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DEBATE, MANIFESTATIONS, AND NEWS IN THE PRESS AND INTERNET ETC.  -  ON VOL. 2 
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¤ GenesisPatriarchs, reference on the book-series on Moses, autumn 2001  -  opinion:
No researcher has ever come as close

          "... The Danish researcher Ove von Spaeth does, in his book series: "Assassinating Moses", set up a quite convincing theory ... I do not necessarily agree in all von Spaeth's conclusions, but certainly no researcher has ever come as close to the truth about Moses as he does ...".         

Claus Fentz Krogh, - www.genesispatriarchs.dk/patriarchs/joseph/joseph_eng.htm  -  (autumn 2001)

¤ Letter, 3 February 2002  -  comment:
I know you are on the right track

          "... I have read the English portion, the chapters about Moses at the web site. Fascinating. I know you are on the right track. ...
          My area for study for 30 years has been the spiritual or allegorical meaning of the first four narrations of Genesis. My approach has been much like yours. In order to study Genesis I have researched in many areas, including Egyptian Myth ... It certainly is too short a space here for me to give you any proof of my discovery and work, and how it draws together and makes sense out of the comments on an allegorical meaning to Genesis, as claimed by Philo, Moses Maimonides, Josephus and others regarding these stories ... You have this deep interest in Moses, I do too ...".

Ray Kaliss, distribution.moraff, - thirdinvention@... - (& www.thegenesisletters.com/Library.htm )  - (3.Feb.2002)

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¤ Mail, 10 February 2002  -  comments and readers' information:
Envious Scholars - and new Moses-tours in Egypt

After having read "The Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter", which is volume 2 of the book-series on Moses, I can only repeat my great admiration for the impressive research, its logical conclusions, and the inspiring way of writing.
          Obviously the resistance that Ove von Spaeth's books are met with from some Egyptologists and present clergy is a result of a hurt, professional pride, or let us just use the correct designation, i.e. envy. At this moment a number of Egyptologists would wish that it was they who had presented this research for gaping and jubilant colleagues. Part of the clergy, academic theologians, we cannot take seriously. For centuries they have tried to twist and hide reality for people. Dogmas and blind faith is more important to them that the truth.
          Nor am I worried about the reaction of these "professionals", when in the name of myself I more and more try to support an active, open presentation of the old narratives in the light of this new research. Based on this concept the part of my lecturing activities having their sources in the series of books on Moses has quickly become quite a success …

          In addition I can reveal that I have made an agreement with Stjernegaard Rejser a/s (Ltd.), Copenhagen, an esteemed and very experienced travel agency specializing in Egypt, to the effect that I am going to complete their programme on the special Moses-voyages developed on the basis of Ove von Spaeth's books.
          The concept is a cultural voyage programme taking us to selected places mentioned in the books. At the sites and in the conference rooms of the hotels, lectures will take place presenting the subjects based on the special treasure of exceptional observations and recognitions that these books - often being the first ones with these achievements - are now documenting and presenting to us.

Erik Ansvang, Lecturer, Writer, Tour Guide, and Tour Organizer
Ndr. Fasanvej 34, III tv, DK-2000 Frederiksberg. ansvang@newmail.dk &
www.aton-rejser.dk  -  Phone +45-33 23 32 12   -  (10.Feb.2002)

(With Erik Ansvang's permission of February 2, 2002, to be used by OvS)

¤ Reader's mail, 5 August 2001  -  opinion:
A Lecture Hall Peace Violator

Now it will be harder for the ruling elite in the so-called Copenhagen University to continue the campaign against authoritaritan-knowledge-denying books on Moses, published by a self-taught lecture hall peace violator who does not understand that true empirical scientific training is based on that we do not challenge predecessors' mistakes and repressions because it will make the entire rickety edifice to shudder.

          We can now follow this drama which occurred in the light of the transformation of the oldest world picture and the ensuing emerging religion-ideology which is the logical consequence of the research enshrined in those books.

          Thus, the impression in summary, and being followed up in Ove von Spaeth's last-released book, the Volume 2:  clear, readable setup, with brief sections that subvert several thousand years of mythology. We are speechless and had to chew each word a second time. - The book is, like everything that has come from this authorship, conscientiously carried out and marked from caution: You may well be friendly and informative, even if we pull down a couple of world religions on the floor.

Jacob Ludvigsen, journalist, writer, editor, - Svanekevej 42, Braendesmark,
DK-3740 Svaneke - (5.Aug.2001)

(publication approved in writing of April 23, 2003, by J. Ludvigsen)

¤ mail to editor  -  8 April 2002  -  opinion:
Multi-dimensional

In many ways it has been surprising to be familiarized with the first books in the series on Moses. I so intensely hope that the rest of the release does not last as long, so we can be enriched and gain more insight from your fantastic wording and the incredible research you've done in order to these books' content will be as genuine as possible. I look forward to reading more on your investigations of star maps and astro-mythological accounts, not least the Egyptological statements, and to follow the way to make us readers grasp the material.
          Once we have started and entered in the books, we cannot break away again. This are books that everyone should read - even though they probably should be read more than once to pick up all the great insights. - The sophisticated trap in "The Enigma of the Son of Pharaoh's Daughter" is so exciting reading, - could Moses be the culprit in the mysterious murder? It's really interesting to read in a different way than you learned in school. - Also by reading the various critics' statements it appears that others than me, after reading in different ways or thoroughly rereading, discovered that the books have been written in multiple layers of perception.
          I can observe at least three layers - one layer for general orientating reading - another for readers with particular interest - and a third one for a deeper understanding of knowledge, and perhaps additional perspectives. It felt like a major feature, even deliberately done.

Ulla Runchel, - Writer, Researcher of future, - Rancho de la Luz, Mijas, Spain, -
www.forvandlingskuglen.webbyen.dk  -  (8.Apr.2002)

¤ Ajeeb Arabic Portal, edalilc.Ajeeb.com, Dubai - permanent text, October 2002  -  Arts and Humanities, History:
Musa,Moses

"Moses" ( www.moses-egypt.net )   [Translate]   En 
A non-commercial website presents archives of information and documentation regarding an outstanding five-volume work of advanced studies and re-evaluation of the status and era of Moses: Moses as a historical person. The work is founded on secular scholarly research into the Bible and the Rabbinical Texts combined with archaeology, Egyptology, and anthropology."

موسى  [ترجم]  En
   
موقع غير تجاري يقدم أرشيف من المعلومات والوثائق حول عمل مكون من خمسة مجلدات، يتضمن دراسات متقدمة وثورية عن تمثال وحقبة سيدنا موسى عليه السلام كشخصية تاريخية. وقد قام العمل على أساس بحثي علمي في كل من الإنجيل والنصوص الربانية، إلى جانب علم الآثار، علم المصريات وعلم الإنسان.
 

Ajeeb, Arabic Portal, Dubai, - http://dalilc.ajeeb.com/data/64861.asp → (Arts and) Humanities  → History(80)  -  (Oct.2002)

¤ Discussion groups, GuildoftheProphets/moses, 1999, & 2000  -  opinion: 
Mosheh or 'Moses' - Senenmut the Steward of Hatshepsut

Birth of Moses.   - Most Jews and Christians hold to a rather romanticized version of the Nativity of Mosheh or 'Moses'. In the year 1999 or 5759 common era, it seems to me that I remembered the true identity of Mosheh or 'Moses' as Senenmut the Steward of Hatshepsut. This appears to me to be a memory restored to me from a previous Gilgulim or 'Reincarnation' (Metempsychosis) and was not the result of any intense study or discipline. It came upon me as a Bas Kol or 'Daughter Voice' (Damamah: 'Silent-Hum'; Still-Small-Voice') in a moment of Inspiration.

          Concerning the Nativity of Mosheh, V'Elleh Sh'mos or 'Exodus' states:  - "And, a man from a House of Levi went, and, took a daughter of Levi. And, the woman conceived, and, bore a son, and, she saw that he was good, and, she hid him for three months. And, she was not able anymore to hide him, and, she took him with an ark of papyrus, and, she pasted it with bitumen, and, with tar, and, she placed the youth within it, and, she placed it in the reeds upon the banks of the Nile. And, his sister stood afar to know what would happen to him." (2:1-4; Sons of the Prophets version)
          A literal translation  of the original Hebrew is as follows:   - Va-yelek (And went) 'ish ([a] man) mi-beis (from [a] house) Levi ([of]Levi) va-yiqach (and took) 'es (direct object signifier) bas (daughter) Levi ([of] Levi). Va-tahar (And conceived) ha-'ishah (the woman) va-teleth (and bore) ben ([a] son) va-tere' (and saw) 'oso (direct object signifier) ki-tov (like good) hu' (he) va-titz'p'nehu (and she hid) sh'loshah (three) y'rachim (months). V'lo' (And not) yak'lah (was able) 'oth (anymore) hatz'fino (to hide) va-tiqach (and she took) lo (with) tevas ([an] ark) gome' ([of] papyrus) va-tach'm'rah (and she pasted) va-chemar (in the bitumen) vu-va-zafes (and in the tar) va-tasem (and she placed) bah (in the it) 'es (direct object signifier) ha-yeleth (the youth) va-tasem (and she placed) ba-suf (in the reed) al-s'fas (upon banks) ha-y''or (the Nile). Va-tesatzav (And she stood) 'achoso (his sister) me-rachoq (from afar) l'the'ah (to know) mah (interrogatory signifier) ye'aseh (making) lo (with).

          Hatshepsut.   - The "Key Figure" to any identification of the historical personage known as Mosheh or 'Moses' is Hatshepsut the Female Pharaoh. She was the so-called "Daughter of Pharaoh" that rescued the child Mosheh from the Nile River.
          False Theory.  A Seventh-Day Adventist by the name of Michael Scheifler has proposed a similar theory that Mosheh or 'Moses' is both Senenmut and Pharaoh Thothmoses II. His theory is posted at his "Bible Light" website, and, his theory has influenced several web-forum discussions. http://www.biblelight.net/moses.htm & http://www.kingtutone.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=6967

          Aaccepted dating methods and chronology.
   - I challenge this theory of Michael Scheifler's in another section, however, suffice it to state that, as can readily be ascertained from a cursory survey by the various web-forum discussions, his theory challenges the accepted dating methods and chronology of the Eighteenth Dynasty of Egypt; as acknowledged by the Egyptologists. In opposition to this, my own recollection of the events coincide with the accepted dating methods and chronology;   http://www.specialtyinterests.net/alternate.html & http://www.maat-ka- while also re-interpreting the conclusions derived therewith:  http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut1-mapdate_en.asp#5 (&  http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut4-history_en.asp#5 ).

Stephanie Michelle, Soror Samhain - Practicus 3=8, Copyright 1999 or 5759 common era  -  http://groups.msn.com/GuildoftheProphets/moses.msnw  -  (1999, & 2000)

¤ Moses Web Search Results - Moses Picture Gallery  - February 2004: 
Moses Related Categories 

Moses Web Search Results - An interpretation of Moses as a historical person and of the chronology of his era, based on inter-scientifical research in history, Egyptology, theology, archaeology, and historical astronomy.
          - 4)  Moses & New Research / Moses' Identity and Mystery Re-evaluated [Moses] - ( www.moses-egypt.net ).

Moses Poster Print Picture Gallery, The largest selection of posters and art prints in the world - www.poster-print-picture-gallery.com/000000012/Moses%20-%20(259172).html - & - www.poster-print-picture-gallery.com  -  (Feb.2004)

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¤ Danish Association for the History of Religion, Spring 2002  -  on reviews:
History of Religion, 2

DAHR:  Danish Association for the History of Religion. The DAHR is a society of scholars and teachers of religion, as well as others with an academic interest in religion and the historical study of religions. DAHR was founded in 1982.
          DAHR is affiliated with the International Association for the History of Religions (IAHR) as well as the European Association for the Study of Religions (EASR).
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Jens-André P. Herbener, Cand.Mag. et Mag.Art.  -  reviewing:
          "Judith Vogt:  Der er heller ikke noget nyt under månen: En mosaik om magtens sødme (C.A. Reitzels Forlag. København. 1999)",  - Rambam: Journal for Danish Jewish History, 10, 2001, pp. 95-96.
          "Ove von SpaethThe Suppressed Record: Assassinating Moses, I, (C.A. Reitzels Forlag. København. 1999) & Ove von Spaeth The Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter: Assassinating Moses, II, (C.A. Reitzels Forlag. København. 2000)",  - Rambam: Journal for Danish Jewish History, 10, 2001, pp. 93-95.
          "Judith Vogt: Den store illusion: Religion og politik (C.A. Reitzels Forlag. København. 2002)", - Rambam: Journal for Danish Jewish History, 11, 2002, pp. 113-114.

          Also, concerning J-A.P. Herbener, cf.: The Hebrew Bible Translation Project, www.hebrew-bibletranslation.com, 2002.

dahr.dk, - Jens-André P. Herbener, Publications, - http://www.dahr.dk/english.html  http://www.dahr.dk/bibliografier/JensAndreHerbener.html  -  (Spring 2002)

¤ Who.knows-everything.com, - February 2006  -  info: 
Zum Thema "Moses"

          Moses. - From Wikipedia. - (See also: Exodus)
Moses or Môses (משה 'drawn', Standard Hebrew M 161;e, Tiberian Hebrew Mōšeh), son of Amram and his wife, Jochebed, a Levite. Legendary Hebrew liberator, leader, lawgiver, prophet, and historian. If he is a historical figure, he may have lived between the 18th century BCE and the 13th century BCE.
          According to the Hebrew Bible, Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt. He received the Torah Of Judaism from God on Mount Sinai. The Torah contains the life story of Moses and his people till his death at the age of 120 years.
          Moses' greatest legacy was probably expounding the doctrine of monotheism, which was not widely accepted at the time, codifying it in Jewish religion with the 1st (and most important) Commandment, and punishing polytheists. He is revered as a prophet in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
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          Unsere Meta-Suche zum Thema "Moses" lieferte folgende Ergebnisse:
2: The Mystery of Moses Re-evaluated ( http://www.moses-egypt.net )
An Interpretion of the Moses Character and His Era on the Basis of Interdisciplinary Studies on history, archaeology, religious History, theology, and astronomy

who.knows-everything, - http://who.knows-everything.com/Moses  -  (Feb.2006)

¤ Limewoody, Non Imprimatur, 5 April 2006  -  Comments and readers' info:
To anyone interested in ancient Egypt and the Bible

Limewoody:  Non Imprimatur - eurabia " WordPress.com Blog By limewoody on Non Imprimatur. Right now we only show the latest 20 posts, so even though there are more for this tag you can't see them yet. Patience! ... wordpress.com/tag/eurabia/
          For anyone who is interested in the ancient Egypt and the history of the Bible and Moses -go to this site:  http://www.moses-egypt.net/
          [ More results from limewoody.wordpress.com ]

Limewoody, Non Imprimatur, - http://limewoody.wordpress.com  - 05:45 (5.Apr.2006)
 

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¤ Bornholm Journal,  -  5 February 2001 (p.11)  -  Introductury reportage:
Finding the historical Moses' archives
By  ERLING HAAGENSEN, Writer, Film Director, Member of Danish Film Directors

Ove von Spaeth - with his series of books as (in total) five planned books about Moses' historical identity: von Spaeth is presenting testimony about the books they have found the historical Moses in ancient Egypt.

          Ove von Spaeth's interest is also related to possibilities of finding the historical archives, which Moses is believed to have brought from Egypt - and which could have been stored together with the Ark of the Covenant. Both disappeared at the Babylonians' conquest of Jerusalem in the year of 586 BC. (and were not on the Bible's list of the seized treasures and objects).

Erling Haagensen, Author, Journalist, Film director, Member of Danish Film Directors,  - Bornholm Journal, reportage, p.11  -  ( 5.feb.2001) 
-  (see also www.merling.dk )  

Erling Haagensen also published together with Henry Lincoln: "The Templars' Secret Island", the fantastic story which became ä basis of the Da Vinci Mystery.

 
¤ Reference.com, Secret Testament, August 2008  -  references:
Secret Testament

Dictionary.com Premium Registration > Reference.com - Web Results for: "secret testament"
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# The Secret Gospel of Mark
In The Secret Gospel of Mark Morton Smiths discovery of a 2nd century document changes your understanding of Jesus' teaching and unravels Christianity's mysteries...
http://www.dawnhorsepress.com/products/ProductDetail_Main.asp?PID=2994

# Open Directory - Society: Religion and Spirituality: Christianity: ...
Holman Bible Dictionary: Messianic Secret - Gives several reasons why Jesus would want to keep his messiahship secret. ... The Problem of the Messianic Secret - Review of Wrede's analysis, ...
http://www.dmoz.org/Society/Religion_and_Spirituality/Christianity/Bible/References_
and_Tools/New_Testament/Gospels/Mark/Messianic_Secret/

# Assassinating Moses - Vol. 3: Debate
It is an important religious relict. Did the first Temple of Solomon also hold an ancient archive - secret documents dating back to Moses and Egypt?
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book3/moses3-debate_en.asp

Reference.com, - http://www.reference.com/search?q=secret%20testament&r=d&db=web  -  (Aug.2008)

¤ Reader's mail, 11 September 2006  -  information:
Syrian historian: Moses to be placed more back in time

A small observation I stumbled over by my reading of today's newspaper that may be helpful:
          In Berlingske Tidende (daily) in an article today (11.Sep.2006) from the series "On Muhammed" there is a paragraph describing a visit to Damascus at one of the leading Muslim historians (Damascus University), Suheil Zakkar, saying that:
          "... He is in the process of the last 3 volumes of a 95 volume great piece of work on the time of the crusaders, and then he has planned a ten-volume work on the history of Jerusalem. At the round table was a 1,100 year-old document, which referred St. Thomas and his life and the Gnostisc writings. ..."
          "... I have also got in another document ...", he said, and poked around in its stores. "... Most likely Moses should to be pushed 1,000 years further back in time. ..."

          You may already be familiar with this person and if not, he is perhaps interesting to seek out? Just for the information - and addition I want to show my respect to the many fine words you have received along for your work and achievements.

Henrik Dahlerup, maketingchef - hd@dfl-europe.dk  -  (11.Sep.2006)


Numexam

 
 
DISCUSSIONGROUPS & NEWSGROUPS, AND QUESTIONS  -  CONCERNING VOL. 2
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¤ Letter, 28 January 2003  -  Reader's Comment and Question :
The Historical Background Made Present

Mr. Ove von Spaeth. The books are the most informing, interesting, and new-creating books I have purchased in the past years: THANKS. - I am also very interested in knowing if it is possible to buy the star map?

          At the Farsoe School, I lectured on your books to the staff of teachers, and some of them immediately went to the library. Hope this will result in some purchases. My approach: I am a former teacher of religion and history (also vice-principal and guide at the History Museum of Aalborg and the Franciscan Monastery), and frequently I am in lack of - so to speak - knowledge about our old acquaintances, persons from religious as well as history.

          With regard to your impressive research, my point is that knowledge, which has been lacking, is to be added to our religion lessons by making our common religion present - and understandable - in teaching of the senior classes. This autumn I am to lecture in Hadsund city about our oldest religion history based on you as the source. Best regards,

Niels Frank, teacher of religion and history, vice-principal, Aalborg and Laessoe - niels.frank@post.tdcadsl.dk  -  (28.Jan.2003)

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::   OvS's reply.    - Many readers have found the books suitable for study groups and lectures or for relation to thematic subjects - or for writing of treatises. As the writer of the book-series I am happy being able to contribute with an extra view that you are mentioning. More information about that kind of use, see Info+FAQ.
          The text about the star map can be seen via The Senmut Star Map Decoded, where a pdf-file is available for free download and print.
          Ove von Spaeth

 

¤ Mail, 9 July 2002  -  question:
Truth behind the rumour?

I heard a reference this weekend that Moses killed a man. Can you inform me as to the truth behind this rumour. Thank you,

Mike Fash, - MWFast@aol.com  -  (9 July 2002)

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::   OvS's reply.    In the Old Testament (Exodus 2:11-15) the episode is described very briefly, and it is the impression that Moses really might have killed a man.
          But the ancient Rabbinical Writings give the expanded version in detail, and from there it is obvious that it was a set up resulting in Moses being framed. The same texts show it is uncertain whether the supposed victim was killed. But even by pretending an assassination, the intention was to get rid of Moses.This seems to have been a way for his enemies either to have him eliminated or to get him out of the country.
          One of the Fathers of Church, who was the first historian of the Church, Eusebius of Caesarea, ca. 290, writes (Evangelia Praeparatio 9:27) that there was "... a huge conspiracy by the court making attempts to kill Moses ...". In the ancient libraries and from the old rabbis, Eusebius still had access to ancient knowledge and history. - Thanks for your interest.
          Ove von Spaeth

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¤ /cpedia.com/wiki  -  spring 2010  -  references:
Senmut

From Cpedia, the automated encyclopedia
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The Astronomical Ceiling of Senmut's Tomb Whereas Emmanuel Velikovsky identified Queen Hatshepsut as the Queen of Sheba who came to visit King Solomon, internationally recognized former head of the School of Archeology at Andrew University in Berrien Springs, Michigan, Dr. Gearty, believes that a firm case can be made that Queen Hatshepsut was the foster mother of the prince apparent to the Pharaoh of Egypt, Moses. [13] The ancient temples constitute or represent "a part of the sky" placed in the terrestrial world. [14]
          The world's oldest known star map decorates the ceiling of the tomb of the vizier Senmut (Senenmut) at Luxor (Thebes) and Ove von Spaeth's analysis presents data disclosing a so far unknown level of astronomy in Egypt 3,500 years ago. [22] In his [Spaeth's] books Ove von Spaeth has also documented an exact dating of Moses a chronology supported by the information of time, which we are now able to interpret from the star map. [23]
         On this basis it became clear that the Senmut map does not present an incidental collection of planets or a copied pattern from possible predecessors. [24]
         Result and Unambiguity: the main form of the graphic arrangement of the planets on the Senmut map appears to be created in and with his [Spaeth's] idolized, but unambiguous picture of a certain configuration of planets in a certain part of the sky. [25] More indications: Mars retrogrades (a backwards movement) to the west, which in relation to the special form of arrangement of planets as at the time of Senmut, would appear only rarely. [26]
         Ove von Spaeth's discovery of the information of the contents in the Senmut star map and the untraditional observations and solution of special, difficult problems in this connection, have gained international admiration and respect In addition to the original, international publication about Senmut's star map in the " Centaurus", a special edition of the treatise with a FAQ list attached is also accessible all over the world in many important, scientific institutional libraries. [27]
1) Senenmut (Senmut), named as the architect of Hatshepsut's mortuary temple at Deir el-Bahri, as well as two burial tombs for himself. [28]

Sources (905 found)

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One in particular was a certain Senmut, who held, according to some accounts, more than eighty different official titles and who must have been her [Pharaoh Hatshepsut's] most trusted assistant.

On History The Egyptian Star Map and Moses
The temple of Queen Hatshepsut was built 3500 years ago in Deir el-Bahari west of Luxor, and Senmut, the Grand Vizier, who was also a brilliant and innovative architect, had engraved in the foundation stone a kind of horoscope for the foundation of the temple ( according to French Egyptologist Suzanne Ratie's work " La reine-pharaon", Paris 1972 ).
moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut4-history_en.asp
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Project Zenith-Spaeth - Ove von Spaeth's neworientating historical research project
The Discovery Specifically: the star map is made out by Senmut, Queen/Pharaoh Hatshepsut's vizier, during the country's 18th Dynasty, and the decoded material can be objectively tested through modern, astronomical computing.
moses-egypt.net/book-series/moses_project_en.asp
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World-axis Senmut and sky tradition
Consequently, the dating of the Senmut map might be able to establish more correctly the period of Senmut and his [Hathor's] contemporaries: Hatshepsut [Pharaoh Hatshepsut] and the Tuthmosis-kings.
moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut5-world-axis_en.asp
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ANISTORITON Viewpoints
The well-known Egyptian star map in question was worked out by Senmut, who was the vizier to queen Hatshepsut and also the calendar registrar of Egypt, during the 18th dynasty ( 16th c. BCE ).
anistor.gr/english/enback/v021.htm   - & - moses-egypt.net/bogserie/debat-fortsat-b_da.asp

Cpedia, the automated encyclopedia, - http://cpedia.com/wiki/Senmut?hit=0&source=1#ref_0   -  (spring,2010)

¤ Parallel facts about Senmut and Moses, Visdomsnettet.dk, Spring 2006  -  info:
 
Moses and Senmut - and extremely systematic and detailed research
 

Concerning the book-series ASSASSINATING MOSES, by Ove von Spaeth:
          - The Danish writer and explorer, Ove von Spaeth, has published his explorations in five volumes about Moses. The books present well-documented information which reverses the traditional conception of Moses and his life.
           Moses, was he an Egyptian and thus not a Jew? - Indeed, who was Moses really?           Ove von Spaeth's extremely systematic and detailed research discloses that the lives of Moses and Senmut, the Egyptian Architect, are surprisingly identical.

          The amount of identical events is simply overwhelming. Indications concerning identity questions are supported by Ove von Spaeth's books with their extensive collection of exact source exemplifications and actual parallel facts about the status, the positions, and the works of Senmut and Moses.
          The potential of this intelligent, creative, innovative initiator, Senmut, who was closely connected to the royal family, is in so many ways identical to many specific areas exactly according to what the Rabbinical Writings and other ancient sources inform about Moses' varied talents and actions, and thus - also according to the Bible - he had the title, "The Son of Pharaoh's Daughter".
          To see the connection between Senmut and Moses requires of course a starting point in respect of the natural scientific objective ideal as far as eliminating preconceived ideas are concerned, so that research can be done with a new view also on the displaced sources.

          The authors ability to see the connection between Senmut and Moses has of course required a starting point in respect of the natural scientific objective ideal as far as eliminating preconceived ideas are concerned, so that research can be done with a new view on the displaced sources also.

          Normally, the biblical research has so far been carried out as if Moses is only known in the biblical version. Thus hitherto in the research of this lines by and large all Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Indian, and Arab traditions, and the records of the oldest Church fathers, have mostly been restrained as disturbing elements.
          Ove von Spaeth's book-series is a genuinely good foundation for the teaching about Moses. - You can download the folder "Assassinating Moses" ("Attentatet på Moses") as a pdf-file. (For reading the file the programme Acrobat Reader should be used - in case, you can get it from www.adobe.com - and it is free).
          The material can be downloaded by clicking the pdf-file: http://www.visdomsnettet.dk/pdf/Attentatet-paa-Moses-VisdomsRejser-Esoterisk-egyptologi.pdf

Erik Ansvang, writer, lecturer, course instructor, guide for Egypt-touring - http://www.visdomsnettet.dk/a-397/  -  (Spring,2006)

 
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Reader's letter, 30 January, 2001  -  commenting questions:

Continued tradition on "parallel lives" - Senmut and Moses

Well written, but also "disturbing", said a Doctor of Divinity who reviewed the contents of Ove von Spaeth's book, "The Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter". As the book describes, it must exactly have been disturbing for ancient people to have had to be part of some of their scary rituals of antuquity, of which many apparently were continued through history almost up till present times.
          But it is also extremely exciting to "re-discover" the connected way of thinking behind this part of early culture history. When reading, the idea may even appear that perhaps a good deal of other subjects from such circumstances has not been included in the book, as certain standards of ancient way of thinking might seem too extreme to a modern public.

Asmus Koefoed, DK-2200 Copenhagen N, - asmus@svanenet.dk - (30 January, 2001)

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::   OvS's reply.   Your impression is not at all wrong - you may even have found out how it is, e.g. in Chapter 13 of the book; originally I had written an excursus about a similar subject, but  some lack of space made it easier to sacrifice this text. However, you will find it on this link: 
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/ovs_related-articles-b_en.asp#1
          - and I want to emphasize that the text is actually based on exact facts to which perspectives appear from the connection, some of which by nature may be hypothetical. However, the connection, which is there, is extremely interesting.
          Also in all other parts of the book examples demonstrate that certain traces of forgotten or neglected ancient traditions may still exist in later history and all the way up till modern times.
          Ove von Spaeth

¤ Discussion groups, Shirley MacLaine.com, 27 June 2006  -  reference: 
Senmut and Moses

          "... Hi Osiris - look at this link http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut-files_survey_en.asp  from Ove von Spaeth - a very, very close friend of mine - look at his webpage and the starmap ... It is amazing so much you know about all this. Tomorrow I will write you something - your way is so different ...".

Ulla, (Ulla Runchel, Join Date: Mar 2005. - Ulla Runchel's own homepage: http://www.forvandlingskuglen.webbyen.dk ) - Shirley MacLaine.com - #51 - Location: u. - Posts: 815 -  http://www.shirleymaclaine.com/encounter/showthread.php?p=696016#post696016  -  06-27-2006,  02:44 PM  -  (27.Jun.2006)

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          "... Yes, Ulla... It is from this web-site that I was able to get the details from this same star-map that I posted earlier (05-19-2006, 04:46 PM - #17) in this thread! ...".

Michael, The Valkyrie (Join Date: July 2002)  Shirley MacLaine.com - #52 - Location: D - Posts: 2,771 - http://www.shirleymaclaine.com/encounter/showthread.php?t=201811&page=6&pp=10  -  06-27-2006,  04:55 PM  -  (27.Jun.2006)

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          "... Hi Osiris. This link is specially for you ... so you can see what he (Ove von Spaeth) has updated - synchron again, again; - he has written 5 books on Moses, master-pieces:  http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut4-history_en.asp  ...".

Ulla, (Ulla Runchel, Join Date: Mar 2005) - Shirley MacLaine.com - #55 - Location: u. - Posts: 820 -  http://www.shirleymaclaine.com/encounter/showthread.php?p=696370#post696370  -  06-30-2006,  04:29 AM   -  (30.Jun.2006)

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          "... Thank You For This, Ulla! This link for Ove von Spaeth is Excellent! - Senmut was Hatshepsut's Vizier. He was possessed of Great Knowledge and Power. Unfortunately he was bereft of Wisdom. The Star Maps in his tomb, and all temple constructions he involved himself with were all designed to insure his place in Eternity. ..."

Michael, The Valkyrie (Join Date: July 2002) Shirley MacLaine.com - #56 - Location: D - Posts:  2,817 - http://www.shirleymaclaine.com/encounter/showthread.php?p=696370#post696370 -  06-30-2006,  10:39 AM   -  (30.Jun.2006)


(Editor's note: Ulla Runchel is the author of "The Crystal Universe", (2003), - Universal Growth Publishing, Phoenix, Arizona)

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¤ Letter, 22 March 2002  -  questioning:
What signifies the direction of the temple-axis?

The published books of the series "Assassinating Moses" were an exiting experience - on which I want to express my thanks. Many new and strange things of the contents you can follow with a great interest and being truely amazed.
          In this connection I would be glad to find an answer concerning Vol. 2, "The Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter".  This book is mentioning a (surveying-)line of sight from the centre axis of the Great Temple of Karnak (Luxor) crossing the the Nile, following several kilometres and uniting with the centre axis of Hatshepsut's temple at the mountain in front of the Kings' Valley. Is there any knowledge about this line to be ascribed to a special meaning?

Ole Henningsen, Hojrebyvej 59, 4920 Sollested, - oleh@post1.tele.dk  -  (22.Mar.2002)

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::   OvS's reply.    The special axis is hardly common knowledge. I have made it pictured on a map in my book - Vol. 2, page 64. And the interesting background conditions concerning the sky, sun, moon, and stars relating to its direction I have especially explained on one of the present web-site's pages concerning the Senmut Star Map, the page: "On History" section 4.
          Ove von Spaeth

¤ Factbites.com, permanent text of 24 November 2006  -  data mining :
Moses in the von Spaeth analysis - and Hatshepsut

Factbites.com - http://www.factbites.com/topics/1487-BC. -Topic: 1487BC on Moses 
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Assassinating Moses, Vol. 1: Reviews
-        Moses was not a Hebrew, he was Egyptian, probably his name was Tuth-mosis, and he was the genuine child of Hatshepsut, the daughter of the former pharaoh, and he was the heir to the throne in the vast Egyptian kingdom.
-        Lepsius claimed that Moses was contemporary with Pharaoh Ramses II around 1500 B.C. However, when it was later discovered that Ramses II was probably living in 1200, the dating of Moses was also removed to 1200, because in the meantime the anticipation of the time of the two persons being the same had become evident.
-        1509-1487 B.C. This person, "the daughter of Pharaoh" is in the von Spaeth analysis being the mother of Moses and, thus, not his adoptive mother, as the Old Testament is suggesting.
www.moses-egypt.net/book1/moses1-reviews_en.asp   (5094 words)

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¤ Readers' mail, 14 March 2008  -  informative comment : 
I, too, suggested Senenmut as being a candidate for Moses

I find Ove von Spaeth's observations very interesting, although I'm not well-versed in astronomy.
In my own book, "The Exodus Chronicles: Beliefs, Legends & Rumors from Antiquity Regarding the Exodus of the Jews from Egypt", (2003), I, too, suggested Senenmut as being a candidate for Moses. This was based on the theory of "a very important man who disappears and was not buried in either of his tombs".
          But now I am no longer so sure that Senenmut did disappear from Egypt, that he was not buried and that his mummy hasn't been found. All of this I discuss here:
http://www.geocities.com/scribelist/Senenmut.html
          In brief, is it possible to ascertain if a certain mummy is the son of Rahotep and Hat nofret, the parents of Senenmut. Theoretically--yes.

Marianne Luban, writer, - mluban@netzero.... - sent via "Authordata-2 - scientific achievements by Ove von Spaeth" - (14.Mar.2008)

Marianne Luban is the author of "The Pharaoh's Barber", Pacific Moon Publications, 2008 - www.amazon.com/Pharaohs-Barber-Marianne-Luban/dp/0972952411 - also, Marianne Luban: "The Exodus Chronicles: Beliefs, Legends & Rumors from Antiquity Regarding the Exodus of the Jews from Egypt", Pacific Moon Publications, 2003 - www.amazon.com/Exodus-Chronicles-Beliefs-Antiquity-Regarding/dp/0972952403


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NOTE from webmaster, moses-egypt.net: see Ove von Spaeth's replying data-info  below, in following text: "Senmut was a victim to the greatest major eradication ...".

¤ Excerpt of "Assassinating Moses" vol. 2, - 14 March 2008  - a key to historical riddle : 
Senmut was a victim to the greatest major eradication
By  OVE VON SPAETH, author, researcher


Senmut (Senenmut) was a victim to the greatest major eradication of a name in all history of Egypt.

Earlier in his life, when being the Grand Vizier to the king (who was Queen/Pharaoh Hatshepsut), Senmut soon held more than 20 of the superior offices in Egypt and at least 80 titles.
          To have many titles was not unknown - however, the majority of Senmut's titles were not to embellish but because his capacity was immense - so besides being the Grand Vizier he was the country's main architect and constructor, Minister of Foreign Affairs, chief of the calendar and astronomical observations, etc. Later - after his mysterious disappearance - his numerous posts close to the king had to be divided into many viziers' offices.
          Senmut disappeared - in the same year as of Moses' flight, 1494 BC - and the new Pharaoh Tuthmosis III took the power from Hatshepsut by a historical coup and gradually destroyed most of Senmut's statues and inscriptions. It reveals the intention that all important memories of Senmut's (Moses') identity were to be deleted. He had been eliminated as the Pharaoh-to-be - he was not to be known by present or by future.

Destruction would not have taken place if Senmut/Moses had not been of royal descent
The impression was to be that he had not existed at all. So, all over Egypt, Senmut's (Moses') name was deleted during countrywide damnation memoriae, to a total extent never seen before!
          Senmut's names and works were subject to a collective, deliberate, comprehensive destruction. It was the most extensive eradiation of names in all history of Egypt! Although headed by Pharaoh himself (Tuthmosis III) and his staff this extensive destruction would obviously not have caught so much attention and effort if Senmut/Moses had not been of royal descent and initiated as heir to the throne.
          Destruction of the Senmut name inscriptions and statues meant real eradication. This was an extra way to destroy his existence reaching much further than his earthly life, i.e. the feared "second death", when all memories have vanished.
          In Hatshepsut's Deir el-Bahari temple Senmut's name was deleted in 66 of the "hidden" wainscots.
          All over Egypt, in Nubia, and even at Sinai, Tuthmosis III's helpers erased the Senmut name of most of Senmut's statues, portraits, and inscriptions.
No doubt that this important figure had escaped - so much trouble would not have taken place if he had been a deceased and/or had been thoroughly mummified.

Senmut's profile has the outlines of the Tuthmosis family
The one of the pictures with Senmut painted on the wall of his second tomb has apparently been destroyed, but mainly the cheek and the chin as if the goal was to remove the distinguished royal beard. And in this case it was an important part to destroy.
          Some graffitis are showing Senmut with dimples or double chin stripes added - it was a common symbol of wealth - Senmut in his prime. So, these were not portraits and cannot be used for comparison with mummies with dimples etc.
          Re-use of the few spared portraits have been easily established by the new ruler - cf. W. Stevenson Smith in his "The Art and Architecture of Ancient Egypt" (New Haven 1981, p. 226) making precise statements on their looks, "... Senmut's profile has the outlines of the Tuthmosis family. ..."
          This supports the total impression of Senmut as Hatshepsut's son, because his looks resembled very much that of other members of the royal family. And the changes of the pictures of Senmut in Hatshepsut's so-called red chapel (at the great temple in Karnak) are so revealing that this fact may have contributed to cause the demolition of the chapel soon after.

The image manipulation
Only pictures precisely showing Senmut were damaged by the iconoclastic riot. In order to be sure to win, Senmut "backed two horses" by being portrayed both as the partly neutral crown prince and as Senmut - and yet he lost. The fact that a few of his names were not deleted meant that in Duat, the underworld, he was granted at that place a tiny chance of existence instead of a complete eradication.
          A grown-up, young man dressed in a princely and even pharaonic ornate is depicted in the Deir el-Bahari temple, in a scene showing Hatshepsut's expedition to Punt. This cannot be the person who later became Tuthmosis III, because he was only a minor, a little child, at the time of this expedition, which he has never been associated with, whereas Senmut was its organizer.
          Another relief in this Hatshepsut temple shows - incompletely - a young royal couple (often the Crown Princess Neferure is suggested as being one of them - and also she disappeared suddenly from the scene), where the young man cannot be the later Tuthmosis III due to his very young age. However, the motive may very well show Senmut/Moses as a pharaonic prince.
          Thus, the tactics of Tuthmosis III could have been to spare the relief and let it suggest that he was the person depicted as the crown prince. Compare the principle corresponding to that of Tuthmosis III's when he transformed Hatshepsut's years of reign to his own years of reign - only to create an official pre-history as a crown prince. In fact, most of his young years he spent as priest at a temple in the north at the Nile delta, according to his earliest autobiographical inscriptions.

Ove von Spaeth, writer, researcher - the Zenith Project, - topical: www.moses-egypt.net/book2/moses2-inform_en.asp, copyright © 2000 - (&: March,2006)

The above information is from Ove von Spaeth's meticulous archaeological and textual documentation in his book, "The Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter" - on Moses' Identity and Mystery Re-evaluated - vol.2 of the series "Assassinating Moses"


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NOTE, further data on the subject is given by the author Ove von Spaeth in the following message (The Disappeared Traces - Rediscovered) below.

¤ On the similarities concerning Senmut and Moses, March 2008  -  research:
The Disappeared Traces - Rediscovered
By  OVE VON SPAETH

Many people have looked for clues concerning the similarities concerning Senmut and Moses - cf. also data in the answer to Marianne Luban in above mail. - From the book by Ove von Spaeth, "The Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter", some of the results in short form can be seen here:

When Senmut disappeared, many of his traces were destructed. - Correspondingly the Egyptian traces of Moses seem to disappear, although he had a high-ranking status and therefore almost inevitably must have left some traces behind, e.g. in inscriptions, graves, etc.
          The astonishing similarity, summing up the very many special circumstances, available from many sources - recognizable and equally important for both Senmut and Moses, the following is possible to re-establish concerning Senmut-Moses. More than 30 very personal and specific circumstances identical with Senmut and Moses - in closest detail - are concrete facts:
          a)  When - simultaneously in the same country at the same court, two so similar persons with the same unusual positions and extraordinary expertise were in existence - they appear not as different persons, but persons of one and same identity.
          b)  Both "Senmut, the favourite of the Daughter of Pharaoh" and "Moses, the favourite of Pharaoh's Daughter", disappeared suddenly from Egypt - and left behind the same kind of high-ranking posts within exactly the same time, even the same year, in Egyptian history. They have particular identical fates going as far as specific personal details; and the Senmut name might have been just one of many Egyptian names of young Moses, as he as a high-status person had many names - many of these mentioned in the Rabbinical Writings.
          c)  Young Moses was - according to the Rabbinical Writings - leading a military expeditions into Nubia (Sudan) - and the young Senmut did the same.
          d)  Moses had great knowledge about the stars and established the Hebrew calendar - and Senmut was Egypt's calendar chief and showed his astronomical knowledge by his unique star map.
          e)  But especially this: would Senmut in his tomb show recording of the stars' positions in the sky at a special time, a moment identical with the episode of Moses in the ark on the River Nile, if he was not Moses?
          f)  Traditionally a queen could rule on behalf of her son, but not - as claimed about Hatshepsut - on behalf of a nephew. This example is one of many showing that the nephew, the later Tuthmosis III, was not originally educated or chosen to become Pharaoh.
          g)  On the Royal Titles:  it is a known fact in Egyptology that the designation "Pharaoh's Daughter" (Egyptian: sat nisut) was a title given only to crown princesses, who also kept it when they became queen - and many inscriptions show Hatshepsut having this, also from the Bible well-known, title.
          h)  In ancient Egypt a Crown Prince or Crown Princess would always have - as Hatshepsut in fact had - the title bjtj (bithia) of the representative rulership to Lower Egypt. In the Rabbinical Writings the Pharaoh's Daugther in question is called by the name Bithia which, surprisingly, in Hebrew means "God's Daughter" - again, in fact, being one of Hatshepsut's important titles.
          i)  Senmut's name means 'the mother's brother' which is no peculiar name if, as in this case, it is a royal title. - Correspondingly or parallel to this, the Bible mentions Moses as son of "the father's sister". This title can be seen connected to the fact that Hatshepsut was her father's (Tuthmosis I) royal co-ruler, the way a queen often was. And this status was described as his (Pharaoh's) "sister".
          j)  Senmut's (foster)mother was an employee, a wet-nurse at the pharaonic court - and in the Bible Moses was partly brought up also by a wet-nurse, in the abbreviated biblical account confused with his mother's name, Jochebed, which was another of Hatshepsut's titles, meaning 'Queen of Heaven', often used when Hatshepsut represented the goddess Isis.
          ... etc., etc. .....

Ove von Spaeth, writer, researcher - the Zenith Project, - topical:  www.moses-egypt.net/book2/moses2-inform_en.asp,  copyright © 2000  -  (March,2008)

The above information is from Ove von Spaeth's meticulous archaeological and textual documentation in his book, "The Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter" - on: Moses' Identity and Mystery Re-evaluated - vol.2 of the series "Assassinating Moses"

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¤ VisdomsNettet.dk - Spring 2002  -  reference : 
The enigma of Moses' real fate

Visdomsnettet.dk - The enigma about the real fate of Moses as the Great Initiated - http://www.visdomsnettet.dk/a-397/
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Moses - the great inaugurated. Read about Ove von Spaeth's exploration of the ancient Rabbinical Writings and the writers of Antiquity revealing Moses' later hidden role as Prince of Egypt - and the documents even mention his insight in magic and stellar world.

          Moses was a historical figure? Or was he a mythical figure? New and thorough research on Moses reveals a very different and well-documented reality in ancient Egypt. Moses was Egyptian, he was also named Tutmosis and another one of the names was Senmut.
          Who was Moses? - Not least, one question in particular appears - what have Senmut and Moses to do with one another?

          The mysterious Senmut:  It happened around 3,500 years ago. The place was Egypt which was then being ruled by the female Pharaoh Hatshepsut. And the main character was the mysterious master builder and sgrand vezire Senmut whose life have always been a mystery to Egyptologists. Senmut became known in history due to his architectural masterpiece - Hatshepsut's temple at the West Bank of Thebes (Luxor) and his genious star map.
          New and thorough research in this field reveals a very different and well-documented reality in Egypt of this ancient era. It has been carried out by Danish researcher Ove von Spaeth, presenting convincing conclusions with solid basis in historical and astronomical studies combined with many years of intensive studies in archeology, anthropology, ancient languages, religions, history, and the Egyptian traditions and mystery teachings and mythology.

          Ove von Spaeth's incredible systematic and detailed research reveals that Senmut, the vezire of Pharaoh's Daughter, and Moses, Moses, the Son of Pharaoh's Daughter, are surprisingly alike in their lives. The amount of overlap of events is simply overwhelming.
          Evidence of the identity issue is reinforced by his extensive collection of books with specific sources on parallel facts about the status, offices and works both of Senmut and Moses. The potential of the intelligent, creative, developing and entrepreneurial Senmut who were closely associated with the royal family, fits in many specific areas precisely to what the Rabbinical scriptures and other ancient sources tell about Moses' many talents and deeds while he, according to the Bible, bore the title "Son of Pharaoh's Daughter".

          To be able to see the connection between Moses and Senmut it is of course required that you try to respect the scientific ideal of objectivity as far as to disregard preconceived ideas and to research with a new view also at the formerly ignored sources. Normally, it is often seen that research is carried out as if Moses is known in biblical texts only.
          Thus in the current research almost all Egyptian, Greek, Roman, Indian and Arab handed down sources and the records by the earliest Fathers of Church are kept away as disturbing elements. In this article it is obviously not possible to present the overwhelming amount of data that can documentate the new theories, but they are accessible to everybody in Ove von Spaeths book-series.
          Ove von Spaeth's so systematic research is a cornucopia of enlightening information about the life and deed of Senmuts/Moses and is transferred to us in a vivid language. An attempt to reproduce the colorful life of Moses as a prince going through a pharaonic educating will hardly be an easy task. The volumen does not allow this. But it was indeed a period when the power and influence of the priesthood grew and challenged the pharaoh's power. It placed Crown Prince Senmut/Moses in the center of the event.

Erik Ansvang, writer, lecturer, course instructor, guide for Egypt-touring -  VisdomsNettet  -  http://www.visdomsnettet.dk/a-397/  -  (Spring,2002)

¤ Discussion groups, Faith Freedom International, Faith Freedom Org, Malaysian Issue, 09 July 2003  - opinion: 
So far, no proof that Moses did not exist

Background in Discussion:   "... The character of Moses and the story of the flight out of Egypt are now considered by most scholars to have been elaborated during the Jews' exile in Mesopotamia. Ditto for the Tablets of the Law, the idea of which also probably originated in Mesopotamia where royal laws were promulgated on clay tablets. Unless you of course do have (independent) sources showing that Moses existed. ..." 
     Menj
, (Joined: 05 Jan 2003 - Location: Paris, France) Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 4:16 am

Just because there is no proof at the moment does not mean that Moses did not exist. Here is an interesting link:  http://www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/moses-survey_en.asp

ohmyru, Faith Freedom Org, Faith Freedom International, Malaysian Issue ... http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum2/viewtopic.php?t=5401&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=66&sid=83685ed8114be49650e4d6763f971e54 - bob - Joined: 19 Jun 2002, Posts: 625, Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003  6:10 am  - (9.Jul.2003)



 
 
3  MANIFESTATIONS ON THE VOL. 2's APPENDIX, 'DATING THE OLDEST EGYPTIAN STAR MAP'
- evt. praktisk at kunne læse teksten off-line

All the following texts - of this page's Section 3 - concern Ove von Spaeth's treatise on "Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map", which is, furthermore, included (in a version for non-specialists) in the Appendix of his book "The Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter" (Vol. 2 of the series "Assassinating Moses").
          An extern edition of the treatise is placed here:  The Senmut Star Map Decoded.

 

¤ Anistoriton Journal of History, Archaeology & ArtHistory, 7 March 2002  -  from article:
An Egyptian Star-map

The 3,500 year old star-map which decorates one of the ceilings in the tomb of the great Senmut (or Senenmut) near Luxor (Thebes), apparently demonstrates a previously unknown aspect of the astronomical situation in Egypt around 1,500 BC. This revelation is the result of investigations, the full report of which was published in the International Journal of the History of Science, Centaurus (Ove von Spaeth, "Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map," vol. 42:3 (2000) : 159-179).

          The study concludes as follows: The Senmut map depicts an exceptional event in the sky. This seems to have produced a prototype for all later pictures of similar celestial events - but with one exception: In the first depiction, in the time of Senmut, Mars is retrograde in the west when the other planets assemble around Sirius in the east.

          So far has been demonstrated:  1)  The Senmut maps contain a cosmological and astro-mythological expression not only as decoration - as hitherto assumed - but also as a picture of a particular and unique situation in the sky. -  2)  This configuration of the sky can be exactly dated: 1534 BC.

          In addition the star maps may contribute to a better dating of their creator Senmut and also of the contemporary Egyptian pharaohs - at least accurate to within a decade. - Author's Web Page:  www.moses-egypt.net

D.I. Loizos, Professor in History, Editor-in-Chief, - Anistoriton Journal of History, Archaeology, & ArtHistory, Vol. 6/2002 (ISSN 1108-4081), - Anistoriton History Library, Athens, Greece - www.anistor.co.hol.gr/english/enback/v021.htm -  & http://users.hol.gr/~ianlos/v021.htm  & http://users.hol.gr/~dilos/anistor/vpoints/v021.htm  -  (7 March 2002)

¤ KMT, Modern Journal of Ancient Egypt, (Vol.11, No.4, p.10)  Winter 2000-2001  -  review note:
The astronomical ceiling

"For the Record" (ed. David Moyer, New York), on Publications:
          - A lengthy illustrated article titled "Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map" by Ove von Spaeth (concerning the astronomical ceiling of the Deir el Bahari tomb of Hatshepsut's minion, Senenmut) has been published in Centaurus: The International magazine of Mathematics, Science, and Technology (Vol. 42, No. 3, 2000, Munksgaard, Copenhagen).

David Moyer, ed., - KMT Modern Journal of Ancient Egypt, Vol.11, No.4, p.10  -  (Winter 2000-2001)

¤ EVC Forum, Creation Versus Evolution, mssg 85 & 93, - 12.Mar.2002  -  discussion:
This paper was informative

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-- concerning  Message 85 of 113 (23057). 03-11-2002 06:01 PM, by TrueCreation  - Creation Versus Evolution Forum, Posts: 1708, From: Riverview, FL, USA, -
here is the reply by quicksink:

quote (from your words):
here is another link to another site regarding eclipses and dating of ancient civilizations:
http://www.nyu.edu/classes/wright/spring97/chron.htm
"I love this typical delaying tactic - pretend to be interested in something that completely demolishes your argument - but since you asked… :
http://www.skepticfiles.org/evolut/answered.htm
an excellent site that addresses this and many other issues. Do a search on google as well.
There's another that does not touch the issue of creationism versus evolution":
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2-faq_en.asp

--The first one was unable to load, it seems the link is wrong, though the second link I can comment on. It does not have any dispute and is evident by its own words that it does not conflict with the date of the flood in any of these quotes where it mentions a date:

q (from moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2):
and even for a fair dating of one of the oldest Chinese records of an eclipse (1050 BC). Stephenson's "Historical Eclipses" is p.t. one of the best publications in this field, but still it must be borne in mind that the Senmut star map is 500-800 years further back in time.

--Looks like I have no problem with the Chinese records as of yet either.

q (from moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2):
Furthermore, one of the oldest known Egyptian presentations of a planetary position, places Jupiter close to the decan (celestial sector of 10-degrees) of Sirius. This dates back some 4200 years, and is recorded on a fragment of a starclock-diagram depicted inside a coffin-lid (on Heny's coffin) - one of the traditional methods of recording.

q (from moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2):
A thousand years before the time of Senmut, the astronomer-priests were developing such skills by constant observation of the firmament, which necessitated the keeping of accurate records, especially with regard to calculating celestial positions and cyclic phenomena.

q (from moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2):
The observation that the Senmut-map presents a concrete celestial conjunction 1534 BC seems to be supported by the subsequent maps in the following centuries demonstrating that these conditions are reflected here, too.

q (from moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2):
Concerning the above mentioned tms n hntt on the Senmut star map - cf. the treatise's paragraph 3 - the following note may be added: The early existence of several variants of this expression is well known, e.g. tms n hnt and tms n hnty etc., several of which go back to the star clock diagrams belonging to the early coffin groups (ca. 2,200 BC). However, the precise combination in our case, tms n hntt , seems to be found on the Senmut star map for the first time.

q (from moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2):
Given that there is no safe way of extrapolating so far back in time, it would of course be risky to give the exact hour of an eclipse 3,500 years ago, as has been the case in the paper discussed. (It was intended to serve as an additional illustration of how precise the information of the Senmut map might be). As stated above, it is of no significance for the basic dating of this star map. In any case, the general positions in the sky for the Sun, Moon, and all the planets are correct and unambiguous.

--Nothing in this paper challenges the date of the flood, but actually, as I said earlier, it was an interesting read and was informative, not to mention appealing to the dating of the Flood. [/quote]
y'know what - I was wrong… I was misinformed. Sorry.

quote (from your words):
"I have, and I do not understand how this could support the flood model…"
--See my quote on this in this post. If you have any comments or think that there is anything that exists in the record you can challenge it. It is a perfect supportation of the Flood model.

--please elaborate.

quote (from your words):
"absolutely. But when you have two theories side-by-side, the one that explains the facts the most consistently using the least amount of unnatural phenomena and speculation wins the battle for the hearts of the scientist."

--(Creationism it is!).

quicksink, - Message 93 of 113 (23064) - 03-12-2002 05:07 AM
http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=12&t=37&m=97  -  (12.Mar.2002)

Sidetop
¤ Letter, 22 October, 2001 - comments:
Very interested in your discovery

          I am very interested in your discovery of the Jupiter and Saturn conjunction compared to Sirius of the Egyptian Senmut's star map of 1534 B.C. In the same year also a Jupiter-Saturn conjunction took place. I see no connection between the Egyptian and the Babylonian ancient astronomy (not before circa 400 B.C.), they worked with two different reference systems. I do not know the Egyptian hieroglyphs, but I would like to find the Egyptian interpretation or "symbolic idea" of the two conjunctions mentioned.
          I wish you a continued success with your research work.

Gustav Teres SJ, Bibel Exegetician lic.art., and Astronomer lic.scient.,
Oslo, Norway  -  &  -  Vatican Observatory, Castel Gandolfo  -  (22.Oct.2001)

¤ History of Astronomy Discussion Group, internet, 20-21 January 2002  -  debate:
I would not be surprised if ...

          "... I would not be surprised if the author has indeed misread passages of the Senmut ceiling ...".
          "... it becomes evident that the redating of the Senmut ceiling star map is only one episode in a larger project of redating the whole chronology of the New Kingdom Period of Egypt that the author plans to publish in a 5-volume study on the life and times of Moses. ... As the author believes that the Pharaoh's daughter who raised Moses was the future Queen Hatshepsut, then all historical dates linked to Hatshepsut and other 18th Dynasty rulers would have to be shifted backwards in time to make them correspond with his Moses chronology ...".

Robert H. van Gent, DrSn., - Faculty of Physics and Astronomy, Utrecht University, - History of Astronomy Discussion Group, - http://wvnvm.wvnet.edu/htbin/listarch?hastro-l&a:scmcc.archives - Message No.165 & No.179  -  (20-21 January 2002)

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NOTE (web ed.):  See, below, Ove von Spaeth's commments to Conman and van Gelder.

¤ History of Astronomy Discussion Group, internet, 21 January 2002  -  debate:
No support to historical existence of Moses

          "... It seems that Ove von Spaeth found a star alignment he liked to fit his Moses theory and simply superimposed it on Senmut's ceiling. ...It seems to have been assumed that all these ceilings are meant to be photographic representations of the sky, possibly stylized, possibly erroneous, but essentially "astronomical" charts. I find this assumption to be inconsistent with the ancient Egyptian culture ...".
          "... What you choose to believe as a matter of faith is one thing, but there is absolutely no evidence to support the historical existence of Moses. There have been dozens of candidates suggested ranging over a period of time of several hundred years. There is no archaeological evidence to support the Biblical story of Exodus ...".

Joanne Conman, Maine, - History of Astronomy Discussion Group, - http://wvnvm.wvnet.edu/htbin/listarch?hastro-l&a:scmcc.archives - Message No.183 & No.187  -  (21 January 2002)

¤  

::   OvS's Comments.  -  Debate and criticism are indispensable to science and research. Acknowledgements from esteemed scientists, scholars, and other experts have been productive in the actual case, indeed. However, the invaluable asset of criticism can be misdirected by incorrect quotations from the paper under discussion, and even by "references" to alleged statements, which were never made in the paper. But once entered into the debate, such tend to remain in circulation.

          The two contributions, above - from Conman and van Gent - are from an international Newsgroup for the History of Astronomy and joining the discussions on the internet among researchers, scholars, and scientists concerning Ove von Spaeth's scientific treatise on dating the world's oldest star map. About 25 different letters relating this matter were distributed world wide to all members of the group during the first months of 2002. - Unfortunately, solely based on accounts and comments the two contributors' remarks also contain serious misunderstandings. Just stating their opinions: they 'think', and 'suppose', and 'assume' - but show no concrete facts and data.
          Besides from appearing not to be too well informed or experienced on the special points in this special case, they pronounce their verdict in absentia  having never proven nor documented any error in the paper in question - and yet their newsgroup-talk later has been incompetently referred to as if the opinions here were a real "source". In their own letters on the net Conman and van Gent admit neglecting to consult the primary source, i.e. they had never read the original text/treatise.

          Xerox copies of the treatise can be requested from library article-bases: The reference-No. is ISSN 0008-8994, "Centaurus International Magazine of the History of Mathematics, Science, and Technology", Vol. 42;3, 2000, pp. 159-179. - Or the treatise may be downloaded at the web page: The Senmut Star Map Decoded .

          Furthermore, some of the sceptics (not quoted here) wish to present a somewhat different result (concerning a solar eclipse) based on calculations from certain formulae - e.g. in "The Nautical Almanac", or PC astronomy-programmes - but without knowing the existence of alternative formulae: differences of these formulae are due to hitherto unsolved problems concerning the Delta-T factors.
          Besides, in the treatise the eclipse is of no significance as regards the basic dating of this star map. - (A further criticism cites the impossibility of a "total solar eclipse", in spite of the fact that the treatise does not mention a total eclipse).
          Some of the critics are concerned with alleged Egyptology problems which are non-existent - and they ignore that the treatise's star map contains identifications which previously have been recognized, especially in Neugebauer & Parker's authoritative work "Egyptian Astronomical Texts, I-III".

          A problem appear to occur because some of the critics openly substitute their own opinions and considerations for concrete facts and data. - Furthermore, they forget that the treatise on Senmut's Star Map is published in the esteemed "Centaurus International Magazine of the History of Mathematics, Science, and Technology". Prior to publication in this journal, as required, the treatise has been peer-reviewed by experts. - The same rules and principles apply to "Aristoriton Journal of History, Archaeology and ArtHistory", which published parts of the treatise. Here too, it was peer-reviewed by specialists in the relevant fields and/or topics and, further, by the Editorial Board.

          In addition, authorities on the history of astronomy and Egyptology: - Professor Owen Gingerich, Harvard-Smithsonian Institute, - Dr. Sir Patrick Moore, astronomer, BBC Science Editor, - and Professor Dr. Erik Hornung, Basel Universität, - all with a special knowledge and long-term interest concerning the Senmut star map, have acknowledged - independently and voluntarily - the star map dating project and the value of what it suggests. And no sceptics have proved any calculation wrong concerning the general positions in the sky for the Sun, Moon, and the planets - they are all correct and unambiguous.

          In any case, extensive answers are presented on:  FAQ: Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map .
          Ove von Spaeth

Sidetop
¤ Concerning Russian discussion about the Senmut star map, 9 January, 2003  -  comment:
Dispersion margin and interesting clarifications

Background:  A treatise by Ove von Spaeth - documenting an exact dating of the oldest Egyptian star chart - and by BBC's Science editor, the British astronomer Dr Sir Patrick Moore, being described as a "major advance".
          The treatise was published in the "Centaurus International Magazine of the History of Mathematics, Science and Technology" (Vol. 42:3, July-August 2000, pp. 159-179). In addition, it is - in an easy to read form - separately presented (by permission) as an Appendix in Ove von Spaeth's work, in the Volume 2: "The Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter".
          The finding in question has been considered, by some experts, as controversial - and very often from those sides it have not been discussed in a proper scientific manner.
          Circumstances concerning these attitudes are now
being commented upon by Mathematician and Philosopher Jurij Moskvitin:

- This is for your information. The so far positive, interested statements at Russian websites regarding your thesis on the astronomic dating of Senmut's star chart have now received an unusual comment. At that other Russian website the following is stated - by these words, according to my hasty translation of Dimitri Guschev's original Russian text:

- by Dimitrij Guschev:
( http://hbar.phys.msu.su/gorm/wwwboard/messages47/17702.html ) - 2 October 2002:
          "... Датировка старейшей египетской звездной карты ..." etc., - i.e. "...it (Ove von Spaeth's paper) was also examined in the light of the history of astronomy. The author, like Fomenko, attacking the problem by having only a faint understanding of the symbolism in the Egyptian astronomy, as well as the author entertains his own particular ideas about "correct chronology". Besides, it shows too that the author lies concerning the astronomical calculations of the planets.
          As regards what may be said of the predictions of 3500 years old eclipses - almost anything may be said. Errors in the exact determination of some certain DT for that time would amount to some two-three hours, which does not permit to determine whether the eclipse at the given region was a full one.
          The nearest more or less successful determination of an eclipse which we may take for granted took place 500 years later. And so it turns out that the suggested eclipses have not been visible in Egypt - in spite of the most clever attempts of narrowing the fluctuations of DT. (A correction of 12 hours would be needed) ...".

There is nothing to be done about the fact that Dimitri Guschev has not taken into consideration the reservations you yourself point out regarding the accuracy of the astronomic calculations. And that he is missing a point somehow. Otherwise the precise reservations would have provided sufficient grounds for wringing the neck of that Guschev case (Guschev in Russian means "Mr Goose").
          The reason why he takes such a pessimistic approach is incomprehensible, but perhaps it is because you did not with sufficient deference contact him as being the great expert that he - according to his text about Egyptian astronomic symbolism - believes himself to be. When considering the existence of an original star chart that indicates the occurrence of a solar eclipse 3500 years ago, one should be allowed to focus one's attention on the closest - chronologically and geographically - solar eclipse that actually occurred. Why else would the indication of a solar eclipse be inserted into a star chart?
          The thesis on Senmut's star chart has raised an interesting discussion. In terms of antedating or 'dating-back' - since childhood we've been believing in the infallibility of astronomic professionals, and then along comes Ove von Spaeth who reminds us of there is an enormous dispersion margin over a period of just 3500 years. You have engendered quite a row among astronomers.
          If nothing else, your work will lead to some interesting clarifications - which is more than most books have managed to achieve.

Jurij Moskvitin, Philosopher, Mathematician, Writer, - c/o Gomide, Rua Voluntarios da Patria 166, apt.1302, 22270-010 Rio de Janeiro, Botafogo, Brazil  -  (9.jan.2003)

¤ distribution-moraff.com  -  8 March 2002  -  comment:
They like to show off

          I hope my link to the Astro-Discussion - did you good.  Don't worry about those people - they like to show off more than we do - and they know far less <smile>. They will glue you to arguments back and forth - that will waste your time and later you will say "What a waste of my time when I could have worked on my books!"
          As with all significant books, your book is bound to have a few errors - publish it anyway.

Ray Kaliss,  - www.enneadofmoses.com  (Enead of Moses) -  Sent: 08-03-2002 16:06  - distribution@moraff...  - (8.Mar.2002).

¤ Historical Astronomy Division of The American Astronomical Society  -  February 2001:
American Astronomical Society

Historical Astronomy Division of the American Astronomical Society. Topics relating to the historical nature of astronomy - History is broadly interpreted to include traditional history of astronomy, archaeoastronomy, and the application of historical records to modern astrophysical problems.
          - ...Recent publications relating to the history of astronomy, bibliographies prepared by Ruth S. Freitag of the Library of Congress, February 2001: - Articles, Including Essays in Books and Papers in Proceedings:  Spaeth, Ove von.  Dating the oldest Egyptian star map. Centaurus, v. 42, no. 3, 2000: 159-179. illus.  

Historical Astronomy Division of the American Astronomical Society, Washington DC  -  &  Louisiana State University, Department of Physics and Astronomy,  -  http://www.aas.org/~had/biblio.html & http://www.aas.org/~had/ASTRO22.html

¤ Russian web site: - (188.) /!\  gorm: Датировка египетского гороскопа не по Фоменко  -  09 Февраля 2001
Вопросы хронологии

В свежем номере журнала по истории науки Centaurus 2000, vol. 42, pp. 159-179. Опубликована статья Ove von Spaeth, "Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map".

Привожу начало:
          "The earliest known maps in Egypt are found as a main part of the decor in a tomb (No. TT 353) at Thebes on the West bank of the Nile. The tomb was constructed during the first half of the Egyptian 18 dynasty, probably about 1490 BC, and it belonged to Queen Hatshepsut's vizier and calendar registrar Senmut (or Senenmut).
          The Senmut maps, Fig.1, are almost 4 meters long. They are found on the southern and nothern panels of the ceiling, which is shaped as the inner part of a low-pitched roof of the burial chamber hewed out of the subterranean rock.
          The map on the southern panel proves to reflect a specific conjunction of planets around the longitude of Sirius. This particular configuration of planets actually occured in the sky about May 1534 BC. These characteristics of the maps have not been recognized before. Egyptologists identified the planets on the maps long ago, but the actual occurence of their configuration in the sky can now be verified through modern astronomical calculation."

          P.S. Помнится Дист обещал закрыть свой сайт если я найду древнее решение дендерского зодиака лучшее Фоменковского 18 века - я такое решение быстро нашел. Ждемс.

http://hbar.phys.msu.su/gorm/wwwboard/voprchr/981745387.htm  -  (09 Февраля 2001) (= 09 February 2001)

¤ Oriental Institute, University of Chicago, Research Archives  -  September 2000:
Oriental Institute Chicago

Oriental Institute, University of Chicago. The text and images in the Oriental Institute World-Wide Web database are for the personal, not-for-profit use of students, scholars, and the public.
          - ... The Research Archives: Egyptology: Author:  Spaeth, Ove von,:  Title: Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map. - In: Centaurus 42 (2000), pages 159-179. Description. - Acquired - September 2000.

Oriental Institute, University of Chicago, Research Archives, - www.oilib.uchicago.edu/oilibcat.html & www.oi.uchicago.edu/OI/DEPT/ RA/Research_Arch_Guide.html

¤ Thunderbolts Forum  -  5 February 2011   -  ideas for our attention:
World-axis and Ancient Sky

Thunderbolts Forum  - For discussion of Electric Universe and Plasma Cosmology  -  Board index ‹ New Insights and Mad Ideas - Bill McDonald's General Composite of the Roswell Spacecraft - http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3947&start=105   •  512 posts  •  Page 8 of 35

Beyond the boundaries of established science an avalanche of exotic ideas compete for our attention. Experts tell us that these ideas should not be permitted to take up the time of working scientists, and for the most part they are surely correct. But what about the gems in the rubble pile? By what ground-rules might we bring extraordinary new possibilities to light?
                                                                                              Moderators: arc-us, MGmirkin World-axis and Ancient Sky
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut5-world-axis_en.asp 
          (Excerpts of the Ove von Spaeth texts and findings:)
          The World-axis stretches from the Canopus Star via the Sirius Star up to Vega in the constellation Lyra, the sky's three brightest stars and they appear on a perfect, straight line. To compare with the Senmut map's axis - a cosmic factor thus resembling the obelisk symbolism presented in the Egyptian creation myth.
          This first, complete star map installed in Senmut's secret tomb had set a fashion of which in principle was copied during the following 1,500 years in Egypt. However, the special motive is originally the most dominant with Senmut: the World-axis.
          As this axis is established by the three most brilliantly shining stars of the sky, i.e., Canopus, Sirius, and Lyra/Vega: This phenomenon should not be confused with the axis of earth. Together these three stars show the straight line along the shining Milky Way across the sky.
          Although Senmut's star map has the oldest picture of the World-axis known anywhere, it is called "a mast" by the few Egyptologists who have noticed it. Maybe the only researcher known to have recognized the World-axis on the Senmut star map was Ernst Zinner, German astronomer, astronomy historian, and Manager of the Bamberg Observatory. In his treatise, "Die Sternbilder der alten Ägypter" in the 'Isis' Science Magazine (1933, Vol. 16, pp. 92-101), he mentions it directly as "the World-axis on the star map" - few years after the finding of the tomb and thus the map.
          Senmut's star map constitutes also a celestial portrait, which is the world's oldest known 'horoscope' in the original understanding of this term, which was to "read the sky" - especially in order to determine the time based on certain configurations of stars in the horizon. A close analysis of the inscriptions of Senmut's star map reveals that almost all planets are gathered around the Sirius Star and thus the World-axis. This indicated a certain date. ... ...
      (>>> Continue here: http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut5-world-axis_en.asp )

Lizzie, - Sat Feb 05, 2011  5:14 pm  - (Posts: 2868 - Joined: Thu Apr 03, 2008 7:55 am) Bill McDonald's General Composite of the Roswell Spacecraft  -  http://www.thunderbolts.info/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=10&t=3947&start=105   -  (5.Feb.2011).

Sidetop
¤ Mail, 31 March 2002  -  comment:
Most interesting work

I find your work on the Senmut star map most interesting, and will alert a physicist/astronomer friend of mine to see it too. I very much appreciate the offprint of your paper.
          Do you have an English publisher for your Moses research? If not, I may have some suggestions. - Regards,

John Anthony West, Egyptologist, author and explorer, New York, http://www.jawest.com/  -  (31 March 2002)

¤ Elio Jucci : SETH - 'Semitica et Theologica', 7. 2003  -  presentazioni:
Calendari

Risorse Bibliche lingua e scrittura ebraica. - Site sobre Qumran e os Manuscritos do Mar Morto. Mantido por Elio Jucci, Università degli Studi di Pavia, Itália. - Elio Jucci : SETH - "Semitica et Theologica".
          - Calendari. A proposito di Calendari (questo mese) ... è noto a tutti quanto la questione del calendario fosse importante nel mondo ebraico ... per tale motivo dedicherò almeno una pagina a links connessi in qualche modo con questo tema. ... Calendari: [VII -2003] - An Egyptian Star-map. By Ove von Spaeth, Independent Scholar, Denmark ( http://www.moses-egypt.net ).

Elio Jucci, Ricercatore Confermato - Lingua e Letteratura Ebraica - Dipartimento di Scienze dell'Antichità, Facoltà di Lettere e Filosofia - Università di Pavia, Itália - http://members.xoom.virgilio.it/Shib/calendar.htm  &  http://lettere.unipv.it/SETH/calendar.htm  -  (7. 2003)

¤ Studies of Occidental Constellations and Star Names to the Classical Period, (October 2002 & 2003)  -  An Annotated Bibliography:
A controversial interpretation

An Annotated Bibliography of Studies of Occidental Constellations and Star Names to the Classical Period. Compiled by Gary D. Thompson, Copyright 2001. - Section Four (4): Geographical listing (2) - Egyptian, Jewish, Persian, Arabic: - Articles/Entries:
          von Spaeth, Ove. (2000). "Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map." (Centaurus, Volume 42, Pages 159-179). [Note: A controversial interpretation of the Senmut star map. The Danish author, who describes himself is an "independent scholar," seeks to accomplish considerable chronological revision (as part of his re-intepretation of the biblical figure of Moses). A number of critics on the Hastro-L (History of Astronomy) discussion list (January, 2002) have shown his astronomical interpretation of Senmut's star map to be seriously flawed.]

Gary D. Thompson, (West Melton, Australia) - Studies of Occidental Constellations and Star Names to the Classical Period, - http://members.optusnet.com.au/~gtosiris/page4.html  -  (2002, updated 3.Oct.2003)

¤ Collège de France, La Bibliothèque d'Égyptologie, Paris, Nouvelles Acquisitions  -  2001:
La Bibliothèque d'Égyptologie

Bibliothèque d'Égyptologie - possède un fonds spécialisé sur l'Égypte pharaonique et l'Égypte chrétienne, sur la philologie, la linguistique et la paléographie hiéroglyphiques, hiératiques, démotiques et coptes, sur l'épigraphie, l'histoire et l'archéologie de l'Égypte et de la Nubie, et enfin sur la représentation de l'Égypte pharaonique depuis la fin du paganisme jusqu'à l'époque actuelle.
          - ... Nouvelles acquisitions de la bibliothèque d'Égyptologi 2001: Monographies, tires a part, articles: Ègyptologie BROCH SPA  - Spaeth, Ove von,  - Dating the oldest egyptian star map / by Ove von Spaeth, Copenhagen,  Munksgaard, 2000 [21] p : fig. [2] tabl., Extr. de Centaurus ISSN 0008-8984.

La Bibliothèque d'Égyptologie, Collège de France, Cabinet d'Égyptologie, Paris, - www.egyptologues.net/pdf/bibliotheque/ acquisitions2001.pdf

¤ Newsgroup: In the Hall of Maat, 17 May 2004  -  comment:
Pseudoscience?

Velcome to: In the Hall of Maat, ... Reply To This Message - Re: So who are your "favorite" Pseudohistorians? ... /Annie Vedelsby, Date: May-17-04, 01:34 : Here pseudoscience is not so common - yet - but I would name Velikovsky, Osman, and a danish gentleman, Ove von Spaeth, who till now has written 4 books in which he is "proving" that Senmut = Moses. I believe that Joanne Conman has seen his paper about Senmut's astronomical ceiling. Greetings Annie Vedelsby. - Reply To This Message - etc. ...

Annie Vedelsby, - Newsgroup: In the Hall of Maat, - www.thehallofmaat.com/maat/read.php?f=1&i=199585&t=199411 - (17.May2004, 01:34)

¤  

Supplying Information, - by Ove von Spaeth:  - The following information is published in order to dispel a certain extreme superficiality, and this may help Annie Vedelsby and especially many other readers in similar situations. Unfortunately, the phenomenon is not uncommon in the academic circles.
          In addition - I would like to thank Vedelsby for giving me this opportunity to dismiss the hearsay in question that, for some years, is irresponsibly distributed concerning my research.

          Presenting Moses as a true historical person, was always the main feature of my series of books. However, this aim does not seem to fit in with Vedelsby's beliefs. Among Vedelsby's assumptions and suppositions, she tries to use Joanne Conman as a witness, - whereby Vedelsby "... believes ..." that "... Conman has seen his (OvS's) paper about Senmut's astronomical ceiling ...".
          If any of Vedelsby's beliefs had contained any correct information at all, then fate has not been good to several scientific institutions, e.g. the Jewish National & University Library, The Hebrew University of Jerusalem would then have been lacking this kind of "advice" before they started buying even the first copy of my books. Furthermore, similar "problem" hits The Danish Ministry of Foreign Affairs at its Development Aid Division, Danida, who recommends my books so that the education of the staff can be supplied with information on ancient Egyptian culture and history.

          Vedelsby asserts that I have "... written 4 books 'proving' Senmut = Moses ...". False! In my series of books, five volumes (ultimately) in all, only one volume deals with Senmut - containing new informative finds and discoveries indicating certain historical connections to Moses. Senmut is not mentioned elsewhere, at all. Moreover, I do never in any of my books use the expression "proves", because the books' contents are presented in the only way this material can be useful: in a proper scientific manner.

          Is Vedelsby familiar with the tradition of research applied to basic scientific principles? As a taxidermist at Zoological Museum at the University of Copenhagen, and a member of the Danish Society of Egyptology, she should know. Thus, are Vedelsby's assertions an illusion or deliberate desinformation?
          In terms of the last mentioned and according to examples of Vedelsby's lack of knowledge concerning my books, as she herself has just revealed, she can neither have actually read the books, nor can she have seen a message of Joanne Conman admitting never having read my paper concerning the dating of the Senmut astronomical ceiling (cf. messages of Conman for newsgroup Hastro-L, Jan.2002 - where, furthermore, Conman in advance ignores all facts and data presented in my paper). But, in spite of all this, Vedelsby knows 'for sure' that the author of the books is a "pseudo-historian", and she even knows this beforehand. In any case, this line of action or attitude has absolutely nothing to do with science.

Ove von Spaeth, Zenith I.C. Project, - (31.May,2004).

::  Still, I am grateful that Vedelsby gave me this extra opportunity to contribute with more information:


NOTE I: - My favourite "pseudo-scientists" are Tycho Brahe, Darwin, Albert Einstein, and Schliemann - none of whom originally had a thorough academic scientific training or support, but never the less they invented new, ground-breaking scientific methods and - through by their pioneering scientific research - made discoveries and inventions decisive to history and mankind. Vedelsby chose one of her "...favourite pseudo-historians..." to be Ove von Spaeth, whose work she hasn't studied seriously or understood - indeed, a time-saving achievement.
       Concerning my treatise on Senmut's Star Map, it has been published in the esteemed "Centaurus International Magazine of the History of Mathematics, Science, and Technology".
       Without any of that kind of commentaries, the Ove von Spaeth-paper on the Senmut star map has been received, accepted, and now being accessible worldwide at central libraries of scientific institutions, e.g. in Washington DC, Chicago, Paris, Madrid, Oxford, Cambridge, The Vatican, Cracow, Moscow, Beijing, and Tokyo, - and in several other scientific institutions of history, astronomy, and Egyptology, e.g. in Germany, Belgium, South Africa and Egypt.

          Concerning my research on Moses, my books have been supported by a great number of scientists and experts. To mention a few e.g.: Jes P. Asmussen, Ph.D. (Theology), Professor, formerly at the Carsten Niebuhr Department of Near Eastern Studies, University of Copenhagen; - and Kristian Peder Moesgaard, D.Sc., Professor, History of Science Department, Aarhus University, - Director of the Steno Museum, Denmark's National Museum for the History of Science, Aarhus.
          According to consequences by Vedelsby's expressed beliefs those many experts and institutions must all be wrong. But she knows what is "pseudo".

          Ove von Spaeth


NOTE II:  - Until recently, it had been common practice for scientists - for almost a hundred years - to send/deliver their articles on demand as a copy or off print to other scientists. To do so, many used pre-printed postcards with their address and the words "Dear Colleague, Please send me your article/paper entitled ... etc.". Now, the Internet makes it even easier to acquire an article. The afore-mentioned Joanne Conman has referred to my web site. Although my e-mail-address is well-presented, she has never asked for a copy of my paper, but stated her judgement against my treatise to her Hastro-L-group in January 2001, still - by her own words: - without having read it.
       Conman turned to a fellow newsgroup-member, astronomer van Gent, for support. He hadn't read my paper either, nor had he requested it from me or a library. But this did not stop him from stating, even in a foreign field - and totally outside my paper's content - that a Moses chronology in my books must be feared as being wrong in some way, of course. What a show-off in that group.

          An Australian web site, by Gary D. Thompson, presenting a very useful compilation of literature on ancient astronomy, has placed my paper in this collection together with a strange assertion based on Conman & van Gent's inadequate comments as if these were a result of a serious scientific analysis. - And in continuing the discussions concerning the OvS-paper, now on the Russian Internet, a man named Dimitrij Gusjev, who did not study the paper either, but, instead, he quotes Conman's unfounded opinions as if they were "pure facts". And now, Vedelsby willingly makes a similar mistake.
       My early correspondence with Dr. Clyde W. Tombaugh - a former farm-hand who became a self-taught astronomer and a great expert, and discovered the planet Pluto and more than 1400 asteroids, objects, comets, etc. - is now recorded (side by side, literally, with Carl Sagan's matters) in "Clyde W. Tombaugh Papers" (in New Mexico State University's possession and also to be seen on the Internet). Poor Tombaugh, he did not know that he was exchanging thoughts with a "pseudo". - And regarding to the great Professor in astronomy, the late Carl Sagan, known for his early research (governmental supported) on the possibility of extraterrestrial life - in this avant-garde position he was criticized for performing "pseudo-science". Sagan is often quoted for the statement: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". Concerning Conman's and Vedelsby's funny assertions, what kind of evidence have they brought forward?

       And why should my paper be considered wrong by a judgement not based on any testing or argumentation concerning the paper's weighty data? Only because Conman says so. Joanne Conman is known as a "competent amateur Egyptologist" (http://members.optusnet.com.au) and may be a good scholar - but in this case, she does not seem to act like one. Debate and criticism are indispensable to science and research, and Conman's criticism would be most welcome and valuable, especially if it related to what had actually been stated.

       Thus, Conman has expressed her considerations only, with no evidence, and has not proven anything at all, and - from bad to worse - her proclamation is without her personal inspection of the source in question! She is entitled to do so, but then she should by honesty inform her learned forum that this opinion of hers is not genuine scientifically based. - The very problem appears to occur with surprising frequency in the academic world, because some of the critics openly substitute their own opinions and considerations for concrete facts and data. Again, this outcome is not scientific at all.
          Ove von Spaeth

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¤ Mail, 27 April 2006  -  comment:
Read with greatest interest

          "I have purchased your paper, 'Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map', from Centaurus Magazine - via Blackwell. We are preparing a special exhibition about astronomy. I am the Acting Head of the Department of Astronomy at The Kroppedal Museum (formerly The Ole Roemer Museum). The main subject of this department is in general the history of Danish astronomy  (Tycho Brahe, Ole Roemer, etc.), however, we are also engaged in ancient natural science and cosmology. With greatest interest I have read your paper on the dating of the Star Map from the tomb of Senmut."

Jakob Danneskiold-Samsøe, Leading Curator, Department of Astronomy, Kroppedal Museum, (DK-2630 Taastrup),  - astronomi@kroppedal.dk  -  www.kroppedal.dk  -  (27.Apr.2006)

¤ Newsgroups, newsland.it , Q&A  -  14 July 2005:
Scienza astronomia

         "... ho letto un articolo che tratta della datazione delle decorazioni della tomba. - .Secondo questo studio, pubblicato da Ove von Spaeth nel 2000, la posizione dei pianeti e delle stelle raffigurati in quella tomba permetterebbe di datarla in modo precisissimo.
          Si tratterebbe del 7 maggio del 1534 avanti Cristo. - http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut-files_survey_en.asp  - & -   http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut1-mapdate_en.asp .
          Qui, nella sezione "downloading" si può scaricare il file PDF con l'articolo illustrato: http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut3-treatise_en.asp  ...".

Trystero, it.scienza.astronomia, - Diego Coughi, Trystero, it.scienza.astronomia, - diego.trystero(at)gmail.com - www.newsland.it/nr/browse/it.scienza.astronomia/34408.html  -  (14.Jul.2005)

¤ The Welcome Library for the History -, London, October 2000  -  current work:
The Welcome Library, for the History -

Current work, October 2000: Science, Record 22 of 360.
          Dating the oldest Egyptian star map / by Ove von Spaeth. - p. 159-179 : ill. - In: Centaurus. 42, no. 3 (2000). (OCoLC)2445765. - Includes bibliographic references. - Egypt. - Ancient. - Astronomy / history. - Maps. 

The Welcome Library for the History and Understanding the Medicine, London, - library.wellcome.ac.uk/resources/cw/archive/oct00-synopsis.rtf

¤ Ancient Egyptian Maps sites, B2B search engine, autumn 2004  -  search info:
Star map-Egypt site among the first of top results

The Oldest Egyptian Star Map - the Senmut map Dating information decoded. The following is a presentation of newly discovered data of special importance to Egyptology, ancient history, and astronomy - and, typically, studies of chronology - as well as related culture and science of Egypt's 18th dynasty and ancient Near East.
          It has been published in Ove von Spaeth's treatise on "Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map". The data concerned have been revealed by a thorough examination of one of the most unique Egyptian celestial decoration...
          Star map - Egypt - Spaeth: Millions of related items: - Ancient Egypt Map Resources: - Top 500 Related Search Terms: - "Ancient Egypt Map": - returned 12 top results of which this is No. 6: STAR MAP * EGYPT * SPAETH ( http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut-survey_en.asp )

Ancient Egyptian Maps, B2B sites, - www.b2byellowpages.com/search/ search.cgi?textfield=Ancient%20Egypt%20Map - (autumn 2004)

¤ Crystalinks.com, Metaphysical and Science Website, Ancient Star Maps, 5 March 2001 -  info:
Crystalinks: New Discovery in Ancient Egyptian Star Map

Ancient Star Charts. - The word "star" comes from the Greek term meaning heavenly body;  - Bronze Age 'star chart' found March 2nd ;  - Lascaux, France, 17,000 years ago: in star pictures of the Pleiades;  - Prehistoric Star Maps Identified In France And Spain; -         
          New Discovery  in Ancient Egyptian Star Map ( www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut-survey_en.asp );
          Also, - Star of David - Solomon's Seal ; - Ancient Star Maps; - Ice Age Star Map Discovered BBC - August 2000; - Zodiac - The ancients mapped the stars; - Aboriginal (Native American) Star Knowledge; - Star Charts and Moon Stations; - Sacred Stars and Treasure Maps 5 Pointed Stars.

Ellie Crystal, - Metaphysical and Science Website, Created and Designed by Ellie Crystal. Copyright 1995-2001, - http://www.crystalinks.com/  - Ancient Star Maps  -  (5.Mar.2001)

¤ Newsmail, Swedano Journal, 5 February 2003  -  Reader's Information:
Moses' Stars in Moscow, Arabia, and Jerusalem

What did the ancient Egyptians really know about the world of stars? Researchers have discussed this for more than 100 years, but they have not always recognized an impressive knowledge be the ancient peoples.
          Now, Ove von Spaeth, an independent historian in Denmark, has proved that a special dating key with exact astronomical information has been built into the oldest known star map of the world. It is placed in the Luxor tomb of Senmut, the Egyptian grand vizier ca. 1500 BC
In 2000 Ove von Spaeth's pioneering research resulting in a treatise about the map was accepted by the esteemed international science journal, the "Centaurus Magazine of The History of Mathematics, Science, and Technology".

          The discovery and the dating are supporting Ove von Spaeth's new orienting research of the mystery and drama of the historical Moses.
          This appears in particular from von Spaeth's book, "The Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter", which also contains the entire treatise as a supplementary appendix. The book is the volume two of his series of books about the historical Moses.

          Ove von Spaeth's five-volume work, "Assassinating Moses" (C.A. Reitzel Publishers, Copenhagen) is considered so impartial that the National and University Library of Israel in Jerusalem has started to buy it. Simultaneously Arab search engines have accepted and described in details the web-site of the book series, www.moses-egypt.net.
          Also, Zdhems Dist, a Russian researcher, has made a Russian homepage entirely about Ove von Spaeth's treatise on the star map.

          Many debates about Ove von Spaeth's discoveries - internationally, on the Net, and in other media - prove lack of knowledge to the original treatise. Now, however, his whole decoding of this exciting star map can be downloaded free of charge in English and in Danish from the web-site of Ove von Spaeth's book-series on Moses, i.e. http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut3-treatise_en.asp

Hans Baron Anckarstjerna, Editor under the press law, - SweDano Journal,  - http://www.swedano.dk/&swedano@post.cybercity.dk  -  (5.Jan.2003)


(With permission as per January 5, 2003, from Hans Baron Anckarstjerna, SweDano Journal)

¤ Astrocomment, 11 Oktober 2004  -  Info:
Der astronomischen Angaben

           "... Zum schluss noch soviel:  Der dänische Ove von Spaeth hat anhand der astronomischen Angaben des Lukasevangeliums festgestellt;  - "unsere Zeitrechnung" - das haben wir auch immer gesagt, in der DDR.  ...
          Das sei aber nur eine Zeitdimension, die 40 Jahre zu interpretieren ...". Schöne Grüsse aus Berlin-Weissensee,

Torsten Schulz, Ihr Kosmometer, - www.kosmometrie.de/astrocomment.html  -  (11.Okt.2004)

¤ Discussiongroups, Searching-For-Truth, 12 May 2006  -  comment:
The path

Searching-For-Truth. - Description: A group for the path of truth. Google Groups Beta. *Yahoo! Groups Links*. Subject: [spirit_truths] An Egyptian Star-map, by Ove von Spaeth, Independent Scholar, Denmark. Find messages by this author - at: http://ww.anistor.co.hol.gr/english/enback/v021.htm  - & -  http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut1-mapdate_en.asp 

Jeff Watts, ( http://beunlimited.googlepages.com/home ) -http://groups.google.com/group/Searching-For-Truth/browse_thread/thread/a608a38df697da79/892afc7bc85e9751?lnk=st&q=&rnum=1&hl=en#892afc7bc85e9751  -  Fri, May 12 2006 2:33 am  - (12.May,2006)

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¤ Imago Mundi: The International Journal for the History of Cartography, Vol. 53, 2001 - & -  Vol. 55, 2003  -  Bibliographies:
Imago Mundi

British Library: History of Cartography. - The International Journal for the History of Cartography. Resources for Librarians and Publishers. Journal of record as well as scholarship (includes book reviews, bibliography, chronicles). - Publisher Routledge, part of Taylor & Francis Group. - British Library, 96 Euston Road, London NW1 2OB
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Imago Mundi Bibliography, JSTOR Collection: Arts & Sciences Complement ... Spaeth, Ove von: - Dating the oldest Egyptian star map / Ove von Spaeth. - 01:53(323) ... Issue: Volume 53, 2001, P. 212.

Herbert, Francis, Hon. (Compiled by), - Imago Mundi Bibliography, -
http://links.jstor.org/sici?sici=0308-5694(2001)53%3C180%3AIMB%3E2.0.CO%3B2-D

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Imago Mundi Bibliography, File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - 2003 Imago Mundi Ltd ISSN 0308-5694 print/1479-7801 online. DOI: 10.1080/0308569032000097594 ... Leitz, Christian: - In response to article of O. von Spaeth  on the star map (TT 353). ... Issue: Volume 55, Number 1 / 8 October 2003, P. 176.

Smith, Catharine Delano (Editor): - Imago Mundi Bibliography, -
http://taylorandfrancis.metapress.com/(45flqsvnpgucrsb5ekqz1m45)/app/home/contribution.asp?referrer=parent&backto=issue,13,13;journal,7,7;linkingpublicationresults,1:109402,1

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(Ed.note: Imago Mundi: The International Journal for the History of Cartography. - The only English-language scholarly periodical devoted exclusively to the history of pre-modern maps, mapping, and map-related ideas from anywhere in the world. Founded in Berlin in 1935 by Russian émigré Leo Bagrow as an annual publication. British Library, London NW1 2OB, - http://links.jstor.org/journals/03085694.html  - & - Publ. Routledge, taylorandfrancis.metapress.com/index/TJ66DWGM26KQV9VE.pdf)

¤ "Danish research projects published after1950", astrology museum.dk, summer 2003  -  research and archive document:
Star Knowledge in Ancient Egypt

Bibliography on astrological research projects published in Denmark in the second half of 20th century. Research projects are classified as:  basic research, practical research, and development work. Included are also pilot investigations and more comprehensive works. Articles:  Spaeth, Ove von, "Star Knowledge in Ancient Egypt" in the "Stjernerne" (Magazine) 9/2002, pages 20-25 (& second part:  the "Stars" 11/2003, pages 10-13)

          Classification - only standard of subjects so far available for astrology is UDC, the Universal Decimal Classification system used in practically all research libraries. Or the similar like the early Dewey Decimal Classification - DDC - or Library of Congress Classification - LCC - or the simplified version, Decimal Classification System DK used at public libraries, school libraries, etc. By all these systems, Astrology is classified in group 1, PHILOSOPHY.  A Factual Order has been presented as a suggestion named AMFORA classification.

Claus Houlberg, Astr. Cand.Arch., Eksam. Psykoterp.: "Danish Research Projects After 1950", Astrology Museum, Research and Archives - www.astrologimuseum.dk/forskningsarkiv/dansk/forskningsprojekt.html - (summer 2003)


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::   NOTE (web ed.):   - The text in the above articles about "Star Knowledge in Ancient Egypt" includes a number of extracts from OvS's treatise, "Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map", Centaurus, Volume 42, July-August 2000, pages 159-179. - Some essential parts of Ove von Spaeth's discovery he had originally published in "Stjernerne", August 1985 (29th year, No 11, pp. 462-467).
          A Danish version of the treatise was published as an appendix to OvS's book, "The Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter", 2000, pp. 176-190 (C.A. Reitzel Publishers). - The original treatise in English (as well as a Danish version) can be downloaded from: www.moses-egypt.net - at its STAR MAP sites wich are added extended contents and are being open to further debate on a special FAQ-site.
          The complete article, "Star Knowledge in Ancient Egypt" by Ove von Spaeth was published in the Swedano Journal, and can be downloaded by deep links: http://www.thirax.dk/artikler/OveSpaeth/Ove3/index.html.

¤ Clyde W. Tombaugh Papers, correspondence, New Mexico State University, register (4 April 2004)  -  Manuscript Collection:
Tombaugh correspondence, Department of Astronomy

Clyde W. Tombaugh Papers: A register of Manuscript Collection - Ms 0407 - in the New Mexico State University Library Archives and Special Collections Department (Rio Grande Historical Collections, MSC 3475, P.O. Box 30006, Las Cruces, New Mexico, NM 88003, USA).
          - Files from Tombaugh's tenure at New Mexico State University, Department of Astronomy: (on p. 55 ff:) professional correspondence, No. 90:14  Ove von Spaeth, Ch., 1975 & 1987.

Clyde W. Tombaugh Papers, New Mexico State University; (Board of Regents), - Library Archives http://archives.nmsu.edu/exhibits/tombaugh_website/clydeaid.pdf  -  (4.Apr.2004)

¤ OPT - Astronomy..., 26 February 2004  -  information:
Of great importance to ancient Egyptian chronology

STAR-MAP:  New orientating discoveries in the world's oldest star map in a 3500 years old Egyptian tomb - presented through historian Ove von Spaeth's research - revealing informative and precise astronomical data of great importance to ancient Egyptian chronology. ( http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut-survey_en.asp )

OPT Astronomy Optcorp, Oceanside, Ca 92054, - www.optcorp.com - & - www.optcorp.com/links.asp - (26.Feb.2004)

¤ Mail, 14 November 2005  -  question:
Chronology and conjunctions, I

I have read with interest information provided on your website concerning the research of the Semut star-map and its probable relation to Moses. You suggest the map describes a real astronomical observation in the reign of queen Hatshepsut.

          As I am writing a book on the chronology of Jesus Christ, my interest was drawn to what seems a conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter in the very year that an eclipse of the sun occurred over Egypt.
          My research shows two possible dates for the solar eclipse, one retro-calculation with "Voyager" software came up with June 1, 1478 BC, in the "pot" or "well" of Gemini; the other by Aymen M. Ibrahem, author of Egyptian Cosmology, Part III, Solar Eclipses, places the eclipse in year 15 of queen Hatshepsut, Julian date August 23, 1463 BC.

          The latter date seems more likely and is further corroborated by a reference to a solar eclipse in the text on the base of the standing obelisk of the queen at Karnak and the fact that the star Sirius, is shown as visible in the night sky, i.e. after its rising in the month of July of that year.

Don Leichel, New Zealand - exalto@clear.net.nz  -  (14.Nov.2005)

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::   OvS's reply.    It will be important to be cautious when using the "easy" software of astronomy programmes. Generally, they are not very precise when going that far back in time. Then, concerning two solar eclipses - 1478 BC and 1463 BC - which you mention having taken place in the years of queen Hatshepsut - there seems to be some differences here, since many indications prove that she died in the middle of the 1480'es BG.

          In the course of Egyptology through the last 150 years, there exist many chronology hypothesis on early 18th dynasty - and approx. every 15-20 years a new trend is added. Again, be careful, the texts on the base of her obelisk are well-known, and normally in the translations there seems no mention of any solar eclipse.
          An exact dating of the Senmut star map - established by me, originally in 1984, and in 2000 being published in an international scientific journal - is the first astronomically based fixation of the period in question. A point in my dating research on the map is the discovery of the fact that all, or almost all, planets are gathered around the meridian of Sirius. A list of such conjunctions - mostly taking place in the celestial sector Gemini - through 2300 years (100 AD--2200 BC) is available from my treatise, to be downloaded from:  www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut3-treatise_en.asp

          These Sirius conjunctions appear to be a somewhat rare phenomenon. However, if you only look for conjunctions of Jupiter and Saturn, these will happen every 20th year and should be, accordingly, of no extra significance or interest.

          Besides, be careful also with this, last mentioned, type of conjunction, because no ancient astronomer would ever mistake planetary conjunctions for a star (as many have otherwise suggested for the so-called "Star of Bethlehem"). And by the way, when determining the years of Jesus, most historians and chronologists calculate - erroneously - the Roman emperor Tiberus from the time of Augustus' death. But in fact, Tiberius was already emperor of the eastern (!) part of the Roman Empire from the year 4 AD - he was then Augustus' co-regent, and they are depicted together on Roman coins from that time. - Hoping that the information will be of some use, - thanks for your interest,

          Ove von Spaeth

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¤ Mail, 29 December 2005  -  question:
Chronology and conjunctions, II

In reference to my previous e-mail I wish to draw your attention to the now proven parallel between the astronomical event around Moses' birth in Egypt and the Star of Bethlehem around Jesus' birth. You write (correctly) there is a conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn about every 20th year. However, there is a conjunction of these two planets in Pisces about every 800 years and this "rarity" makes it a much more interesting phenomenon from the ancient astrological viewpoint, astrology being an extension of the practice of astronomy.
          For several reasons (described in my book), Matthew's Gospel is careful to describe the event that prompted the wise men to visit Bethlehem as an astronomical event, only the event was explained by the visiting astronomers-astrologers in astrological terms. This is the key to understanding the singular use of the word "star" by Matthew. It means the "Star Sign"  or  "Ascendant" (Jupiter in Pisces) at birth and there are certain valid grounds why Pisces, particularly in combination with Saturn, were considered by the wise men to be connected with Israel.
 
          Your research in relation to the Senmut astronomical event complements my decade research in relation to the hidden mathematical code in the prophecy of the "sevens" in chapter 9 of the Book of Daniel, which predicts the advent of the Messiah in the era of the Roman Empire. On the basis of the discovered code, I have been able to prove the chronology of Jesus, starting with his birth in 7/6 BC. All the mutually inclusive evidence of the chronology (date of birth, baptism and death) is in chapters 3-6 of my book with the proposed title IPSO FACTO (the facts about Jesus). I have found your research a welcome complement to my endeavour in having the results of my factual findings published.

Don Leichel, New Zealand - exalto@clear.net.nz  -  (29.Dec.2005)

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::   OvS's reply.    As I stated last time: no astronomer of the ancient world would ever mistake a planet conjunction for a "star". I cannot follow you any longer on that road. Besides, the whole subject is not in the focus in my field of research.
          Don't try to make given facts fit into hypothesis - the whole operation should be done the other way around, of course. You should research much more - e.g. when did King Herod carried out his census? It took always place in connection with taxations. Herod is known for lowering the tax with 25 per cent in the year 14 BC. Around that time there was a Roman governor Saturnius in Syria (in Tyros) and he had the same name as another governor who was Quirinius' predecessor, approx. 10 years later. The Bible's New Testament can fully correctly(!) be translated so that its Greek text is pointing at either of them, i.e. two different pointers for a time fixation.
          The oldest Christian calendars (Ethiopian and Armenian) go back to approx. year 10 BC.

          Also Father of Church, Origen of Caesarea (185-254), states that the so-called "Bethlehem star" was not really a star, and he uses an expression from Egyptian-Greek astronomer Ptolemy in Alexandria while saying that it was not even a comet but something more like a nebula - and by this brings us close to the same description as used for Hipparchus' discovery of a nova (supernova). This was an appearance which in fact would be noted, so unusual as it was. The same goes for the biblical star observation in question. However, concerning the planet Jupiter and the constellation Pisces alluding to Israel, all this is a later speculation, a medieval concept having no support - not by even a single source from Antiquity. Besides, there was almost  never any country "Israel" (except in eras of David-Solomon era and of the Maccabees), but in the actual case being a Roman protectorate, Palestine, which not even covered quite the same geographic area as alleged in the scriptures.

         In my first mail to you, I gave you some clues - and for the present you get some more. If you won't receive them, there is nothing I can do. However, it is well-known that many fine explorations have been done by not following advice from others.
          From the library you could get a very ingenious and informative book written by a Norwegian friend of mine - and although I do not necessary have to agree in all detail of his special matter (e.g. the conjunction being a star), but still his valuable text is full of many interesting data:  Gustav Teres SJ: "The Bible and Astronomy. The Magi and the Star in the Gospel", 3rd. ed., (Springer) Berlin and Budapest, 1999. - Good luck, whatever you choose,

          Ove von Spaeth

¤ Biblesearchers.com, July 1st, 2003  -  info:
This star-map describes a planetary conjunction

The Astronomical Ceiling of Senmut's Tomb. - Senmut was the vizier to queen Hatshepsut and also the calendar registrar of Egypt, during the 18th dynasty (16th c. BCE). He was also chief architect of Queen Hatshepsut, the female pharaoh's funeral mortuary temple near the Valley of the Kings.
          According to A. Pogo, on the ceiling panel of this architect's tomb, it "displays the celestial heavens including the zodiac and other constellation ... (A. Pogo, "The Astronomical Ceiling Decoration in the Tomb of Senmut (XVIIIth Dynasty)," Isis (1930) ...
          This star-map actually describes a planetary conjunction in which the planet position is defined to a certain sector of the sky, plus a solar eclipse. As such, precise astronomical calculation can date this map to the date, May, 1534 BCE (Ove von Spaeth, "Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map", International Journal of the History of Science, Centaurus, vol 42:3 (2000):159-179).

Robert D. Mock, MD, Evidence of Catastrophes in the Natural World, topics: Polar Reversals - http://biblesearchers.com/catastrophes/catastrophes6.shtml - & - robertmock@biblesearchers.com - (1.Jul.2003)
 



 
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