DEBATE, MANIFESTATIONS, AND NEWS CONCERNING THE BOOK-SERIES ON HISTORICAL MOSES
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Leading forward to the great homepage, 27
February 2007 - greating:
And what a website!
Quite by chance I came across a reference to Moses - and on from there to
your website.
And what a website!
However I could have
missed your books - is a mystery to me.
But better late than never.
In search of the Knights templar knowledge,
http://www.merling.dk :
This hypothesis is sustained: the Jews possessed secret knowledge kept in
archives founded by Moses. These archives contained secret religious documents,
which Moses got access to, when he plundered the Egyptian temples prior to the
exodus. (see: http://www.moses-egypt.net
)
Moses supplied the
archives with his own handwritten books - the Books of Moses. The archives are
the original Jewish "bible" - the original Old Testament. Only the initiated -
selected members of the priesthood - had access.
Parallel facts about Senmut and Moses,
Visdomsnettet.dk, Spring 2006 - info:
Moses and Senmut - and extremely
systematic and detailed research
Concerning the book-series ASSASSINATING MOSES, by Ove von Spaeth:
- The Danish writer and
explorer, Ove von Spaeth, has published his explorations in five volumes about Moses. The
books present well-documented information which reverses the traditional
conception of Moses and his life.
Moses, was he an
Egyptian and thus not a Jew? - Indeed, who was Moses really? Ove von Spaeth's extremely systematic and detailed research discloses
that the lives of Moses and Senmut, the Egyptian Architect, are surprisingly
identical.
The amount of identical
events is simply overwhelming. Indications concerning identity questions are
supported by Ove von Spaeth's books with their extensive collection of exact
source exemplifications and actual parallel facts about the status, the
positions, and the works of Senmut and Moses.
The potential of this
intelligent, creative, innovative initiator, Senmut, who was closely connected
to the royal family, is in so many ways identical to many specific areas exactly
according to what the Rabbinical Writings and other ancient sources inform about
Moses' varied talents and actions, and thus - also according to the Bible - he
had the title, "The Son of Pharaoh's Daughter".
To see the connection
between Senmut and Moses requires of course a starting point in respect of the
natural scientific objective ideal as far as eliminating preconceived ideas are
concerned, so that research can be done with a new view also on the displaced
sources.
The authors
ability to see the connection between Senmut and Moses has of course
required a starting point in respect of the
natural scientific objective ideal as far as eliminating preconceived ideas are
concerned, so that research can be done with a new view on the displaced sources
also.
Normally, the biblical research
has so far been carried out as if Moses is only known in the biblical version.
Thus hitherto in the research of this lines by and large all Egyptian, Greek, Roman,
Indian, and Arab traditions, and the records of the oldest Church fathers, have mostly been restrained as disturbing elements.
Ove von Spaeth's
book-series is a genuinely good foundation for the teaching about Moses. -
You can download the folder "Assassinating Moses" ("Attentatet pĺ Moses") as
a pdf-file. (For reading the file the programme Acrobat Reader should be
used - in case, you can get it from
www.adobe.com
- and it is free).
The material can be
downloaded by clicking the pdf-file:
http://www.visdomsnettet.dk/pdf/Attentatet-paa-Moses-VisdomsRejser-Esoterisk-egyptologi.pdf
www.answers.com,
the view of Hatshepsut's coronation, March 2007
- reference:
Moses - in the Egyptian point of view
www.answers.com - Tell me
about: the view of Hatshepsut's coronation - (No37)
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Introductions of Vol. 1 of the book-series Assassinating Moses www.moses-egypt.net/book1/moses1-introduc_en.asp :
"... Based on the exact information of the Rabbinical
Writings it is possible to sustain that in 1534 BC (in February) the Daughter of
Pharaoh gave birth to Moses. This time is consistent with the coronation of
Hatshepsut the year before, when this young daughter of Tuthmosis I through this
became her father's co-regent with official title as Pharaoh's
Daughter! ...
... When the Egyptian
identity of Moses was officially cancelled, he was made "non-existing" in his
native country of Egypt, all of which is another reason for the apparently
disappeared traces of Moses in the very country of Egypt. Some traces which
still might be remaining, have frequently been ignored, especially because the
Moses narrative mainly has been considered on he basis of later times'
interpretation of the biblical texts instead of on an Egyptian point of view.
..."
Cf.
www.moses-egypt.net/book1/moses1-introduc_en.asp
Latest reading material from Ove von Spaeth,
johnnyejberg.dk, 4 Feb. 2007 - info:
Looking forward to your records and latest reading
I was tipped off about your latest reading material, which I understand is
also quite extensive. I am looking forward to reading your records.
At my link collection at
my homepage, www.johnnyejberg.dk I should also be glad to pass on this
information - about the links leading to your new texts - to whoever might visit
my page.
Factbites.com, on topic: 1487 BC, spring 2007 - data mining:
Well-articulated, thought-provoking
Factbites.com -
http://www.factbites.com/topics/1487-BC.
- Topic: 1487 BC
- Factbites, created by
Rapid Intelligence, Sydney, Australia. - Computational linguistics, data
mining, data warehousing and artificial intelligence - a search engine more
for content analysis than link popularity. - Other credits of ours:
AskTheBrain and NationMaster free educational resource and the world's
largest statistical database on comparing counties.
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On Vol. 2 of the book-series Assassinating Moses
- This is a
well-articulated, thought-provoking text that is very enjoyable reading and
which should interest any avid reader of ancient history for scientific and
personal reasons alike.
- Eventually - by a
historically well known coup in 1488/1487 BC - this new Pharaoh seized the
complete power from Hatshepsut, who was also his father's sister, his
mother-in-law, as well as his pro forma step-mother.
- The star map in
question constitutes the adornment of a tomb construction which belonged to the
grand vizier and calendar chief of Queen Hatshepsut. www.moses-egypt.net/book2/moses2-introduc_en.asp (2521 words)
Other credits include
NationMaster.com online database and visualization tool for comparing
countries - featured in The New York Times, CNN, BBC - recommended by the
Harvard Business School and the American Library Association.
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James Cameron, The New York Times, and the
Red Sea, 6 April 2007 - reflections:
Did the Red Sea part? Absence of evidence is not an
evidence of absence
Prior to Easter the following text appeared in The New York Times - and I
bring an excerpt here:
"... Did the Red Sea
Part? No Evidence, Archaeologists Say; - by Michael Slackman,
The New York Times, April 3, 2007: On the eve of Passover
... Egypt's chief archaeologist - Dr. Zahi Hawass - took a bus full of journalists
into the North Sinai to showcase his agency's latest discovery. It didn't look
like much - some ancient buried walls of a military fort and a few pieces of
volcanic lava. ... That prompted a reporter to ask about the Exodus, and if the
new evidence was linked in any way to the story of Passover? The archaeological
discoveries roughly coincided with the timing of the Israelites' biblical flight
from Egypt and the 40 years of wandering the desert in search of the Promised
Land. - "... Really, it's a myth," Dr. Hawass said of the story of the Exodus,
as he stood at the foot of a wall built during what is called the New Kingdom.
- But Egypt is also a
spiritual center, where for centuries men have searched for the meaning of life.
Sometimes the two converge, and sometimes the archaeological record confirms the
history of the faithful. Often it does not, however, as Dr. Hawass said with
detached certainty - "... Sometimes as archaeologists we have to say that never
happened because there is no historical evidence, ..."
- Dr. Mohamed Abdel-Maqsoud, the head of this excavation, seemed to sense
that such a conclusion might disappoint some. - Then he offered another
theory, "... a pharaoh drowned and a whole army was killed," he said
(recounting the portion of the story that holds the parted Red Sea to allow
the Israelites to escape and closed the waters on the pursuing army), - "...
and Egyptians do not document their crises."
Few months ago
'Titanic' filmmaker James Cameron on his movie on the Exodus proclaimed it
possible to find scientific evidence of biblical "Red Sea parting" - and he was
much criticized.
The biblical event might
not have happened as described, probably not. But what was it then that happened?
I think there is a core of truth in all myths of this carat.
In your
Moses-series' volume
3, "The Vanished Successor" you document meticulously in the chapter 10
that the Bible and the Rabbinical Writings contain enough data about the episode
to prove a natural and fine logical coherence - also with the geography and all
the archaeological facts - so, without any problem, the description can present
pure realism.
I have now re-read your
text in the book, i.e. the volume 3 of your Moses-series, and I must say that
what you have established is most convincing (as usual). The core of truth,
which has to exist, I think is really present here.
Bjorn Andersen, Journalist DJF, Lecturer and BA in Literary
criticism and Linguistic science at Copenhagen University, former Programme
Editor at the Danish National Television -
biorn@mail.dk - (6.Apr.2007)
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Readers' mail, 7 March 2008 -
opinion:
Alchemy by Moses - such intriguing material
Concerning Ove
von Spaeth's article "Alchemy
by Moses - and by Tycho Brahe and Newton" I must say that I am very, very
fascinated. It is incredibly exciting. We become extremely carried away by the
intriguing material and content although there may be many details for the
reader to keep track of. Altogether: marvellous, to express it in short.
Indeed, a true pleasure!
One suddenly discovers knowing considerably more than when started. And it is a
wonderful experience. Completely out in detail - for example. really exciting to
read about H.C. Andersen alchemical sequence-order of the dogs in the fairy tale
on the tinder box.. It knew I did not.
When I had read the last
line, I sat back with a hope that you will consider bringing a couple of pages
more: a kind of summary at the end. When such a comprehensive research article
naturally gives much new information and imparts us with many new angles, etc.,
it can be incredibly useful for the readers afterwards to clarify: in what areas
can I find the most essential in what I just read? Add a survey.
Best wishes and thanks
for this opportunity to read something that much exciting.
Jens Jřrgensen, B.A. Historian, Writer, former Headmaster,
- City Council of Slagelse - jens@slagelse.dk
- (7.mar.2008)
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Moses Page Annotations, 9th May, 2007 - Inquiry
I have read the five volumes on Moses - they are
without religious compulsive ideas
Has Ove von Spaeth written any books or lectures on explanations to the New
Testament?
From my reading in the 5
volumes I can remember that some scriptural passages about Moses were commented
on, and I would appreciate explanations to various passages of the New
Testament; e.g. Paulus' idea of the three levels of glory, and baptism for the
dead, etc. Would be very grateful for a reply. Best regards, Mai-Liis
:: OvS's reply, - Thank you for your interest. My
books and articles, which mainly deal with historic circumstances and almost
without any theology, do not comprise such subjects of your inquiry.
Unfortunately, in this case I am unable to help you out concerning your
questions about the New Testament. Good luck with finding some assistance. Best
regards,
Ove von Spaeth
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Dear Ove von Spaeth: - First, I would like to thank you for your personal
reply. Secondly, I want to thank you for having inspired us with literature on
the vast knowledge that you have gathered.
We are two friends here
in Moss, Norway, with a dream about explanations to the different levels in the
texts written in the Bible, and about what is the real meaning in some of the
various passages. We are tired from the usual reply, i.e. "but it is in the
Bible", because it excludes any further discussion. We are "victims" of our lack
of knowledge about the "truths" of the Bible, and we are sceptics
regarding all sources, especially from the Christian (churches), which basically direct our
comprehension to their built-in superstition.
Of course we cannot
"order" a work from a writer; however, we would like to let you know that you
are the only writer we know of, whose ideas on these matters we would like to be
acquainted with, especially because of your unrivalled knowledge about ancient
Egypt. And your lack of Christian compulsive ideas is a blessing.
You need not reply to
this if you are short of time. We inform all friends and acquaintances of you
and your books. In addition, I run my own personal promotion about you to group
members on the net of exmormon.com. This is a group of some thousands of
ex-Mormons, who are interested in obtaining some quality knowledge. Wish you all
the best, thank you for being with us. Best regards,
"... Cullen, J.:
The Book of the Covenant in Moab: A Critical Inquiry into ...
May, H.G.: Moses and the Sinai Inscriptions, The Bibical Achaeologist, 8,
1945, pp. ...
cf.
www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/moses_bibliography_en.asp "
Dianna Padgett wrote on January 31, 2009 at 1:17am
Moses' is not a Hebrew
name. It is an Egyptian title meaning 'Child of', usually reserved for
nobility.. Ove places Moses in Egypt in 1534-1415 BC. The 'Child' in question
was important enough that his birth was prophesized by the stars. This is
according to the Rabbinical writings, as well as Josephus, the ancient Jewish
writer of history.
The first word of the
first verse of Genesis is B'RaShith. B or Ba is Egyptian for Soul
and then comes Ra and Set. So it starts out The Soul of Ra and
Set. That's a little more than coincidence.
Also in the first verse
is the letter combination Mim, Vau, Aleph, Tau which spells Muat, the
Egyptian Vulture Goddess whose qualities are Motherhood and the processing of
death into life.
The Egyptian Gods Huh and
Hauhet express the expansion and contraction expressed by Moses in Genesis, Vs
1:1 in his enumeration of H'Shmim and H'Aretz (Heaven and Earth). The Qabalistic
translation is: "Power defined Spirit Wills universal manifestation. Universe
becomes humanity's power moving to culmination".
So, first is the
expansive creation then it contracts into humanity, first the macrocosm then the
microcosm.
All this is just in the
first verse.
Moses grew up in the
Egyptian temple and palace. Of course the text is based on Egyptian concepts.
How could it be otherwise?
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Dianna Padgett wrote on January 31, 2009 at 7:14am
I read
Ove von Spaeth's"The Knights Templar's
Knowledge from Egypt - and Moses" at
http://www.thirax.dk/artikler/OveSpaeth/Ove2/index-uk.html
- and got intrigued by the dimensions of the alter. It was 1 by 1.5 by 2 cubits.
Because of the relationship and to turn it into whole numbers it becomes 2 by 3
by 4 half cubits. So the alter contains 24 cubic half cubits. Each of the 3
cubic cubits contains 8 cubic half cubits.
From the perspective of
Alchemy (which I believe to be the true treasure taken from Egypt by Moses) that
represents the 8 steps in alchemy done 3 times. The eight steps consist of the
seven processes and the Return. The return creates the circle, the zodiac.
"Before enlightenment you chop wood and haul water. After enlightenment you chop
wood and haul water."
There is repeated
reference to doing the processes 3 times to make it work. These 24 steps in the
total process is applied to 3 levels, the physical, psychological, and
spiritual. 24 times 3 is 72, the total constellations recognized at the time
(see above referenced article) as well as the number of the Shemhamphorash (72
names of God) AND the number of Solomon's demons.
It's a revelation of the
alchemical process in 3 simple dimensions. One cubit divided into 2 half cubits
(Solve/separate) applied to 3 dimensions (et/time/space) creates the reunited
solid foundation (coagula/4). It's all to do with 2,3,4.
8 is 2 times 4. times 3
is 24. Times 3 is 72.
7 is 3+4 and the 2 (as
above, so below and a return to the beginning). It's simple and beautiful. The
Egyptians revealed it in their temples, the Knights Templar in their cathedrals
and Moses in his alter.
PS, I'm really getting into alchemy. It was so much a part of Egypt for
so long it seems reasonable that Moses would have incorporated it into his text.
Alchemy just brings everything I've learned together in a beautiful and REAL
quest based on real experiences. I love it!! - Dianna
Notice: - OVE VON SPAETH's intriguing books on the historical Moses (www.moses-egypt.net)
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ABOUT. - Dianna Padgett was born in Beckley, West Virginia, in 1949, and
has been studying the Qabalah for about thirty years. - For four years,
she underwent intensive study in the "International Order of Hermetic
Knowledge" in Charlottesville, Virginia, and attained an extensive
understanding of the Qabalah, Eastern philosophies, and a variety of
other disciplines. Her Hierophant gave a sturdy foundation on which to
build an understanding of a wide range of disciplines.
In 1997, Dianna wrote and published The Reconciliation of James Douglas
Morrison, i.e. an alchemical treatise of the Tetragrammaton as applied
to the life of Mr. Morrison. Currently, she is in partnership with Brad
Branson to produce an analysis of the Book of the Law.
Your book - very important for 'mosaic' scholarship
Searching information on Moses I've found your web and the news of your
book(s) "Assassinating Moses". There I've read that the book is in Danish, a
language that I can't read at all, unfortunately, though at least you've
been kind enough to offer to us a translation into English of some chapters
of the first volume.
At this very moment I'm
writing my own essay on Moses and am trying to discuss some of the existent
theories on Moses' identity and time, so that I'd like to discuss yours.
My question is double:
first, do you have an electronic file of the text in English, so that I can
read it all? And second, given that your answer to the first question be
'no', do you consider that the three chapters in English hung from your web
site are enough to make to myself a clear idea of your thesis?
I've also read reviews
and opinions of your study which make me think it is very important for
"mosaic" scholarship, so how is it that no one has been interested in
translation to languages other than Danish? I wish a Spanish publishing
house would be interested on it, certainly!
José Alfredo Gonzalez Celdran, Spain, jagceldran@hotmail.com
- (28.Oct.2007)
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:: OvS's reply. - For a long time a great
interest for translations of my books is exposed - this interest from the
public also clearly shown on the various
debate pages on
'Moses-web'. However, publishers seldom seem to read web sites and know
not much about these books yet. After some time, a ready translation of the
first volume is planned to be presented for publishing in English by
international publishers.
The main features of the
new concept concerning a real documentation of the historical Moses are
contained in the material already published on the
web site of the
Moses-series. Many existing theories about Moses are unfounded often
because of a not carefully investigated or even completely wrong chronology,
in fact a significant and most difficult key.
Thanks for your
interest, but with all fairness and respect it must be said that no author
should in advance give away copies of his book's manuscripts, and not at all
in this case revealing a lot of discoveries and surprising finds.
Regarding if a Spanish
publishing house would publish, it would be a successful action. The ancient
subject is of great importance, and I wish you good luck indeed with your
own papers.
. . . . .
- José A.G.C.: (29.Oct.2007) - In Spain
publishing houses prefer to publish best-seller books rather than essays,
mainly if the essays are not popular, that is, if they are accurate, with a
lot of information and not specially easy to read for the common reader. So
I don't know if I'll have success or not when I finish my study and see the
work published, and this even taking into account that I've published three
books yet!
Anyway, I regret your
book is just in Danish, though I hope it will not take too long before a
printed copy of Assassinating Moses will be available.
Now I'm going to examine
deeply your web and will get a printed copy of everything I need. Thank you
again and good luck with your book and your theory.
. . . . .
:: OvS's reply. - In many countries today's
big publishing houses are more and more turned to be "book-factories" mostly
producing books to be sold at the supermarkets. This must make us
concentrate our search in other directions for the interested, specialist
publishers who still exist.
Concerning obtaining
Moses-data from my book's web site, many opportunities are offered here
because I have chosen among the many
reviews in Danish
(and Norwegian) to present some of them with most information about the work
now by
translations in
English of the reviews and
debate opinions.
Also in English, the Moses-web presents many
scholars' individual introductions and includes all the books' tables of
contents.
In addition, you may look
into the huge
biography
on 120 years of Moses literature and studies and many relevant articles
on the subject are to be found among the
Zenith-files. And, just in case, on every pages in English at this web
site there is a translation device, e.g. for English into Spanish.
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Jahmerah.com, Mark Taylor Harbin, 28 October
2007 - info on new site:
Your articles
I trust all is well - I am finalizing my own website now and was wondering if
you had any astrology articles you might want to post there with link to your
site(s) etc.
I see that this is on
your site
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut-files_survey_en.asp
- This would be an interesting piece I think.
On my site,
www.jamerah.com I will be focusing on feng shui, chinese
astrology, western (exo & esoteric) astrology and numerology. I am working to
complete the English site by 7th of November now. Then afterward, the Norwegian
site by February, 2008.
Mark Taylor Harbin, 4306 Sandnes, Norway, -
post@jamerah.com -
www.jamerah.com -
(28.Oct.2007)
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Mailbox, 1st of August 2006 -
opinion
You have a comprehensive insight in history
Eventually, I have read many of
your texts about Moses, Freud, Tycho Brahe, the
Pleiades etc. with greatest interest - incredibly interesting and very well
written.
Ove von Spaeth, you have
a marvellous and comprehensive insight in history, being only granted very few.
May I say for my own interest, I somewhat miss - if possible - even further data
and year numbers? I look forward to read some more interesting texts from your
hand.
Hans Baron Anckarstjerna, journalist, historian, publisher
of the journal EuropaHistorie - and reporter at Flix.dk Danish Web Journal
http://www.flix.dk -
(1.Aug.2006)
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losangeles.craigslist.org, 22 March 2009 -
opinion:
Re: There's no biblical proof that Moses ever existed !
Reply to: pers-chg9y-1087177260@craigslist.org
Date: 2009-03-22, 4:29PM PDT - PostingID: 1087177260
Very true. - Actually, there are records of the life of Moses outside the Bible.
Records whether it is in a computer data base or cave paintings are all recorded
and kept by man so we pick and choose what we will or won't believe. I happen to
trust the Bibles' historical accuracy and believe as well none of the authors
had hidden agendas. Have a nice day!
cf.:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book1/moses1-cap1_en.asp
Concerning many researchers' dismissal of the oldest texts of the Bible,
i.e. The Pentateuch, a hypothetical claim can be seen: that the texts consist of myths or
are later 'fabricated' products. However, it
has been demonstrated openly that this is completely wrong - not least
according to a comprehensive and thorough documentation with concrete and
direct sources.
Many researchers place the time of Moses too late in history, although
traces of him have not been found in those later periods. Other researchers
persist in seeing Moses as a myth because they do not believe that any
traces of him exist at all.
The result? Again, many
researchers adopted the attitude that: a) Abraham and Moses
are pure fiction,
b) the exodus never took place, and c) that
most of the Bible consists of fictional, national-ideological narratives set
in a 'patchwork' of religious backgrounds - everything invented by the
Jewish priests ca. 300 BC.
However, for various
reasons it is totally ignored that concrete Egyptian source documentation on
Moses exists. In Ove von Spaeth's book-series "Assassinating Moses" in
addition to these data hundreds of handed down sources, Egyptian, Greek,
Arab, Indian, etc., presented by archaeologists, historians, Egyptologists,
anthropologists, and numerous researchers from many disciplines of science - are
brought to light.
Also, while the many
undocumented claims that the ancient biblical text material is
non-historical are based on numerous 'interpretations', all the genuine source documentation on Moses' historical existence is given directly in the following - entirely without any such interpretation:
From Egyptology:
Among confirming archaeological finds analysed on the basis of their historical,
anthropological, physical, chemical, and geographical circumstances some
extraordinary finds should be mentioned: 1. It
is a fact that the pharaoh now known as Tuthmosis II is mentioned in ancient
Jewish texts, the Rabbinical Writings, as "stepfather of Moses" and "the husband
of Pharaoh's daughter". Also Egyptian-Jewish writer Artapanos in Alexandria,
ca. 150 BC, maintained it - as quoted by ancient Church historian Eusebius of
Caesarea who specifically states ("Evangelica Praeparatio", IX, 27, text lines
433b-434b) - that this particular pharaoh (Tuthmosis II) was the oldest known
case of a person suffering from elephantiasis.
The mummy of Pharaoh
Tuthmosis II was found as late as in 1881, and his skin still showed signs of an
advanced stage of an affliction resembling elephantiasis - the most severe case
ever seen on any royal mummy. This strongly indicates that these specific data
about Moses cannot have been invented, as they refer exactly to the certain
pharaoh and his time, ca.1500 BC. Thus, it even determines a more correct time
for the existence of Moses.
In addition, Artapanos is
mentioned by Church Father, Clement of Alexandria, 150-211/216 AD, (Clement:
"Stromata" I, 23, 154). Artapanus states the names of the pharaohs associated
with the life of Moses. These are clearly rulers also found in the various
epitomes of the list of kings given by ancient Egyptian historian Manetho, ca.
280 BC, derived from his three volumes, "Aegyptiaca". The pharaohs are those of
the 18th Dynasty. So, when Artapanus mentions the reign of Chaneferre, i.e.
Khenephres, this is one of the names of Pharaoh Tuthmosis II also called Chebron
which is a reference to his Egyptian first name, Aakheperenre (thus it was
definitely not, as some researchers suggest, Sobekhotep IV Chaneferre who ruled
ca. 1700 BC).
Moreover, Clement of
Alexandria in his "Pamphilis" (Book 9, Ch. 27, 1-37) presents a detailed account
about Moses, placed in the era of the well-known 18th Dynasty. 2. Around
280 BC the Egyptian King Ptolemy II had started collecting the ancient temple
libraries and archives from all over Egypt for his new large library of
Alexandria - actually two legendary libraries, "Serapeion" next to the Serapis
temple, and "Mouseion" (Latin: Museum) in the large ground floor storey of the
giant lighthouse at the harbour. They would contain "all knowledge of the
civilized world", and several hundred thousand scrolls and books were stored
there; he motivated an intensive effort to translate many works into the
international language, Greek. The king's historian, the priest Manetho, could
here refer from a huge, mostly Egyptian material, that Moses' and the
Israelite's exodus took place during the time of the Pharaoh Amenophis whom we
know now as Amenhotep II. He was Tuthmosis II's grandson. Again, the time frame
for Moses is an exact match. Also e.g. written statements by the philosopher
Chaeremon, chief librarian of the Alexandria Library's Serapis-section approx.
45 AD prove that there also were more than Manetho describing Moses.
However, some researchers
argue that "one can hardly rely on Manetho". But how can we rely on our
theological researchers with firm statements that "Moses was invented by Jewish
priests in the 300-century BC" in Israel or even Babylon, when simultaneously
Manetho in Alexandria can refer from much older Egyptian records in precise
detail about Moses?
From archaeology:
Although many academic schools claim persistently that Moses and the exodus from
Egypt is a myth - it is a claim in open conflict with important ancient
writings. 3. The
Tell el-Amarna letters of the archives (found in 1887) of the pharaohs Amenhotep
III and Akhenaton state that the city princes and governors in Canaan - at that
time dominated by Egypt - for a period of some 20 years asked Egypt for help
against the intruding Apiru people, i.e. the Hebrews: the number of years
is in accordance with the biblical description stating that the invasion took
place over a period of 21 years.
When also attempts are
made to reject the corresponding probable time of the Hebrew-Israelite invasion,
it can now be proved that such attempts were made on an extremely inadequate
basis: 4.
This is also the case regarding the archaeological excavations of Jericho which
revealed the collapse of the city walls (with evident traces of an earthquake),
dating ca. 1415 BC - all exactly as in the biblical narrative, which also
mentions the house of Rahab on top of the wall, and a burning down of the city,
and the prior looting of all metal objects (the Book of Joshua, 6:19 og 6:24).
The archaeologists really did find houses upon the wall and remains of actual
fires arranged to burn down the city, together with the fact that precisely this
city only (specific layer, also with finds of seals with names of contemporary
Pharaoh Amenhotep III) - among all the many ancient Jericho-es built on top of
each other - was totally robbed of all kinds of metal. 5. In the
mentioned pharaonic archives of letters at Tell el-Amarna extensive written
correspondence with the Hittites was found, and at the excavation in 1905 of the
Hittites' capital in present-day Turkey a similar and simultaneous exchange of
letters with Egypt was found. At both sites the dating is scientifically
established and matches precisely - and the exact same dating applies to the
Egyptian archive letters from the Canaanitic rulers after the Jericho conquest
asking for help because of the Israelite raid and siege of Jerusalem. Thus, for
more than 100 years with these concrete, written data from three geographically
independent sites, researchers have had the opportunity of realizing that the
Israelite exodus ended at the Jericho conquest during the reign of a particular pharaoh, ca. 1400 BC. How can the researchers still maintain, although factually
unfounded, that the exodus must have taken place even several centuries later,
and because Jericho at this late stage was an empty ruined city, consequently,
there was no conquest at the place so the whole exodus had to be a myth? 6.
Furthermore, the theological researchers have not chosen to draw conclusions
from the fact that the Israeli archaeologist Gabriel Barkay in 1979 in a tomb at
Jerusalem found a genuine text from the Bible's Book of Numbers written on
silver scrolls, which are now in the Israel Museum. Later, several verses of the
Pentateuch have been interpreted. The scrolls date back to the 6th century BC -
i.e. long before the Jews' Babylonian exile and the claimed late creation of the
Bible.
From the writers of
antiquity: Although many general inscriptions in stone exist, the
perishableness of old papyrus writing material is a problem - only few
manuscripts or parts of texts on papyrus prior to ca. 1300 BC are preserved; -
however: 7. As,
2,300 years ago, King Ptolemy II ordered all ancient books and documents from
the libraries of the temples all over Egypt to be collected in his new great
library in Alexandria - it is also a fact that in 280 BC original Egyptian
documentation on Moses still existed - archives which less than three
centuries later were at the disposal of the Jewish-Greek-Egyptian philosopher in
Alexandria, Philo (20BC-50AD) who wrote a biography of Moses. 8. The
Jewish-Roman historian Josephus (ca. 35-100 AD) almost simultaneously 2,000
years ago, had invaluable sources on the history of the Jews, also because the
conqueror of Jerusalem, Titus Caesar (Vespasian), gave Josephus scrolls
confiscated from the Jerusalem Temple on its destruction in 70 AD. Josephus
had no problem acknowledging the authenticity of Manetho's texts but
disagreed very much with Manetho's Egyptian view on Moses as a destructive rebel
- to Josephus he was a great hero. 9. In
the Bible, Moses is mentioned with such terms as 'the Son of Pharaoh's
Daughter'. This, which is actually his Egyptian royal title, corresponds with
the fact that Manetho called him both Moses and Osarsyph - i.e. User-sif
in
late-Egyptian language meaning 'child of Osiris', i.e. Horus, who was always
identified with the crown prince of Egypt.
The Ptolemaic kings
allowed Jews to settle down in Egypt - and for about 300 years in the Egyptian
city of Leontopolis they had their own temple, after the Jerusalem model, and
their own high priest. In Alexandria they mostly occupied a quarter of the great
city, namely the area called Delta. Altogether there was a huge group of new
inhabitants (and in addition many Samaritan emigrants) who could support the
Egyptian King Ptolemy II's sponsoring of a translation of the Hebrew Bible into
the Greek international language - the Septuaginta Bible. 10.
Again, it was around 280 BC that this task was carried out in Alexandria and in
this metropolis' famous, extensive library Manetho may by chance even have
worked almost side by side with some of the 72 translating Jewish rabbis and
scholars. So, how can it possibly be claimed that the Bible is a late creation -
and how could the actually existing Septuaginta (Greek) Bible then have been
translated from a Hebrew Bible which according to the theorists' claim hardly
could have existed at this time?
From other sources,
also Romans, and the Church Fathers - and from India: It must now be
taken into account that surprisingly many concrete statements of antiquity still
exist concerning Moses' existence, royal status, and presence in Egypt.
Knowledge of Moses as
heir to the throne, who was to become pharaoh, as well as his later so dramatic
fate, was wide-spread not only among ancient writers, but at the same time as
far away as India, where an important statement about Moses' situation in Egypt
has survived. 11.
From old Buddhist chronicles it appears that "Moses was an Egyptian prince,
who was brought to fight for power against his brother, who wanted to become a
pharaoh himself - which is why the whole situation with Moses as leader of
the Jews (the Israelites) during their departure from Egypt only took place
because Moses lost the fight to become pharaoh".
- A version of this
account - in which manuscripts also included important later statements about
hitherto unknown episodes from the long travels of Jesus - was found in the
archives of a Buddhist monastery in Kashmir by Nicolas Notowitch, a Russian
explorer. He had the text translated and published in French and English, i.e.
"La vie inconnue de Jésus Christ" (Oldenburg and New York 1894); in the
monastery it was rediscovered by the Austrian painter and travelling writer,
Roerich, in 1925. 12. In ca. 320 BC, Hekataios of Abdera, Greek historian in Alexandria, gave a
similar account - even 40 years prior to the existence of the great
Library - about how the Egyptian king had outmanoeuvred his brother who was the
rightful heir to the throne but who later had to escape together with crowds of
followers, among these many of high rank. After setting off from the site later
known as Pelusium (today's Port Said), some of these groups reached Phoenicia,
Crete, and the Athens area. Moses' fate was concretely known in Egypt's history,
- thus long before any Jewish settlement in this new foreign city. 13.
Diodorus Siculus, the Roman historian (ca. 90-30 BC) also gives such an account
- and adds about the distinguished Egyptians escaping by sea that they "all
came from Thebes and belonged to a group that escaped from Egypt at the same
time as Moses". 14.
That the royal Egyptian descent of Moses was the main reason for his exile is
apparently in accordance with the records collected by the ecclesiastical
historian Eusebius of Caesarea. In approx. 290 AD, he states in his work
"Evangelica Praeparatio" (9:27) that it was "... a major intrigue at the
court ..." with "... attempt to kill Moses ..." as well as false
accusations that led to his flight.
Further facts:
It is an inevitable fact that none of the learned men in antiquity, not even
those who were opponents of the Bible or the Jews, has ever denied the existence
of Moses. The denial proclaimed among today's researchers would have been
considered arrogant.
Eventually, many present
academic schools and students understood their claim (concerning
"Moses-being-a-myth") as almost being the absolute truth. Although some of the
claims when observed individually may not be unreasonable thinking, it
was never realized that the whole idea is still nothing more than a purely
hypothetical one and has never been concretely proven!
That the most important
person of the Old Testament, and at the same time one of the oldest and most
crucial features connected to Jewish self-understanding, was to be regarded as
an entirely fictive figure would inevitably transform the origin of the very
Mosaic religion and the whole Jewish ancient tradition into an amazing mystery.
15.
When researchers claim that no Egyptian sources about Moses and the Israelite
exodus exist, we have to ask why, for example, the Egyptian-Greek historian Manetho's information from Egyptian archives as well as the Rabbinical Writings
- all in mutual agreement with the archaeological results - are all ignored?
Because of the huge extensiveness of discoveries and information in historical
research, the time has finished long ago when it was automatically repeated as a
cliché that Manetho was a somewhat disputable source. 16. It
is overlooked that these researchers' allegations are contradicted by the
Bible's own information, for example that King Hezekiah had the biblical texts
copied and edited ("Proverbs", 25:1). Hezekiah is not an "invention" but is
known concretely from his inscription in his established tunnel beneath Jerusalem, ca. 700
BC, and from the Babylonian King Sennacherib's inscription (on "Sennacherib's
prism"), and besides, the dating fits exactly with astronomical information in
the biblical text about him. In any case it is shown that the Moses-texts
already have an established traditional existence prior to 700 BC. 17. In
the biblical text known as the Law of Moses, later additions are seen to have
arrived from other Near Oriental traditions with brutal, primitive punishment
methods and some over-dimensional animal sacrifices. Again, this has been taken
as evidence that Moses and his own basic text have not existed. But later
biblical prophets, for example "Jeremiah" (23:36) approx. 600 BC and later
"Hosea" (6:6) points to and regret such a distortion of the original text. Later
the Bible openly speaks about how
the priest Ezra (about 3rd century BC) edited
in the biblical text - which thus must have existed beforehand. 18. A Greek-Jewish historian, Eupolemus - who, around 160 BC, was the ambassador in
Rome for his Maccabean government of those times' Israel/Palestine - stated in his work, "About the
Judean Kings": "... Moses, the first sage ...". The work is cited by several of
the authors of antiquity. If Moses really had been a myth invented and described
by priests only a few generations before Eupolemus' own time, this erudite man
of priestly family would have known about it and could not then in his
historical account have written about Moses. 19.
According to the Bible, Moses grew up "like a son" of Pharaoh's Daughter, Hebrew
baht par'o. A recognized fact in Egyptology is that the name 'Pharaoh's Daughter
"(Egyptian: sat nisut) was a title only given to crown princesses and queens.
Rabbinical Writings "Talmud" ("Meguilla"13a) and "Midrash" refer Pharaoh's
Daughter usually Bithja, 'God's daughter,' a title only for Egyptian crown
princesses and queens, and which they were mandatory. 20.
South of the East-Jordan land, at the border of Arabia, a river is found in the
mount¬ainous desert next to the hidden city of Petra (Kadesh Barnea where Moses
and the Israelites seem to have had a protected residence for a long time). From
ancient times the river has the name Wadi Musa, the 'Moses' River. In the more
northern part of the East-Jordan land the famous mountain where Moses died is
located, according to the Bible. The mountain was named after him, Mount Nebo,
i.e. the 'prophet' mountain. All references back in history have only this name,
and the concept of 'prophet' was not known before Moses, the role model.
Researchers who prefer making Moses to a myth from 300's BC cannot explain why
the Jews' neighbours in the east, who often were their enemies, would 1,000
years earlier have invented these two place designations and given them the
names after the greatest hero in a so-called myth of the Jews?
Much more evidence
material than all these examples exists - thus overwhelming confirmation both as
concrete Egyptian and Jewish sources concerning Moses' historical existence.
When research is has difficulty with details of the Moses case, a solution
should therefore certainly not be to claim that he is a myth.
Previously, for instance
in Northern Europe often up until about 1985, many Egyptologists were also
educated in Greek and ancient Semitic languages (commonly mastering several
other languages and thus benefiting from books on Egyptology both in English,
French, and German) - but today such basic learning is more rare, unfortunately,
although an important part of our information about ancient Egypt has been
preserved in Greek. Likewise, among anthropologists in recent times their
knowledge has often become more specialized at the expense of their former
advantage of being able to combine many circumstances and topics from various
disciplines.
Our exciting history is
also, not least, a most important field of research - but it happens in certain
academic branches of research that they cut themselves off from information
which could have changed and improved their picture hitherto; however, now such
practice ought to belong to the past. History is of more use and relevance as
the more accessibility is established regarding enlightening data - also from
the many other connected fields.
Ove von Spaeth, writer, researcher, - A brief survey
concerning archaeological and textual source traces on Moses - with
texts and data from this
author's book-series, "Assassinating
Moses", - documentation publicized via Zenith IC Project - (Nov.2007)
Egypt, ancient Jewish writings - and Knights Templar
After reading your text
on the
alchemy of Moses and from Jung, etc. I want to add that my own theory is that
the alchemists may have had different outlooks and concerns - they were seekers
in
science, philosophical interpretors, and/or religious (often Christians), and
might more rarely be 'mystic' in the sense that they perceived alchemy as being reflecting major
internal transformations on the way to gnosis. There is hardly a consensus here,
representing a unique view of the number and nature of these internal
transformations.
Your strong
points seem to be especially your great knowledge on ancient Egypt and the
many Jewish writings. There are undoubtedly many cosmological and
religious principles in (parts of) the Egyptian metallurgy, etc. And you
often use broader and more comparative methods than normally seen in the
research.
The project
description presenting
the structure
and goals of your large project I find extremely successful, - elements
and arguments refreshingly clearly presented, in fact the points are very
concretely defined. As regards stylistic and structural implementing it is
absolutely among some of the very best textual works you've put forward. On
the whole well written, a great appetizer so I got the urge to read more of
your things.
Indeed, I have been
reading a fine share of what you have written. Another one of your texts, on
The Knights Templar's Knowledge from Egypt, has simply fascinated me,
i.e. what you write about and the way you do it. One day I used more than
five hours to read many of your texts, article by article - so exciting, it
is tempting all the time going on to read also the next line.
L. Steen Larsen, Ph.D. in History of Religions,
Associate Professor at the University of Lund,
Sweden, - Department of History and Anthropology of Religions,
http://www.lu.se/lund-university - (30.Nov.2008)
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Reader's mail - 23 March 2009 -
info :
To read the five books - at a stretch - was a
wonderful experience
Due to my longstanding interest, not least, in the ancient Egyptian religious
cults and my more than 50 trips to Egypt, as well as my studies in theosophy it
was natural that I eventually became Freemason. Your books about the initiated
Moses and his background in ancient Egypt have from the beginning impressed me. In nearly all libraries of the Freemason Lodges in Denmark your book-series
"Assassinating Moses" with the 5 books
about Moses can be found - I want to share
this information.
Moreover, I am allowed to
refer a statement to me from chief-librarian Arne Casper Mortensen, leader of
the library in Denmark's largest Freemason Lodge (Copenhagen): "... I am a great
admirer of Ove von Spaeth's distinguished historical work and his method of
working - searching sources often far apart from each other, finding the
coherence, and then combining them. To read the five books - at a stretch ! -
was a wonderful experience - having always been fascinated by history on the
border between myths and known facts. - And in addition I have read the fantastic Volume
4, "The Secret Religion", even many times. ...".
All over the world interesting picture-series are currently presented in videos and
powerpoint files on the Internet, but later many of them disappear again in
oblivion.
In order to hold some of
the best of these series and keep them readily available, Ove von Spaeth has
stored on
Zenith-files an exquisite collection of pps.files (power point) and videos
with pictures and topics of high quality.
Click:http://www.moses-egypt.net/zenith-files_en/greatplaces_en.asp
- and also insert the link among your favourites/bookmarks.
Also, by e-mail forward
the link to your friends instead of mailing heavy powerpoint files - now you
have direct access at once to more than 30 of such pps files.
Great places and
exquisite sites - captivating and far-reaching cultural history: have some
fine tours and explorations.
All the best,
Ove von Spaeth, writer, -
History and Knowledge: Rediscovery, Insight, Renewal -
www.moses-egypt.net -
(11.Mar.2009)
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Weekend-avisen
newspaper - 22 April 2009 - Reader's letter:
New-orientating research
To the editor of Weekend-avisen, weekly. It was an interesting review of the book by Princeton Professor in geology Barbara J.
Sivertsen about Moses and the Israelite exodus, "The Parting
of the Sea. How Volcanoes, Earthquakes, and Plagues Shaped the Story of Exodus",
(Princeton U.P., 2009) - in Weekend-avisen newspaper, 17th April.
However, when new theories in history
research appear it is often overlooked that a single main factor, as in this
case the new geological
knowledge, may be a too insufficientical approach. Actually, so much more about
history, culture, religion, geography, climate, anthropology etc. has to be
included knowledge.
For example, history does
not have to be re-dated few centuries in order to make dust fall from an early
volcanic eruption to create famine at "the ten plagues of Egypt". Famine was a
frequently recurring phenomenon. And if the sun disappeared in the darkness of
dust in the air - it happens often every year in February in northern Egypt.
Also, there is no need to
provide the Israelites with kosher-food habits on order to avoid
some effects of these plagues, because kosher rules was not established until after the exodus
from Egypt - being established
by Moses as part of his new religion.
Why create theories about
first-born Egyptian hildren dieing at the exodus, when the Bible do not
mention children here at all? According to all ancient tradition the heads of
the families were first-born persons. These
leader figures were hit to make Egypt paralysed.
I want to draw attention
to the fact that such information can be found to an incredibly great extent
including archaeological and textual documentation in Danish researcher
Ove von
Spaeth's book-series, "Assassinating Moses". Many of the things are
very carefully
described at the books' website:
www.moses-egypt.net.
At many universities all
over the world young scientists are occupied with Ove von Spaeth's texts about
the historical Moses and Egypt, and the results from 25 years of his concentrated research.
It is now presented in five groundbreaking books and in addition a treatise on the exact
astronomical dating of the celestial pattern on the world's oldest star map,
which is Egyptian.
We ought to hear much more
about it. Inexcusable when this newspaper, Weekend-avisen, ignored all five
unique books. In order to the established knowledge should not wither away it has to be continually challenged. It's lucky that we have some disagreeing
researchers just as Barbara J. Sivertsen and Ove von Spaeth. New insights into
our common history background are vital to our cultural self-awareness.
Birgit Blom, 2950 Vedbaek - (22.Apr.2009)
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Facebook - 9 may 2009
- comment :
Moses was deliberately erased in history by Pharaoh
Moses doesn't have any evidence of his existence because he was deliberately
erased in history by the pharaoh (more than cruel than assassination). And also
there is archaological/geological proofs that there is a bridge that had existed
in the Red Sea (the Exodus crossing). and Mt. Sinai then is not really where Mt.
Sinai is now. And also the Great Flood in the time of Noah really happened.
But the Bible had given
it a moral lesson much like children's fairy tale. Even India has that same
story (in Gilgamesh). Watch Discovery and you will see that a Great Flood
happened in the Dead Sea (because what their point of view then is that the
world is limited by their place). Cf.:
http://www.answersingenesis.org/tj/v15/i1/moses.asp
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book1/moses1-cap1_en.asp
http://www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm
- I hope these are all enough
Thank you for "presenting
exquisite explorations"! Grateful for these picture series, particularly the link to the
Lisbon pages ...
The Mini Fan Club for Ove
von Spaeth, established in Moss, Norway, is going to set up a small meeting for
the members and together they will view the series all the way through.
Von Spaeth is our always
mentioned hero! The man who freed us from sick religious conceptions! Yes, it sounds
even dramatically, but that's how it really is!
sloon.net/ahketaten-and-Moses - recommends: Ove von Spaeth has written an
intriguing new-orientating work on the historical Moses' dramatic fate and
mystery, "Assassinating Moses" - see
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/debates-continuing-c_en.asp
- scroll down the page found, and find: "Genuine Egyptian source documentation
on Moses."
(Assassinating Moses Moses - book-series: Debates continuing, part c)
facebook.com - 22
January 2009 -
news and debates :
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The Necessary Project
Although we do not in general reflect on the experience that on a daily basis we
draw from a special kind of wealth, we all profit by the fact that our modern
society is firmly rooted in past high-level cultures. A special knowledge and
wisdom found in Greece, Rome, and later the Renaissance, however, originate from
the cultural source of Ancient Egypt.
Egypt was also the
domicile of Moses. His life was extremely dramatic; however, as the leading and
active figure, this person contributed to the development of many elements which
even today influence western culture - i.e. the modern world. Therefore, he is
an inevitable present figure.
Through his
interdisciplinary authorship Ove von Spaeth has opened up for an otherwise
neglected, often forgotten knowledge about our past historical basis. Also in
order to understand such foundation of our own culture, this research and the
consequent results are important. Without his necessary research on innumerable
sources and often ignored findings we, today, would frequently lose major
connections to information in the past -
cf.
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/moses_project_en.asp .
In case you haven't read
the Ove von Spaeth books you can check it out here: http://www.moses-egypt.net
Welcome
After reading Ove von Spaeth's work "Assassinating Moses", - one day I wanted to
join a debate at the
http://www.grahamhancock.com. At that place there was a heavy sea running -
and interesting information and opinions appeared; and I look foreward to that
it can happen here too - in the facebook's "Interest Group for The Ove von
Spaeth Papers".
By the way, anything will
be debated here and, believe me, when thesubject: the historical Moses (or
also Ove von Spaeth's analysis of the world's oldest star map) is debated, we
are going to cross through many paths - and there will be open to only what is
in a sober and good level.
Best regards, Martin
Displaying topics
- Entire universe from one simple little equation?
- The 5 Mysteries of the Universe
- Has Moses hidden for posterity valuable treasures with archives of Egyptian
knowledge ?
- more ...
Wiki article, aboutus.org on Whois, June 2007 -
reference:
Moses-Egypt.net
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Website Title: Moses
& New Research / Mysteriet om Moses Revurderet.
Meta Description:
New data concerning Moses as a historical person is based on Ove von Spaeth's
inter-scientifical research in history, Egyptology, theology, archaeology,
historical astronomy, ancient languages, religions, and cultic traditions. And
revealing Moses as being contemporary with Senmut, and especially making the
chronology more precise.
These books ought to be read by everybody before
they make a blunder …
Groups: dk.livssyn.kristendom,dk.videnskab.teologi. - Subject:
Qualified dating of the First Book of the Pentateuch?
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Hi, - A good alternative could be the book-series by Ove von Spaeth, "The
Suppressed Record; Assassinating Moses" -
A book-series which
deserves to draw
much more attention.
Moses appears to belong
to quite a bit older history than previously anticipated. The source material of
the books is elaborate and extensive, and worth a study of its own. Best
regards,
Right. Have also bought the two volumes I missed of this 5-volume-series. These
are goodies, but I missed volumes 2 and 4, so I did not start until now … :-)
- Should be read by
everybody *before* they make blunder... ;-) . Best regards,
Discussiongroup, TheologyWeb, 25 February 2007 -
debate:
Moses in the care of the Egyptians
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Re: The stevec Constantine's Conspiracy Crap thread - Page 88
In reply to this post by OfficialPro
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It also doesn't say that his diaper was changed. So are we to assume that
Moses went around with soiled nappies all that time?
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Maybe we are!! And it doesn't say what he had to eat for his first meal,
maybe he didn't eat?? - What did Moses do with his day when he was in the care
of the Egyptians??
The point you miss is
that some very simple and unnecessary things WERE recorded, while important
things were not. You also assume that the bible is something more than fiction,
yet cannot prove it isn't. - And you want me to prove it is. Where would you
like me to start??
The lack of ANY
historical evidence regarding large numbers of the biblical characters perhaps??
- It's a very cleverly written book as it uses some real people as characters
and some fictional. - I'm not actually sure if that process has ever repeated
itself since the writing of the bible. - The real characters give us the
historical evidence of existence and that makes it very hard to work out who the
fictional ones are.
_
::
I suppose you missed the part where his mother NURSED him after the Princess
picked him out of the river...and Hebrew kids were nursed for longer than
just a few months.
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And to what age did she nurse him??
_
::
Stories of a new-born child found in a boat floating down the River
Euphrates were already known from Babylon almost a millennium before Moses'
time, where a boy-child - later to become the king named Sargon (Sargon I) -
was found, brought to the king's palace and given a high education; (cf.
Appendix 1). According to his so-called 'autobiographical' record, this
child (Sargon) in the rush boat was the son of the king's daughter. No foreign child of low birth could have obtained such a significant education
followed by a royal career. Thus, it must have been a thoroughly planned
happening intended for a child of royal origins. Source: -
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book1/moses1-cap2_en.asp
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The more I look, the more I dig up. Looks like the story of Moses was just
another rehash of an earlier myth. Figures.
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::
Umm yes they have. Jesus is mentioned in Josephus. King Ahab is mentioned in
secular Syrian records. Mention is made of David in some recently discovered
artifacts associated with the Aramean conquest of Israel.
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You DID see the word MOST, didn't you??
One thing about the bible
that is unusual is it's usage of both real and fictional people. There are
enough real ones to make the fictional ones seem real. The kings and queens and
certain other characters play historical roles as leaders, while the lesser
characters usually appear to be the fictional ones. By lesser, I mean poorer,
more humble. It almost gives the impression of the kings of the time demanding
their scribes write a grand novel about them, capturing their magnificence while
ruling over some fictitious pauper.
Concerning conspiration against Moses, 17
March 2007 - opinions :
שאלות בכפירה זה מפחיד? חלק ב - Felix
שאלות בכפירה זה מפחיד? חלק ב - Flix
... ואת בנה מהשלטון ולכן רקחו מזימה (איש מצרי ואיש עברי) כדי לסלק אותו! (נראה
לכם שבן מלוכה באותם ימים יברח רק כי הרג מישהו???)
http://www.moses-egypt.net/ ...
(Are questions concerning
denial shocking? (Second part, Felix, 06/09/2006)
... and that her (the pharaoh-daughter's) son should rule - that's why they
conspired in order to remove him ... (Is it likely that a royal son - at that
time - would flee only because he had killed somebody??)
http://www.moses-egypt.net/ ...
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#11-10-2000, 11:48 PM - ___Richard-----> - Senior Member Join
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This is funny. I was stopping a movie on the VCR and the on screen display came
up with the date 11 11 00. I thought wow caught me by suprise Hadn't thought
about the date coming up. Looked over at the time and it was 1:11 coincidence ?
Amazing ! Well if it had been perfect I guess it would have all occured at
11:11. Of course the message subject below this is 11:11 1:11 so maybe not.
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#16 06-24-2005, 12:01 PM - ULLA RUNCHEL - Senior Member Join
Date: Mar 2005 - Posts: 1,538
Look at this Ghosty
picts.
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Dear friends, - Look at
this photo its a friend of mind from Denmark,
Ove von Spaeth
the famous writer of 5 books on Moses (for the time being only in
Danish), he send it : Ghostly Photo of Twin Towers. - Do you see the
projections/shadows of the twin towers in the background where once they stood?
- Love Ulla 21.11 o'clock
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#06-27-2005, 10:27 AM - Light7-
Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2000 -
Posts: 3
Wonderfull!
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Ulla - Thank you for sharing this amazing photo. I saw it and thought of the Isak
Dinesen book- Out Of Africa. Here is what she says:
"If I know a song of Africa, of the giraffe and the African new moon lying on
her back, of the plows in the fields and the sweaty faces of the coffee pickers,
does Africa know a song of me? Will the air over the plain quiver with a color
that I have had on, or the children invent a game in which my name is, or the
full moon throw a shadow over the gravel of the drive that was like me, or will
the eagles of the Ngong Hills look out for me?"
Certainly New York and the World knows a song of those who crossed over on
September 11. "Come my friend. We will make Light work of this!"
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#07-07-2005, 01:09 PM - ULLA RUNCHEL -
Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 -
Posts: 1,538
11:11 ----------------------------------
Hi Wendy, -
My best friend Gunna, she have birthday 11/22 and I have found my REAL mother,
here birthday is 11/1 111 ....... my other friend Ove von Spaeth lives
at two addresses at the same time, in both streets it is number 11
and the final digits of his phone number are 111, and his car has the licence
number with 11
-- and I SAW a car with 11111, and evryday
almost I look at my clock on the computer here in Spain, it is
11:11 ........ and i could tell more funny stories .........
but the schoolchildrens story, I just love it. There has to be more hidden codes in it.
Now its 22:11 on my computer ......Love Ulla
-
So Moshe, born according to von Spaeth in 1534, was the historical
Senenmut. It seems like that is where Spaeth is headed from what little of his
website I have read? There is at least one orthodox rabbi I am aware of who
would agree about the identities (not the dates) and who has published his ideas
on this.
-
ML: It could be where he's headed. I haven't read
v.S.'s book but the
first three chapters are available at that website. He's already made it plain,
from what I can tell, that he thinks Hatshepsut must have been "pharaoh's
daughter". Of course, Hatshepsut is the most famous gal of the dynasty, next to
Nefertiti, but there were a lot of other "pharaoh's daughters" included in that
dynasty, not quite so prominent.
Funny thing, though,
among the family of Thutmose I, including sons Thutmose, Amenmose and Wadjmose,
there was a certain mysterious "Ramose"--at least according to J. Tyldesly. But
I don't know anything about him. Also rather oddly, in that famous tomb scene
called "Lords of the West", depicting defunct kings, queens and princes, there
is a certain prince whose name "seems" to be Ramose and he sits there rather
prettily holding a flower to his nose. What Ramose that could be nobody knows or
why he was so famous as to be included in that scene.
Senenmut? I don't know
how Hatshepsut could have adopted him as a child as all signs seem to point to
the notion that he was older than she--depicted as aged and wrinkled on some
informal portraits from around Year 7. I don't have the actual URL right now,
but anyone who wants to go to my homepage:
http://www.geocities.com/scribelist/marianne.html
can read about Senenmut and see portraits of him there.
Anyway, I thought I knew
a lot of tidbits from rabbinical lterature, midrashim, but that one item from
Rabbi Abrabanel had escaped me about what was going on in the realm of Pisces
around the time Moses was born.
-
Oh--and BTW, in my own work, "The Exodus Chronicles: Beliefs, Legends & Rumors
from Antiquity Regarding the Exodus of the Jews from Egypt" [2003] I also
proposed Senenmut as a candidate for "Moses"--but that was before I'd ever heard
of von Spaeth or became rather convinced that a certain mummy from
the Deir el Bahari royal cache "Unknown Man C" might be Senenmut [originally
proposed by someone else, not me]. The mummy is Senenmut, then no Moses.
Senenmut, in that case, died right where he was born--which was at Armant, near
Thebes.
For more oddity, Arthur
Weigall, famed antiquities guy in Egypt in the early part of the 20th Century,
claimed the tradition in the Armant of his time was that Moses *had* been born
there. However, ancient historians vow that he was a "prince of Heliopolis" or a
priest there [ancient "iwnw", the "On" of the Bible]. Heliopolis is a very long
ride from Thebes.
Another ancient writer
maintained the original name of Moses should have been "Yoachim" or "God has
raised". This he may have obtained from another author of antiquity who claimed
the original name of Moses was "Tisithen", an obscure Egyptian moniker, the
first element of which can only be "Tsi", meaning "raise". Well...you
know...strange things happen with all this.
If Senenmut was a
Hebrew--what is his name translated into that language? "Achim" of
course! sn n[y] mwt means "brother of Mut" [the goddess] but the
name Mut merely means "mother". It's the word for mother and there
is no other in the Egyptian language. Just to illustrate how the actual
pronunciation of Egyptian differed from how it was written and how we
transliterate it, the way Senenmut's name should have been spoken was something
like "Sonnymao".
-
You know, this is pretty wild. That date for the birth of Moses works out every
time. The Torah says that Moses didn't return to Egypt until he was 80 "because
all who had sought his life were dead". 80 years from 1534 comes to 1454, around
the time that Amenhotep II received the kingship after T III died. With 1570 as
his starting point for the dynasty, P. Clayton gets 1453 as the assession date
for A II. That's just a year off--or maybe not even that, depending upon when A
II was actually crowned, the civil date vis a vis the New Year, whatever.
Then the Torah says the
Hebrews left--430 years after the first ones had come to live in Egypt. That
brings us back to 1884 BCE, the time of Amenemhat II and Senusret II. Clayton
says of this era, "There is also an apparent increase at this time in the number
of Levantine names recorded in Egypt, presumably belonging to those brought in
as domestic servants."
Amenhotep II is generally
regarded, in retrospect, as a very cruel man, worse than his father. He didn't
even have the intellectual leanings of T III to redeem him. But, did he drown in
the sea as soon as he became king? Of course not. He was only about 18 when he
succeeded and reigned for many years. However, there is something else. One of
the last acts, apparently, of the vizier Rekhmire, was the installation of A II
on the throne. Rekhmire's family had served the royals for three generations,
ever since the grand-father, Amethu [also called "Ahmose", after the
"liberator" pharaoh] and his wife, TaAmethu, had risen to importance. The
names of these people means "foreigner".
Anyway, the man who
changed his name to Ahmose was a "governor of the town and vizier" under
Thutmose III and he had a tomb in the Theban necropolis, TT83--as did Rekhmire.
All of the sons of this Ahmose became very important men but, after Rekhmire,
the family served no more and there is no sign that Rekhmire was ever buried in
his own tomb, TT100.
Rekhmire was, apparently,
the final vizier of Thutmose III and one of the most moving texts from ancient
Egypt is in that tomb, evidently the words of TIII to Rekhmire, telling him how
important his role as vizier was to the people. But, after Rekhmire, no more
viziers from that family, even though Rekhmire had plenty of sons. Just a
coincidence? Who knows? But, in AE, eldest sons succeeded their fathers in their
offices whenever possible.
discussiongroups, grahamhancock.com/phorum,
September 2008 - debate:
The burning bush - and literate Moses
http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum/ is intended for serious discussion
of the controversies, approaches and enigmas surrounding the origins and
development of the human species and of human civilization. It is a
discussion board for the most eclectic and (so far as possible) unlimited
range of dissenting history.
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Re: More - your white thorn burning bush - Author:
martinpescatore (87.55.32.---) - Date: 04-Sep-08 13:42
It is also mentioned in Ove von Spaeth's book about the historical Moses,
volume 4: "The Secret Religion", but I'm not sure, but he refers to another
plant, it grows in a bush, I have the Danish name (Ove von Spaeth writes that
this southern kind of a misteltoe growing in a thorn bush is mentioned by Pliny
the Elder in his work "Naturalis Historia") but the Flora Danica index don't
mention it in the way he does and I'm not easily allowed to go to the Royal
Danish Archives because I'm not a student or working in a Uni, I'll try find it
or ask him if he have the latin name.
But if you read the bible then it actually is not burning. - Was it an Egyptian
initiation ritual? It seems that there was more people than Elo and Moses, it is
a bit confusing - perhaps Ezra didn't got the hole story :)
martinpescatore,
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http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=250479&t=249285 -
(4.Sep.2008)
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Re: Hi O - Author: martinpescatore (87.55.32.---) - Date:
08-Sep-08 02:03
legionromanes wrote: if I were you i'd worry about what language
the tablets were written in as Hebrew didn't exist as a language at that
point:
http://www.livescience.com/history/ap_051109_alphabet.html Quote: Two
lines of an alphabet have been found inscribed in a stone in Israel,
offering what some scholars say is the most solid evidence yet that the
ancient Israelites were literate as early as the 10th century B.C.
- they'd have
needed to be literate by the 15 century bc for the bible to hold any
validity. Still I'm sure those with faith are > already making up reasons
why it could still be valid, I'm sure the usual "God did it answer" will
cover it.
Re: Hi O - Author: martinpescatore (87.55.32.---) - Date:
10-Sep-08 09:03
Eddie Larry wrote: If the so-called exodus events occured in the
period from 1500 to 1000 BCE, then the tablets could have been written in
either egyptian hieroglyphics or in mesopotamean cuneiform. If the texts say
"tablets," than perhaps it was cuneiform! - Another point, the Sinai was
controlled by Egypt throughout the presumed biblical period so one would
assume that Egyptian renegades would still be writing in Egyptian. But again
we don't have the tablets!
- Now archaeology discloses one Egyptian dynast that had the ability to
produce both hieroglyphic and/or cuneifom writings. The dynast was Pharoah
Ahkenaten. The evidence, discovered in > his city Ahketaten, is the tablets
known today as the Amarna letters.
Hi Eddie, - Still, look at the Sinai alphabet. - Ancient writers, and 3 holy
books with 3 different religions, the Rabbi script, mention only one, who have
invented the script.
When somebody says: Not
many sources besides the Bible can tell anything about Moses. The fact that they
have a book in their hand, the entire purpose of which is a methodical
explanation of a possible relation between the many references to Moses from
sources outside the canon of the Old Testament (for instance Talmud and Midrash
as well as Philo, Manetho, and Josephus), is apparently irrelevant to them, as
is their negligence to consider the relation between these sources and the Old
Testament:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book1/moses1-cap1_en.asp
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book1/moses1-cap2_en.asp
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book1/moses1-cap3_en.asp martinpescatore,
-
http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=250983&t=249285 -
(10.Sep.2008)
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seaking wrote: - on what martinpescatore wrote: No if it was in
Egyptian it will have depicted god - so that it doesn't make sence. The
exodus people didn't have a script. Therefore the Sinai alphabet would have
been more likely. According to Wikipedia, the Egyptians at the time of Moses
depicted God as the Sun Ra:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ra-Sun_god_(hieroglyph).
- The
Exodus people may not have had a script, However, Moses was raised in the
realms of Egyptian Royalty and therefore would have been literate in
Hieroglyphic writing. Moses ability to reveal God's word would be seen as
godlike to his illiterate Hebrew followers.
legionromanes wrote: Hi John :) Quote: 1) I would assume that
every ancient culture - Celt, Greek, Roman etc, had an equivalent "Angel of
Death". - 2) If in fact "every" first born son had been mysteriously
killed, then I don't think the Egyptians would be all that keen for the
royal scribes to make record of it. (Even today our governments continue to
maintain official secret archives.)
1. assumption is
not a scholarly practice, - 2. that's odd, they made records of every other
calamitous event that effected them, droughts, floods, famine, pestilence.
Quote:
According to my research, Ur existed from at least 3000 B.C. thats true, but
the Chaldean empire didn't exist until 1000 bce, clearly in the bible it
describes Abraham as coming from Ur of the Chaldeas, so there must have been
an edited history being written long after the event by people being not
that much familiar with the local time-line as if these were real stories
handed down then they would have been, but they weren't ergo it is fiction.
Don't take the bible as a historical source ;) I suggest there was Chaldeans
long before they conquered Ur, well and they are semiitic:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melchizedek#Shem_and_Melchizedek
Re: Literate Moses? - Author: martinpescatore (87.55.32.---)
- Date: 14-Sep-08 10:47
Hi Michael, - If of any interest here are some interesting stuff - unfortunately
it's still
just a tiny bit of Ove von Spaeth's 5 books in Danish. But the author's
knowledge of mythology and astronomy is quite well-known in the academic
faculty. He has a lot of interesting discoveries:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/zenith-files_en/zenith-netbase_en.asp
- Best, Martin martinpescatore,
-
http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=251330&t=249285
- (14.Sep.2008).
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- - -
Ancient_Egypt Group, tech.groups yahoo,
Ancient Egypt, 17 March 2007 - statement:
Star-map message revealing rare gathering of planets
This group is about ancient
Egypt, old cultures, ancient beliefs and sunken cities. How do cultures
emerge and how do they vanish again ? What happened at the dawn of history,
when myths became reality and vice versa ? ...
This is not a "kemetic"
group. If you believe you are a high priest of an ancient Egyptian god or if
you receive secret messages from Osiris or Isis this is probably not the
right group for you. It is just a group for
people who are interested in ancient Egypt, who want to know what
really happened 4000 years ago. ... Most Recent Messages
(Group by Topic) :
Messages. - Senenmut's star map.
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The astronomical knowledge of the ancient Egyptians turns out to be
surprisingly broader than previously imagined. According to a new analysis, the
world's oldest star-map seems to contain information of an actual celestial
event of its time. This recent discovery uncovers the earliest exact scientific
description of an otherwise rare but not unknown celestial phenomenon.
This 3,500-year old
star-map, which decorates one of the ceilings in the tomb of the great Senmut
(Senenmut) near Luxor (Thebes), apparently demonstrates a previously unknown
aspect of the astronomical situation in Egypt around 1,500 BC. This revelation
is the result of investigations by Danish researcher Ove von Spaeth, and is
published in July-August 2000 in vol. 42 of the international journal of the
history of science, "Centaurus".
The map's configurations,
which previously have been considered mostly as mythological displays, are now
disclosed to be an accurate depiction of a rare gathering of planets in
well-defined celestial positions. The information contained in the map refers to
a specific point of time.
The re-evaluation of this
and subsequent maps gives birth to new perspectives: by introducing these new
reference points of time, the appropriate chronology of the epoch in question,
which has been much disputed, may now be dated with considerably greater
precision than heretofore possible. See:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut1-mapdate_en.asp
The precession half the way around is 12,960 years
www.ciamarra.com/cctop.html
: - Egyptians told Greeks about earth getting rocked at repeated
predictable long intervals. Atlantis last hit was around 9500 BC and science
confirms earth rocked then. 1 illusion precession backward orbit cycle round our
visible zodiacs in Milky Way takes 25,920 years.
Our solar system is
affect by a binary orbit - 2 suns. 2 points on ecliptic are closest every 1/2
precession cycle which currently is 12,960 years is the base cycle of the biggest
diasters occur here (this phd confirms it here) in our orbit in this precession
cycle, depending where the poles are on nutation and ellipse eccentricity a
cycle called Milankovich which is above precession.
From Egypt's star map to ufo-architecture,
ufo-mail no. 82, 6 March 2007 - info:
Ancient Star Science - and Present UFO inspiration
The characteristic UFO shape has always been inspiring, says Ove von Spaeth,
Researcher and Writer, for some time from Rio de Janeiro, Brazil, to UFO-mail (no.
82, 6th March 2007):
A "space ship" has landed on a small cape on the waterfront close to Rio de
Janeiro.
Inside there are 3 floors
with large exhibition rooms - because this is actually an art museum, unusually
built in shape of a "space ship" and created by Oscar Niemeyer, the world-famous
Brazilian architect.
Oscar Niemeyer, the now
100-year-old Architect, has flown his own "space ship".
This can be seen evidently in Marc Henri Wajnberg's prized film, the "Oscar
Niemeyer - an architect engaged in his century". - In an exciting sequence
of the film the "space ship" is flown over Rio de Janeiro in order to eventually land at
its permanent place, and Oscar Niemeyer who leaves the ship ... can be seen at
the following address,
http://youtube.com/watch?v=IEi1I-Dw7Zo&mode=user&search
The large picture of the
article shows a true architectonic gem, i.e. Oscar Niemeyer's museum in the
outskirts Rio de Janeiro - photographed by Ove von Spaeth.
The two motives of this
article's pictures with Ove von Spaeth, Researcher and Writer, show a difference
in time of 4,500 years between the two timeless, impressive constructions - the
great Egyptian Pyramid founded as based on star lines of sight and Oscar
Niemeyer's UFO inspired, "suspended" art museum in Rio de Janeiro.
Dating of the Oldest Star Map
In a mail from Rio de Janeiro, Ove von Spaeth drew the attention of the UFO-mail
editorial board to the shootings with Oscar Niemeyer. Originally, Ove von Spaeth
started - like Niemeyer - as a typographer and wanted likewise to become an
architect, but ended up as a designer in another area, i.e. in graphics. (He was
directly participating when Oscar Niemeyer had his anticipated 100-year anniversary
celebrated in the
beautiful old mansion of Academia Brasileira de Letras, 8th March 2007 in Rio de Janeiro,
http://www.academia.org.br &
www.academia.org.br/abl/cgi/cgilua.exe/sys/start.htm?infoid=5270&sid=557).
Along with his daily
work, Ove von Spaeth made his own detailed studies of ancient architecture,
history, and astronomy. He was fascinated by the advanced, ancient celestial
science, e.g. the archaeological finding from Antikythera a Greek bronze
cogwheel calculating machine with gear shifts able to calculate moon eclipses,
planet orbits - and elliptic moon orbits!
(e.g.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6191462.stm ).
Ove von Spaeth's
researching resulted in many historical articles and in the world's only
book-series about the historical Moses in Egypt.
The writer's
internationally published scientific treatise with the first exact dating of the
oldest known star map - from the time of Moses in Egypt - was mentioned to
various connections in UFO-Nyt no. 4, 2000, and
UFO-Nyt No.1, 2001, and in
UFO-mail No. 6, 2002.
The entire, exciting
treatise can be seen and be downloaded from this address,
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut3-treatise_en.asp
The scientific treatise
about deciphering of the exciting, Egyptian star map has also been published in
a Danish version as an appendix to the Moses book-series, volume 2.
All the five volumes of
the series by Ove von Spaeth about Moses and the secrets of ancient Egypt could
also be bought at the annual book sale at a price of DKK 125,- per volume. At
present this price is unchanged. - Each volume can be read
individually, and comments and debates on the books can be seen at the following
address,
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/moses-survey_en.asp
Discusssiongroup, freeforum101.com, 18 June
2006 - inspiration
Tycho Brahe - jonka kellarissa alkemistisia kokeita
teki
http://www.freeforum101.com -
Finland. - Kuutamo Foorumin päävalikko. - Usko - Tiede - Taide, - Sisäisen kasvun ja
kehityksen foorumi. - Viestin aihe: 1600-luku, Muskettisoturit ja Uraniborg
freeforum101.com -
Finland. - Faith - Science - Art, - Forum for Inner Growth and Development.
- Subject: 15th Century, the Musketeers and Uraniborg
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Tänään aloin miettiä Tycho Brahen hahmoa, ja hänen Uraniborgin linnaansa,
jonka kellarissa alkemistisia kokeita teki. Topeliushan oli ihan hulluna
kaikenlaiseen tällaiseen okkulttiseen, jota yllättävää kyllä on Suomen ja
Ruotsi-Suomen historiassa vääränään. - Q'uuhan tässä kyseli länsimaisesta
traditiosta?? ...
:: (the Finnish
text translates:) Recently I began
to think of the personality of Tycho Brahe and his Uraniborg Castle, and in his
cellar vault where he carryied out his alchemical experiments. Topelius (a
historian from 15th century) was very much occupied by that kind of occult
subjects, - which is described wrongly in Finnish and Swedish-Finnish history. -
One ought to ask about the Western World traditions? ...
"Tycho Brahe", Kirjoittaja & Vieras, author
and guest, -
Finland, - Kuutamo Foorumin päävalikko - Lähetetty: Sun Kes (sendt: Sunday,
June) 18,
2006, 3:53 pm. -
http://www.freeforum101.com/forum/viewtopic.php
?t=183&sid=3dbc8d4d0a1434133ea10484e9f8d009&mforum=kuutamo
- (18.Jun.2006)
¤
Stjernerne Journal, May 5 - references:
A Breakthrough for Urania
Editorial: A Breakthrough for Urania. - (p. 3) The article on Tycho Brahe
in this issue of Stjernerne (p. 17) deals with a poem published recently in
Urania Titani (by Ph.D. Peter Zeeberg). This book is extremely important --
for two reasons: 1) The poem by Tycho Brahe has never been translated
before, and 2) It is the first time that an astrological researcher has been
involved in a scientific research project like this. With this piece of
pioneer work, astrology has gained an entirely new field of activity.
Science may need us after all.
Reviewing the book on: Tycho Brahe as a Poet. - (p. 17) The famous
astronomer and astrologer Tycho Brahe was also a poet! An now, one of these
poems (a whole epic, in Latin) is translated into Danish and published in a
book -- Urania Titani -- by Ph.D. Peter Zeeberg. In order to decipher
certain passages of the poem, Mr. Zeeberg had to ally himself with a Danish
astrological researcher on ancient history of astronomy,
Ove von Spaeth, who
-- on the basis of astrological allusions -- has managed to reconstruct two
natal charts, i.e. the chart of Tycho Brahe's wise sister, Sophie Brahe, and
that of her lover, Mr. Erik Lange. Agnete Bay describes the history and
background of Sophie and Tycho Brahe. The two new charts will be presented
in the next issue of Stjernerne.
Stjärnforskningens historia behandlar vĺr syn pĺ och kunskaper om stjärnor genom
historien. - Historiskt sett har
astronomi och
astrologi
varit samma sak, kunskaper om stjärnorna var pĺ mĺnga sätt ett maktinstrument
och ett försök att spĺ framtida händelser. Det var inte förrän
den
vetenskapliga metoden slog igenom som fälten skilts ĺt.
Antiken och medeltiden. -
Systemet med stjärnbilder förbättrades och vidareutvecklades under
det
andra ĺrtusendet f.Kr. av
babylonerna
som gav de nuvarande stjärnbilderna i
Zodiaken sina
namn. De skapade även astronomiska kalendrar som fokuserade pĺ fenomen som kunde
användas för att följa ĺrstiderna. I omrĺdet har en serie lertevlor med
kilskrift
hittats, kallade
Enűma Anu Enlil, som noggrant beskriver olika astronomiska händelser. En av
tavlorna som beskriver planeten
Venus rörelser
tros beskriva händelser för 3500-4000 ĺr sedan, men som förts över till tavlan
frĺn ett tidigare original.[5]
Även civilisationen i
Forntida
Egypten innehade framstĺende kunskaper inom astronomi och astrologi. Detta
bevisas bland annat av att världens äldsta bevarade och exakt daterade (1534
f.Kr.)
stjärnkarta hittats i närheten av
Luxor,
Egypten.[6]
[6]^ von Spaeth, Ove, Dating the Oldest
Egyptian Star Map (1999) Centaurus International Magazine of the History
of Mathematics, Science and Technology. 42. (3).sid. 159-179.
Evidence of Catastrophes in the Natural World:
http://biblesearchers.com/catastrophes/catastrophes6.shtml
The Acts of God, Polar
Reversals, Mountain Uplifts, Collapsing tectonic plates, Massive Uplifts, Lake
Titicaca Tianhuanco, and the Tianhuanco Culture Puma Punka Sacayhuama and the
city of Cusco. - The Evidence for Antediluvian Civilizations in the Bible, -
Crustal Shifting Sun Novas, Solar Flares, & Changes in the Speed of the Earth's
Rotation.
The Sun's Magnetic Field
and the Aurora Borealis Solar Radio Emissions, Future Catastrophic Eras on this
Planet, Signs in the Sun, Moon and the Stars, Weakening the Earth's Geomagnetic
Field, Effects of the Loss of the Earth's Geomagnetic Field, Hurricanes and
Weather Related Disasters.
At the same time, let us look at the writing of the ancients and how they
documented the catastrophes that have occurred on this earth.
Herodotus. - In receiving
the oral history of the ancient Egyptians during his visit in the 5th
century BC, Herodotus was told, "four times in this period (historical
ages), the sun rose contrary to his wont; twice he rose where he now sets,
and twice he sets where he now rises." (Herodotus, Book 11:142)
Magical
Papyrus. - This Egyptian papyrus told of an era when a cosmic upheaval was of
fire and water and when "the south becomes north and the Earth turns
over."(H.O. Lange "Der Magische Papyrus Harris", Kongelige Danske
Videnskabernes Selskab (27) p. 58, quoted in Worlds in Collision by Emmanuel
B. Velikovsky, p. 120)
Papyrus Ipuwer. - According
to this early to Middle Kingdom papyrus, it told of an era when "the land
turns round (over) as does a potter's wheel" and "earth is turned upside
down". - This was associated with
a terrible destruction in the land in the land of Egypt. According to
Emmanuel Velikovsky, this Papyrus is an Egyptian depiction of the plagues
that occurred in the land of Egypt during the Exodus of the Israelites and
told of the destruction in Egypt at a time of great catastrophic calamities.
(Papyrus Ipuwer 2:8. Cf. Lange's (German translation) of the papyrus
(Sitzungsberichte d. Preuss. Akad. Der Wissenschaften (1902), pp. 601-610 as quoted in Velikovsky's Worlds in Collision, 127).
The astronomical ceiling
of Senmut's tomb, line drawing. - Veilikovsky and Senmut's tomb. - Senmut was the
vizier to queen Hatshepsut and also the calendar registrar of Egypt, during
the 18th dynasty (16th c. BCE). He was also chief architect of Queen
Hatshepsut, the female pharaoh's funeral mortuary temple near the Valley of
the Kings.
According to A. Pogo, on
the ceiling panel of this architect's tomb, it "displays the celestial
heavens including the zodiac and other constellation. The strange thing is
the southern sky shows the constellations in "a reversed orientation." (A.
Pogo, "The Astronomical Ceiling Decoration in the Tomb of Senmut (XVIIIth
Dynasty)", Isis Journal (1930). P. 306 as quoted by Velikovsky in Worlds in
Collision, p. 127).
This star-map actually describes a planetary conjunction in which the planet
position is defined to a certain sector of the sky, plus a solar eclipse. As such, precise astronomical calculation can date this map to the date, May, 1534
BCE (Ove von
Spaeth, "Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map", International Journal of the
History of Science, Centaurus, vol 42:3 (2000):159-179) The Astronomical Ceiling
of Senmut's Tomb.
Whereas Emmanuel
Velikovsky identified Queen Hatshepsut as the Queen of Sheba who came to visit
King Solomon, internationally recognized former head of the School of Archeology
at Andrew University in Berrien Springs, Michigan, Dr. Gearty, believes
that a firm case can be made that Queen Hatshepsut was the foster mother of the
prince apparent to the Pharaoh of Egypt, Moses. - Upon the exile of Moses and
the death of Queen Hatshepsut, the nephew Thutmos III, a mighty Pharaoh in
history became the Pharaoh that put the Israelites into bondage.
Plato: "I mean the change in
the rising and the setting of the sun and the other heavenly bodies, how in those times they used to set in the quarter where they now rise, and used to
rise where they now set"…."at certain periods the universe has in present
circular motion, and at other periods it revolved in the reverse direction….Of
all the changes which take place in the heavens this reversal is the greatest
and the most complete." (Plato, The Statesman or Politicus (trans. H.N. Flowler,
1925) p. 49, 53).
The tombs of Senmut and Hatshepsut. Here you find fotos from the tombs KV20
(Hatshepsut) and GN169 (Senmut), - both closed permanently, and are very
difficult to obtain access.
One of the two tombs of
Senmut GN353
http://home.zonnet.nl/senmut/tredoc4.htm
- scroll down to Tuthmosis III Tomb
http://home.zonnet.nl/senmut/senhat5.htm
http://www.mazzaroth.com/V3DemoIndex.htm
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut3-treatise_en.asp
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut1-mapdate_en.asp
http://www.diagnosis2012.co.uk/6.htm
Could Senmuts star map be
showing an event like pole shift....we have the Hendaye Cross events coming up.
Could the Denderah Star
Map be showing Dec. 2012.
Papyrus Ipuwer, according
to this early to Middle Kingdom papyrus, it told of an era when "the land turns
round (over) as does a potter's wheel" and "earth is turned upside down". This
was associated with a terrible destruction in the land in the land of Egypt.
According to A. Pogo, on
the ceiling panel of this architect's tomb, it "displays the celestial heavens
including the zodiac and other constellation. The strange thing is the southern
sky shows the constellations in a reversed orientation.
(According to
Ove von Spaeth:)
"... This star-map actually describes a planetary conjunction in which the planet
position is defined to a certain sector of the sky, plus a solar eclipse. As such, precise astronomical calculation can date this map to the date, May,1534
BCE..".
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1.3 Sagan's and Salpeter's proposal
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2 Transbulundum Filimanjunks
2.1 The egyptians and the stars
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Sagan's and Salpeter's proposal
Sagan and others proposed in the 1960ies, that organic molecule occurence in
Jupiter's atmosphere could enable the sustenance of amino acid based life in
this atmosphere, provided that life once had emerged on Jupiter somehow.
In a scientifical article
from 1976, the astrophycisists Carl Sagan and Edwin Ernest Salpeter computes
most likely conditions for Earth-like macroscopic organisms to avoid either
being frozen at too high elevation in atmosphere, or be boiled at too low
elevations. Sagan and Salpeter then proposes a slow locomotion for three kind of
hypothetical macroscopic organisms, that they name "sinkers", "floaters", and
"hunters".
The Egyptians and the stars
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really knew much more about transbulundum filimanjunks than our envious group
nationalist scientists really wanted to admit.
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The Official Graham Hancock Website, phorum,
26 May 2008 -
opinions:
Comet Halley in Senmut's star map?
http://www.grahamhancock.com - Mysteries - for serious
discussion of the controversies, approaches, and enigmas surrounding the
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The Official Graham
Hancock Website, - subject: Senmut's Starmap
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Hi there, - martinpescatore asked me what I think of Senmut's Starmap. Thanks
for the link Martinpescatore. This evening I studied
the paper of Ove
von Spaeth.
I invite you to look at a
small photo gallery. This might only take 10 minutes of your time but 20
pictures tell more than 1000 words. This photo's will explain (a bit) my
view/ideas on the development of Egypts religion:
http://picasaweb.google.nl/gilbertdejong/CometHalley?authkey=QMrbXFSrGpI
In the next posting I
will answer your question. Perhaps other people will join in? Kind regards,
-
Here is my respond to the
paper of
Ove von Spaeth (
../star-map/dating_the_senmut_star_map.pdf ):
It is my conviction that
ancient religion in Egyptian has been based on the re-appearance/apparition of
Comet Halley. Its return could be predicted by the Egyptians and probably other
ancient cultures as well, by calculating the position of Jupiter, after two
perihelion dates, in the constellation of Leo. So, at least, every third
apparition of Comet Halley could be calculated within the timeframe of about one
year, because they knew Jupiter would be in Leo.
This knowledge between
Jupiter, Leo and Comet Halley is very old and gave the priest-astronomers great
power. On April 18 2647 BC Comet Halley had a perihelion passage and could be
watched by naked eye. On the same evening a conjunction could be noticed of
Regulus, Jupiter and Leo almost in the zenith of the sky. This conjunction has
been projected by the Memphis priests, from heaven to earth, on the Giza plateau
as the three pyramids making the midst pyramid, the pyramid (Chafre) dedicated
to Jupiter.
There are three dates
important when Comet Halley can be seen:
- The first visibility. Of course this date can vary depending on
atmospherically circumstances (cloudy weather, rain, morphology of the terrain
etc.).
- The date of the perihelion passage. On this day they noticed Comet Halley
nearest to the sun. This is a fixed date.
- The date of the last visibility. This date can also vary due to circumstances.
A culture so deeply
interested in the re-appearance of the king, who is also associated with death
and death culture, surely might have had lesser interest in Sirius, as the paper
suggests. It should instead take the planetary positions on perihelion dates
of Comet Halley in consideration.
The most remarkable date
in mr Joseph L. Brady's scientific paper is: June 21 1445 BC. On this particular
day Comet Halley came closest to the sun on the Summersolstice. It is the only
time. Halley's Comet came on perihelion passage on the Summersolstice between
2647 BC and 1986 AD. A very, very remarkable date and this year, 1445 BC, is
also considered as the year Moses begot a sign from God which lead to the exodus
of the Hebrews. (see: f.i.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1440s_BC . On this special day
Mars-Venus-Saturnus had a noticeable conjunction in Gemini, in a way they
resembled the three stars in Orion's Belt.
Back to
von Spaeth's
paper: - It is a paper that, to my knowledge, contains the following
'errors' or 'doubtful correlations':
- P. 166. 'The map of
Senmut' pictures an empty boat', This is probably a metaphor for the god that
can not be seen. (Hidden, unvisible or disappeared (Comet)). It is probably not
Mars on retrograde. This god can be seen even when retrograde. There is also an
image of Khnum, the goat, probably Aries, which has not been explained by this
paper.
- P. 167. 'Jupiter is
called: '… Horus is associated with Comet Halley and indirectly with Jupiter.
- P. 167. 'Saturn has, on
the map of Senmut, the designation: 'Whose name is Bull of Heaven, who
ferries….". This is definitely incorrect. The Bull of Heaven is a metaphor for
Halley's Comet near or at the day of perihelion passage
- P. 168. 'Especially the
great planet were 'Oxens in the Sky'. Wrong interpretation: 'Horned' or
three-tailed comets were the Bulls of the sky.
- P. 171. The eyes of
Horus is probably a conjunction of Jupiter and Venus instead of the sun and moon
as normally assumed. A more or less parallel rising ore setting of both planets
which occurred on may 24/25 1534 BC. The 'defect' mentioned is probably the
occultation by the moon of Venus, one of the eyes of Horus on may 21 1534 BC.
- P. 171. Fred Espanak
doesn't offer a sun eclipse that could be visible in Egypt in may 1534 BC see:
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/5MCSEmap/-1599--1500/-1533-05-21.gif. Who is
right about delta-t?
- P. 171. Fred Espanak
doesn't offer a moon eclipse in 1534 BC as well, see:
http://eclipse.gsfc.nasa.gov/LEcat/LE-1599--1500.html. Who is right about
delta-t?
My conclusion is, that
the maps on the Southern panel and northern panel are not reffering to the date
in may 1534 BC. - I think it should be June
21 1445 BC at perihelion passage of Halley's Comet. The three 'stars in the belt
of Orion' are a conjunction of the planets Saturn, Venus and Mars in the east at
sunrise in this very special day.
All the gods are looking
at the right direction so this text must be read from left to right instead of
from right to left. Than the small diagram with the pear shape, with four
asterixes, (the next three days), mark a changing of the position of the planets
on June 22, June 23 and June 24 in this same year. - In the next four days
nothing special happens. The next day we see Khnum, the horned one, and the
empty boat. This is surely a metaphor for the day Comet Halley, the horned
comet, becomes invisible and, in the view of the Egyptians: the King dies.
Counting the days of his reign from June 21 to June 29, can be read as: the King
ruled for 8 'years'.
Proof: Manetho's Dynasty 18
Kingslist offers following pharaohs (Budge, Book I,
p.136):
12. Acherres: 8 years (apparition of Halley's Comet in 1445 BC) > on the
Southern panel
13. Cherres: 15 years (apparition of Halley's Comet in 1369 BC)
14. Armais: 5 years (apparition of Halley's Comet in 1295 BC)
15. Ramesses (II): 68 years (apparition of Halley's Comet in 1219 BC, around
February 20) > on this day the sun enters each year the Great Temple of Abu
Simbel. The exceptional long visibility of this apparition, 68 days, is surely
remarkable but not impossible!!!
So the sequence of Kings
of Heaven, based on apparations of Halley's Comet, do match the image on the
'Oldest Egyptian Star Map' and I conclude that the Oldest Egyptian Star Map
refers to June 21, 1445 BC. - Kind regards and commends welcome,
-
Hi Gilbert, - Thank you very much! - June 21, 1445 BC is your (guess) that's why
I have this questions. - But if his secret tomb is dated between 1500-1470 BC,
and the tomb was abandoned suddenly in 1493 BC at that date, then Hatshepsut was not
alive 1445 BC (OK yeah Helck mean it). Well, lots of different opinions of her
birth and death. Why make a astronomical chart with the most dominating
description of Axis Mundi with this date, and what does that date refer to - his
birth? (see also:
http://www.narmer.pl/indexen.htm):
Hatshepsut 1466-1444???;
-- 1503-1483 (Wente); 1502-1482 (Redford), 1490-1468 (Hornung); 1489-1469
(Parker); 1479-1458 (Krauss); 1479/3-1458/7 (von Beckerath); 1479-1457 (Málek,
Aldred, Kitchen); 1478-1458 (Murnane, Grimal); 1473-1458 (Arnold, Shaw);
1472-1457 (Dodson); 1467-1445 (Helck).
According to modern
Egyptology, Senmut was 'just' architect/of common birth, some think he was
Hatshepsut's lover, but have you tried to look at all his titles before he suddenly
disappeared (approx. 6 years) before the death of Hatshepsut, and why Thotmosis
III destroyed listing much of Hatshepsut's period as pharao etc. and of
Senmut's work, i.e. the obelisk he had made for Hatshepsut - like it was
important to him to erase especially those 2 names. - So, how could Semut have
all the titles as a coming pharaoh normally has if he was
not of royal blood?
And isn't it strange that
his astronomical tomb in this respect was no match for even a
pharaoh, and could 'just' a commoner be allowed to build that? Also, if we see
where his official first tomb (TT 71) with a burial sarcophag: it can't be
nothing else than a Royal Tomb, a simple or lower subject would hardly be
allowed to construct like that?
Next, look at the
connection between Thuthmosis II and Senmut - Senmut do not mention him at all
in his inscriptions - isn't that a bit unusual for a person at the royal court?
Look at the pictures of
him double chin:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senemut - the statue of him at Louvre
with the measure-line - in my opinion not very common for just a common man.
But certainly, it's an
very interesting man, Senmut - Sen=brother, mut=mother according to Herman
Ranke, for further investigation. - Best regards
-
Hi Martinpescatore, - Yes, I agree. But I think there is a misunderstanding of
what a pharaoh really is. In my opinion it is a 'Heavenly ruler'. Chronology
based on Manetho fails because I think the years of reign are provided in days
and not in years. See for instance p. 133 (book I) 'Dynasty VII at Memphis:
Seventy Kings in 70 days/Four kings in 75 days. Somebody, and probably not
Budge, is messing up the chronology by making the mistakes of writing 'days'
instead of 'years'.
So, I think Hatshepsut,
has some relevance to Comet Halley. It is also significant none of the faraoh's
seems to have been born at all. The life of the farao seem to start when he
ascends the throne. This is event is 'marked by the periheliondate of Halley's
Comet. So, I believe faraohs are not earthly kings but heavenly rulers. However
it is nice that Helck is close.
I had a look at the link
on the Senemut page at wikipedia. There is surely the sign of a (horned) comet
in his Hieroglyphs. The Vulture stands for 'death' so his name has a relation to
the 'death of a King'. - What comes in mind is ,
before the expected apparation of Halley's Comet, another comet appears that
fooled them. This has also been the case in 1910. See
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Daylight_Comet_of_1910 .
-
... there is a lot of other things to explore around AE than a missing body,
with all the cross references existing of written data of monuments, cities
names, etc. discovered centuries later as a fact not just a ghost from the
bible, but from a lot of other records to, where does things fit together as a
unit of evidence from a past time?
No, you need archaeology,
mysticism/mystery-knowledge and ancient records etc. etc. to give you a multi
layered knowledge, - it is not only 2 two-sided or 4 sided science, it is much
more.
Some astronomers do quite
well have interest and great knowledge of AE and especially 18 Dyn., please take
your time to these folks research of our ancient star inheritance; - cf. Richard
Hinckley Allen: "Star Names, Their Lore and Meaning", (London 1899) rev.
ed. Dover Books, New York 1963. Also:
http://hans.wyrdweb.eu/about-pleiades-or-how-a-fool-destroyed-paradise
- and [Ove von Spaeth's texts on] Star traditions from a
mysterious past:
http://thirax.dk/artikler/OveSpaeth/Ove21/index-uk.html
http://thirax.dk/artikler/OveSpaeth/Ove24/index-uk.html
http://thirax.dk/artikler/OveSpaeth/Ove26/index-uk.html
http://thirax.dk/artikler/OveSpaeth/Ove27/index-uk.html http://ovs.thirax.dk/ - At least it gives a wider
point of view of things we discuss about the meaning of
not just Halleys, but Orion, Pleiades, and their influence according to our
ancestors.
-
Hi Gilbert, - "calculated" is not reality (quote: >> the oldest calculated date
of April 18 2647 BC...), it's not an observation recorded by eyewitness but,
again, it is purely hypothetically.
How can you base a hypothesis upon another hypothesis upon a third hypothesis
and then assume that anybody will consider your idea being serious?
What is so special
(quote: >>Jupiter stays in Leo for about one year during one turn..) with Leo
when we know that Jupiter stays ca. 1 year in each of the 12 zodiacal sectors?
Sorry to say, until now
there seems not much substance in your hypothetical concept. In research of the
ancient past - don't look for calculated assumptions but real concrete patterns,
there are still many to find out there:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/zenith-files_en/zenith-netbase_en.asp .
- Best Regards
Martin Gjedde, m5design, 26 May 2008 -
on research:
When research forgetting to include the Egyptian factor
Mail to Ove von Spaeth: finally, I
found your mail address and hope that it still works. I wrote 2 years ago
after having read your books, which really made me interested in very much
stuff concerning the 18. dynasty and history in particular ...
Various writers such as
Graham Hancock, John Anthony West, etc. are - like you - digging into things
that science often most of all calls ridiculous. - Refusals from the
established science are often produced ith a condescending, knowing-all
attitude, etc. And it may signal that something in their knowledge is not as
it should be.
I began to read in Graham
Hancock site,
www.grahamhancock.com where discussions are multiple and I have therefore
tried to get someone to look at your solution of Senmuts star map (see:
http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum/list.php?f=1). It is because of your
books interest me and they gave me a lot of interesting discussions for and
against, but we must take it from the beginning and that is your solution
concerning Senmuts Star-map.
I hope you - on the basis
from your knowledge and research - one day would have the time to check out some
of the questions and comments. Gilbert de Jong has not the same opinion as you -
you present a another survey and point to a different date: Here is his
answer to me:
http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=242670&t=242669. I attach
it also, for safety's sake, and by the way it is I who is called Martin
Pescatore in his texts of the discussion.
I am very happy that your
books about Moses will be translated in English, as all people there at
www.grahamhancock.com
have not read anything other than the brief introduction to Volume 1 etc. - and,
as you point out, it is difficult to come all the way around for people of other
languages when they have not got the coherent overview as we, already, got from
your books.
But one thing is certain,
it is controversial stuff that creates a lot of different forms of opinions
around the knowledge that your books have given, for example me - and - those
who have not read them. Yes, the waves can move quite high, especially when we
see that in connection with Moses it is often forgotten to include the
historical Egyptian factor.
And thanks for your help
with inspiration - this is a very broad-sprectred knowledge which I both are impressed
by and it has given me a completely different understanding and feeling now to be on
safer ground. I consistently use your books to obtain a better understanding, and
the information gave me much to work with. Many times it gives an AHA
experience.
On the Internet, (Ove
von Spaeth's Zenith-files),
I have been through all your articles now - many of them concern other sides of
the great development of mankind and the Earth's history - and I must say it is
extremely informative! I can look forvard to study it further in depth when they
are published as books.
My own view is that Moses
left us this legacy but we have not so much notion what to make of it since it is
too mythical/mystical, and we can not recognize it in ourselves without it
becomes opinions of which science cannot tolerate.
But Moses is absolutely
the key to understanding for both forward, and backward as well - th- ere is still plenty to find
and many gaps to fill. But it may well be achieved when moving forward - for
which you have shown a rather long strech of the path.
Indeed, I have great
benefit from using your books also as a reference work as well as when asking
questions to people - when concerning the knowledge of the initiation mysteries, and astronomical knowledge, and the
archaeological facts which your books are baed on. When I early, at C.A. Reitzel
Publishers, purchased your books, they hit the purse but they
were all worth the money!
I can just observe that
if I, for example, ask into the core, people have great difficulty with
contra-arguing when being confronted with the many findings and the intertextual
references. Then there is
silence, or at best, the answer is generally - "the myths".
Your research/knowledge
should really come out to a larger mass of people. Here I am in accordig with the journalist
Jacob Ludvigsen. Hoping the English translation is progressing! Many
kind greetings and respect.
Martin Gjedde, m5design, Am Gehölz 4, D-21465 Wentorf
bei Hamburg, Germany -
m5design@mac.com -
(26.May.2008)
Ove von Spaeth's answer to Martin Gjedde -
30 May 2008
- factfinding:
Comparisons with other Egyptian star maps
By OVE VON SPAETH
Ove von Spaeth's anwer
to Martin Gjedde - (cf. mail above)
Supportive, when our current knowledge constantly is being challenged. - But
in this case it is difficult to comment on a "challenge" when its originator
does not seem to read properly in what he claims to have read, and do not use
the arguments against the written facts, but simply claim that they are wrong
(one among many examples, when he says: "... This is definitely incorrect.
The Bull of Heaven is a metaphor for Halley's Comet ...". - But should we
discard past knowledge here and start changing the designation Bull of Heaven
all the many places, in all the other Egyptian texts and all star maps, now to
be Halley's comet ??).
In all information and
data and sources I have presented in my dissertation "Dating the Oldest Egyptian
Star Map" ("Centaurus", 2000) - and often on the Internet too. In this paper
there is inclusively presented comparisons with the other Egyptian star maps and
the whole body of the Egyptian astronomical literature.
Computations of Senmut's
star map and other Egyptian star maps were thoroughly tested professionally
aided by a super computer programme for astronomy. Great authorities of
historical astronomy and of Egyptology have examined my thesis, both in advance
and after it was published.
On the Internet - for
instance, see my treatise's FAQ page:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2-faq_en.asp - I have
repeatedly answered concerning circumstances of which many non-astronomers
usually lack the knowledge.
The results from my many
years of necessarily thorough investigation of Senmut's star map constitute an
offer - a material for further exploration - you can use it or not, I am not a
missionary. Thus, de Jong chooses freely to change what I have written to make
it fit his own thesis on Halley's comet.
Currently there appear
more "explorers" - for example, when some people once again finds that their,
after all, limited astronomical programme in their computers at home may obtain
a slightly different result than presented in my treatise - then, immediately,
they claim without prior investigation and a cross-testing that the treatise -
as a matter of course - has to be wrong, and that their computer shows the
'truth'.
Or when such critics
claim the treatise's identification of a solar eclipse to be totally wrong,
because it might not have be observed in Egypt, or because it was not a total
eclipse - so they take it for a defect criterion, although the paper do not
mention anything about such specifications of being observed in Egypt or being a
total eclipse. These critics ignore entirely that the records on the map were
based on the Egyptians' thousand-years-old tradition of astronomic calculations,
- as was the case also of most of the planets on the map they could not be seen
as the sun was placed so close to them, but these critics have completely
forgotten taking this into account.
There are many things to
investigate before starting any criticism here - from outside it may be
difficult to understand why someone would launch some critical accusations
without first having examined the situation thoroughly. But if the people in
question think that they can be satisfied with their own superficiality, there
is not so much to do about such non-serious way of trying only to create an
impression.
It could be some sort of
reminder for what I may expect when the books are published in English. Should I
spend time on writing answers to superficialities instead of carrying out
research?
Here, I can repeat my
statement from my discussion elsewhere on my discussion boards:
"... Today's mainstream historians, once having embarked upon an erroneous
chronological path supported by now thousands of research papers of people who
have no or little knowledge of the chronology here presented, have abandoned
good historical methods ...".
- Some people become
really angry about my presentation of existing acknowledged facts.
And from various sides
other people can be seen elaborating "advanced" ideas that they want to connect
with my discoveries - and also some of these people become upset when on the
basis of my knowledge in these cases I am not really able to support just these
defective or non-argued claims. However, on the other hand, I would very much
like to support that the existing knowledge continuingly is being challenged at
all.
You write about the
academic arrogance which often can be directed to researchers of different
observance - I, too, have met the monster. So it is double unfortunate that I
now can not go ahead with de Jong's claims because he, unfortunately, has gone
through with treating existing sources and data arrogantly.
Take a look on how fine
respectfully one of the greatest, Albert Einstein, expresses his opinion - and
with what actually corresponds to a Buddhist insight:
"... A human being is a part of a whole, called by us a universe, a part limited
in time and space. He experiences himself, his thoughts and feelings as
something separated from the rest ... a kind of optical delusion of his
consciousness. This delusion is a kind of prison for us, restricting us to our
personal desires and to affection for a few persons nearest to us. Our task must
be to free ourselves from this prison by widening our circle of compassion to
embrace all living creatures and the whole of nature in its beauty. ..."
In my
Moses-series' Volume 3,
the Chapter 19 contains a detailed
astronomical analysis of the biblical reference to a hitherto strange
celestial phenomenon in connection with the Sun and the Moon, an event which
unfolded under the Joshua's famous battle at Gibeon. There are indications that
it was a concrete event in history, but which, because of the Bible also
somewhat religious tinted description, is often seen alleged to be a myth.
(Although without any
direct connection, but it could by possible curiously interest be worth taking a
look at the following links: BBC News, 18 July 2005: Mysterious planet baffles
experts, -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/4682361.stm - and BBC
News, 29 March 2007: Many planets may have double suns, -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6506081.stm ).
After the publishing, in
2000, of my treatise which presents the first precise or specific dating of the
Senmut star map - and also carrying out a dissemination of these research
results by means of several other channels - the interest in the Senmut star map
has grown considerably. Many people even among historians did not really knew
about the existence or significance of this map, and we can look forward to that
one day the presented concept - as was my intension from the start - will be
used to a greater extent in the service of ancient chronology.
Události a trendy
1539 př.n.l. — konec sedmnácté dynastie Egypta, start osmnácté dynastie.
1539 př.n.l. — přiblížit se prvnímu použití údolí Kingsa.
1534 př.n.l. — nejstarší starý hvězdný diagram byl vyroben v Ancient Egyptě.
1530 př.n.l. — konec první dynastie Babylon a startu Kassite dynastie — vidět
minulost Iráku.
Významní lidé
Accessing the Ove von Spaeth treatise on the
Senmut Star Map - current info :
Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map
Ove von Spaeth: "Dating
the Oldest Egyptian Star Map", - "Centaurus", Vol. 42, Issue 3, Page 159-179,
July 2000.
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The oldest known writing that would qualify as a map in the way we think of it
today is this:
http://www.chinapage.com/astronomy/chart/celestialchart.html . This is a map
that was drawn up in approximately thirteenth century China.
There are also much older
descriptions of the heavens, limited charts, and so on. Probably the oldest of
these is a 3500 year-old Egyptian inscription on the ceiling of an ancient tomb.
You can see it here:
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut1-mapdate_en.asp .
... E che cosa dire della Tomba di Senmut dove sono rappresentate le tre
stelle della cintura di Orione circondate da tre goccie? Se non erro Giacobbo in
uno dei suoi ultimi video a riguardo sollevava la possibilitŕ di antichi
contatti di alieni con l'Egitto!
... mentre questa č
l'immagine poc'anzi citata che costituisce tra le altre cose la piů antica mappa
stellare dell'antico egitto. Per chi fosse interessato segnalo questi due link
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/dating_the_senmut_star_map.pdf
- e questo
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut3-treatise_en.asp
Firma di Arturo ( "Dubitando ad veritatem pervenimus" (Cicerone))
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Oldest Egyptian Star Map New orientating discoveries in the world's oldest star map in a 3,500 year old
Egyptian tomb - presented through historian Ove von Spaeth's research -
revealing informative and precise astronomical data of great importance to
ancient Egyptian chronology.
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A special treasure of knowledge and wisdom
of Greece, Rome, and the Renaissance had originated in Ancient Egypt -
and was here known to connect also with the historical Moses' dramatic
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Ove von Spaeth has
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influential background of our civilization. • His interdisciplinary
research on history, archaeology, and anthropology goes deeply into
Egyptian tradition, history of religion, initiation cults, star-knowledge,
and mythology - relating to biblical studies, the Rabbinical Writings,
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