  (9.Jul.2007)

Saturnian Cosmology --Jno Cook - Appendix: Notes on the chronology - Copyright © 2007 Jno Cook - URL of this page: http://saturniancosmology.org/chron.php
This page last updated: Sunday, August 5th, 2007
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On Saturnian Cosmology. The Egyptians had apparently established a calendar after 2349 BC, and in this era divide the dome of the stars into 36 segments to mark time (at night), which later became known as "decans" by the Greeks, because they are 10 degrees apart accros a 360 degree sky. These are first shown in the tomb of Senmut, 1473 BC, the Calendar Registrar and Visier to Queen Hatshepsut. [note 32]
          For an analysis of the images see Ove von Spaeth: "Dating The Oldest Egyptian Star Map", Centaurus, V42 (2000). Von Spaeth notes that the rock cut tomb was abandened during construction in 1493 BC. The central portion depicts the circumpolar constellations. The circles represent 12 months (of 24 divisions each). A portion of the decans and planets are shown on the bottom. Von Spaeth suggests the planets show a conjunction of all the planets, except Mars, in 1534 BC. Later tombs duplicate this arrangement when the conjunction is repeated (with Mars).

jno Cook, - Saturnian Cosmology - Appendix: Notes on the chronology, - saturniancosmology.org/chron.php  - & -  jno@saturniancosmology.org  -  (5.Aug,2007)

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Crystalinks: The Dragon and the Pearl, Axis Mundi, Identifying Hatshepsut's Mummy, -  http://www.crystalinks.com/elliesworld.html
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