"... The Danish researcher Ove von Spaeth does, in his book series: "Assassinating Moses", set up a quite convincing theory ... I do not necessarily agree in all von Spaeth's conclusions, but certainly no researcher has ever come as close to the truth about Moses as he does ...".         

Claus Fentz Krogh, - www.genesispatriarchs.dk/patriarchs/joseph/joseph_eng.htm  -  (autumn 2001)

          "... I have read the English portion, the chapters about Moses at the web site. Fascinating. I know you are on the right track. ...
          My area for study for 30 years has been the spiritual or allegorical meaning of the first four narrations of Genesis. My approach has been much like yours. In order to study Genesis I have researched in many areas, including Egyptian Myth ... It certainly is too short a space here for me to give you any proof of my discovery and work, and how it draws together and makes sense out of the comments on an allegorical meaning to Genesis, as claimed by Philo, Moses Maimonides, Josephus and others regarding these stories ... You have this deep interest in Moses, I do too ...".

Ray Kalliss, distribution.moraff, - thirdinvention@cox.net - (& www.thegenesisletters.com/Library.htm )  -  (3 February 2002)

After having read "The Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter", which is volume 2 of the book-series on Moses, I can only repeat my great admiration for the impressive research, its logical conclusions, and the inspiring way of writing.
          Obviously the resistance that Ove von Spaeth's books are met with from some Egyptologists and present clergy is a result of a hurt, professional pride, or let us just use the correct designation, i.e. envy. At this moment a number of Egyptologists would wish that it was they who had presented this research for gaping and jubilant colleagues. Part of the clergy, academic theologians, we cannot take seriously. For centuries they have tried to twist and hide reality for people. Dogmas and blind faith is more important to them that the truth.
          Nor am I worried about the reaction of these "professionals", when in the name of myself I more and more try to support an active, open presentation of the old narratives in the light of this new research. Based on this concept the part of my lecturing activities having their sources in the series of books on Moses has quickly become quite a success …

          In addition I can reveal that I have made an agreement with Stjernegaard Rejser a/s (Ltd.), Copenhagen, an esteemed and very experienced travel agency specializing in Egypt, to the effect that I am going to complete their programme on the special Moses-voyages developed on the basis of Ove von Spaeth's books.
          The concept is a cultural voyage programme taking us to selected places mentioned in the books. At the sites and in the conference rooms of the hotels, lectures will take place presenting the subjects based on the special treasure of exceptional observations and recognitions that these books - often being the first ones with these achievements - are now documenting and presenting to us.

Erik Ansvang, Lecturer, Writer, Tour Guide, and Tour Organizer
Ndr. Fasanvej 34, III tv, DK-2000 Frederiksberg. ansvang@newmail.dk &
www.aton-rejser.dk  -  Phone +45-33 23 32 12   -  (10.Feb.2002)

(With Erik Ansvang's permission of February 2, 2002, to be used by OvS)

Now it will be harder for the ruling elite in the so-called Copenhagen University to continue the campaign against authoritaritan-knowledge-denying books on Moses, published by a self-taught lecture hall peace violator who does not understand that true empirical scientific training is based on that we do not challenge predecessors' mistakes and repressions because it will make the entire rickety edifice to shudder.

          We can now follow this drama which occurred in the light of the transformation of the oldest world picture and the ensuing emerging religion-ideology which is the logical consequence of the research enshrined in those books.

          Thus, the impression in summary, and being followed up in Ove von Spaeth's last-released book, the Volume 2:  clear, readable setup, with brief sections that subvert several thousand years of mythology. We are speechless and had to chew each word a second time. - The book is, like everything that has come from this authorship, conscientiously carried out and marked from caution: You may well be friendly and informative, even if we pull down a couple of world religions on the floor.

Jacob Ludvigsen, journalist, writer, editor, - Svanekevej 42, Braendesmark,
DK-3740 Svaneke - (5.Aug.2001)

(publication approved in writing of April 23, 2003, by J. Ludvigsen)

"Moses" ( www.moses-egypt.net )   [Translate]   En 
A non-commercial website presents archives of information and documentation regarding an outstanding five-volume work of advanced studies and re-evaluation of the status and era of Moses: Moses as a historical person. The work is founded on secular scholarly research into the Bible and the Rabbinical Texts combined with archaeology, Egyptology, and anthropology."

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   موقع غير تجاري يقدم أرشيف من المعلومات والوثائق حول عمل مكون من خمسة مجلدات، يتضمن دراسات متقدمة وثورية عن تمثال وحقبة سيدنا موسى عليه السلام كشخصية تاريخية. وقد قام العمل على أساس بحثي علمي في كل من الإنجيل والنصوص الربانية، إلى جانب علم الآثار، علم المصريات وعلم الإنسان.
 

Ajeeb, Arabic Portal, Dubai, - http://dalilc.ajeeb.com/data/64861.asp → (Arts and) Humanities  → History(80)  -  (Oct.2002)

Birth of Moses.   - Most Jews and Christians hold to a rather romanticized version of the Nativity of Mosheh or 'Moses'. In the year 1999 or 5759 common era, it seems to me that I remembered the true identity of Mosheh or 'Moses' as Senenmut the Steward of Hatshepsut. This appears to me to be a memory restored to me from a previous Gilgulim or 'Reincarnation' (Metempsychosis) and was not the result of any intense study or discipline. It came upon me as a Bas Kol or 'Daughter Voice' (Damamah: 'Silent-Hum'; Still-Small-Voice') in a moment of Inspiration.

          Concerning the Nativity of Mosheh, V'Elleh Sh'mos or 'Exodus' states:  - "And, a man from a House of Levi went, and, took a daughter of Levi. And, the woman conceived, and, bore a son, and, she saw that he was good, and, she hid him for three months. And, she was not able anymore to hide him, and, she took him with an ark of papyrus, and, she pasted it with bitumen, and, with tar, and, she placed the youth within it, and, she placed it in the reeds upon the banks of the Nile. And, his sister stood afar to know what would happen to him." (2:1-4; Sons of the Prophets version)
          A literal translation  of the original Hebrew is as follows:   - Va-yelek (And went) 'ish ([a] man) mi-beis (from [a] house) Levi ([of]Levi) va-yiqach (and took) 'es (direct object signifier) bas (daughter) Levi ([of] Levi). Va-tahar (And conceived) ha-'ishah (the woman) va-teleth (and bore) ben ([a] son) va-tere' (and saw) 'oso (direct object signifier) ki-tov (like good) hu' (he) va-titz'p'nehu (and she hid) sh'loshah (three) y'rachim (months). V'lo' (And not) yak'lah (was able) 'oth (anymore) hatz'fino (to hide) va-tiqach (and she took) lo (with) tevas ([an] ark) gome' ([of] papyrus) va-tach'm'rah (and she pasted) va-chemar (in the bitumen) vu-va-zafes (and in the tar) va-tasem (and she placed) bah (in the it) 'es (direct object signifier) ha-yeleth (the youth) va-tasem (and she placed) ba-suf (in the reed) al-s'fas (upon banks) ha-y''or (the Nile). Va-tesatzav (And she stood) 'achoso (his sister) me-rachoq (from afar) l'the'ah (to know) mah (interrogatory signifier) ye'aseh (making) lo (with).

          Hatshepsut.   - The "Key Figure" to any identification of the historical personage known as Mosheh or 'Moses' is Hatshepsut the Female Pharaoh. She was the so-called "Daughter of Pharaoh" that rescued the child Mosheh from the Nile River.
          False Theory.  A Seventh-Day Adventist by the name of Michael Scheifler has proposed a similar theory that Mosheh or 'Moses' is both Senenmut and Pharaoh Thothmoses II. His theory is posted at his "Bible Light" website, and, his theory has influenced several web-forum discussions. http://www.biblelight.net/moses.htm & http://www.kingtutone.com/board/viewtopic.php?p=6967

          Aaccepted dating methods and chronology.   - I challenge this theory of Michael Scheifler's in another section, however, suffice it to state that, as can readily be ascertained from a cursory survey by the various web-forum discussions, his theory challenges the accepted dating methods and chronology of the Eighteenth Dynasty of Egypt; as acknowledged by the Egyptologists. In opposition to this, my own recollection of the events coincide with the accepted dating methods and chronology;   http://www.specialtyinterests.net/alternate.html & http://www.maat-ka- while also re-interpreting the conclusions derived therewith:  http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut1-mapdate_en.asp#5 (&  http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut4-history_en.asp#5 ).

Stephanie Michelle, Soror Samhain - Practicus 3=8, Copyright 1999 or 5759 common era  -  http://groups.msn.com/GuildoftheProphets/moses.msnw  -  (1999, & 2000)

Moses Web Search Results - An interpretation of Moses as a historical person and of the chronology of his era, based on inter-scientifical research in history, Egyptology, theology, archaeology, and historical astronomy.
          - 4)  Moses & New Research / Moses' Identity and Mystery Re-evaluated [Moses] - ( www.moses-egypt.net ).

Moses Poster Print Picture Gallery, The largest selection of posters and art prints in the world - www.poster-print-picture-gallery.com/000000012/Moses%20-%20(259172).html - & - www.poster-print-picture-gallery.com  -  (Feb.2004)

DAHR:  Danish Association for the History of Religion. The DAHR is a society of scholars and teachers of religion, as well as others with an academic interest in religion and the historical study of religions. DAHR was founded in 1982.
          DAHR is affiliated with the International Association for the History of Religions (IAHR) as well as the European Association for the Study of Religions (EASR).
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Jens-André P. Herbener, Cand.Mag. et Mag.Art.  -  reviewing:
          "Judith Vogt:  Der er heller ikke noget nyt under månen: En mosaik om magtens sødme (C.A. Reitzels Forlag. København. 1999)",  - Rambam: Journal for Danish Jewish History, 10, 2001, pp. 95-96.
          "Ove von Spaeth:  The Suppressed Record: Assassinating Moses, I, (C.A. Reitzels Forlag. København. 1999) & Ove von Spaeth:  The Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter: Assassinating Moses, II, (C.A. Reitzels Forlag. København. 2000)",  - Rambam: Journal for Danish Jewish History, 10, 2001, pp. 93-95.
          "Judith Vogt: Den store illusion: Religion og politik (C.A. Reitzels Forlag. København. 2002)", - Rambam: Journal for Danish Jewish History, 11, 2002, pp. 113-114.

          Also, concerning J-A.P. Herbener, cf.: The Hebrew Bible Translation Project, www.hebrew-bibletranslation.com, 2002.

dahr.dk, - Jens-André P. Herbener, Publications, - http://www.dahr.dk/english.html  http://www.dahr.dk/bibliografier/JensAndreHerbener.html  -  (Spring 2002)

          Moses. - From Wikipedia. - (See also: Exodus)
Moses or Môses (משה 'drawn', Standard Hebrew M 161;e, Tiberian Hebrew Mōšeh), son of Amram and his wife, Jochebed, a Levite. Legendary Hebrew liberator, leader, lawgiver, prophet, and historian. If he is a historical figure, he may have lived between the 18th century BCE and the 13th century BCE.
          According to the Hebrew Bible, Moses led the Israelites out of Egypt. He received the Torah Of Judaism from God on Mount Sinai. The Torah contains the life story of Moses and his people till his death at the age of 120 years.
          Moses' greatest legacy was probably expounding the doctrine of monotheism, which was not widely accepted at the time, codifying it in Jewish religion with the 1st (and most important) Commandment, and punishing polytheists. He is revered as a prophet in Judaism, Christianity, and Islam.
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          Unsere Meta-Suche zum Thema "Moses" lieferte folgende Ergebnisse:
2: The Mystery of Moses Re-evaluated ( http://www.moses-egypt.net )
An Interpretion of the Moses Character and His Era on the Basis of Interdisciplinary Studies on history, archaeology, religious History, theology, and astronomy

who.knows-everything, - http://who.knows-everything.com/Moses  -  (Feb.2006)

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          For anyone who is interested in the ancient Egypt and the history of the Bible and Moses -go to this site:  http://www.moses-egypt.net/
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Limewoody, Non Imprimatur, - http://limewoody.wordpress.com  - 05:45 (5.Apr.2006)
 

Writer and film director Erling Haagensen has his interesting discoveries and theories presented through the main characters in his book "Murder on the word", and is also inspired by researchers and writers like dr. Valter H. Juvelius and engineer Henry Kjellson and the researcher Ove von Spaeth's book-series "Assassinating Moses". All the documentary material is reproduced most reliably. Also, he gives the following short and excellent résumé on the book-series' presentation of the historical Moses:
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Many of today's historians tend to regard the story of Moses as a fairytale. But five specific books present a very interesting documentation that places the name of Moses as a historical person in the pharaohs' ancient Egypt. The author of the books, Danish historian Ove von Spaeth has introduced his hypothesis - supported by many academics and experts, but presented entirely outside the academic community - and it is the most convincing hypothesis about Moses until now.
          Also, it places a large number of hitherto unexplained historical events in ancient Egypt for the first time in a complete logical coherence. In future it will be of very great historical importance. The book-series is called "Assassinating Moses", and it is strongly recommended that everybody read it.
          In his books on Moses, Ove von Spaeth explains the circumstances regarding that Moses is not a Hebrew, but rather a true son of Pharaoh's Daughter, Hatshepsut, and the story of the reception on the Nile in fact reflects the ritual reception of the son as the rightful heir to the throne of Egypt. The Bible's narrative about Moses, sailing in a basket on the Nile therefore describes an official ceremony.

          Ove von Spaeth's hypothesis is based on a combination of Egyptian rituals and astronomical events. He reveals to have an unusually thorough knowledge of both, and it gives him an advantage that ordinary Egyptologists do not possess. From his knowledge of astronomy and ancient astrology significance connecting the rituals, he is able to identify a date which is the most likely of the wedding between Hatshepsut and her also royal half-brother. Tradition requires that the wedding takes place preferably at a certain date when the stars mark the climax of a special ritual significance.
          The evidence material presented by Ove von Spaeth can logically explain the peculiar story of Pharaoh's daughter, who receives the ark on the Nile. It is a recurring Egyptian ritual of inauguration and the reception of a new heir to the throne. It always takes place three months after the birth and therefore it is exactly the anniversary date of the conception. It can also  logically explain what otherwise is completely inexplicable that Moses are being brought up at court as the son of Pharaoh's Daughter and thus as crown prince.
          But if this is true, why has he not become pharaoh? According to von Spaeth the ancient information shows that the father of Moses was not Hatshepsut's husband, who was then the only 12 years old Thutmoses II, but a senior priest, Jethro, of the royal family. Jethro is an Egyptian word that means the Nile or the river. Moses had been received from the river by Pharaoh's Daughter and thus brought to the world through the holy river.
          Subsequently, Hatshepsut's spouse, Thutmoses II, got a son with Iset, his mistress, just before dying from an illness. Then Hatshepsut governs alone during a number of years. But Moses thus has got a competitor to the throne, namely Tuthmosis II's son. We know it was he who became Pharaoh Tuthmosis III. And it was he who later removed Hatshepsut's names and images everywhere in Egypt.
          According to the Bible, Jethro is Moses' father-in-law and he is a priest at the temple in Midjan. But in the ancient Hebrew Rabbinical Writings we are told that Jethro was a high-ranking priest at Pharaoh's court, before becoming expelled from the court and thereafter placed as a priest at a remote temple in the Sinai. This is where Moses spend almost 40 years after he was expelled from court.

          At the exodus from Egypt it was recorded that Moses and his followers plundered several temples - according to ancient Egyptian historian Manetho. The valuable documents Moses took with him from Egypt's temples may include some also containing advanced knowledge. Professionals and experts have recognized such kind of features by observing the incredible technical skills appearing in ancient Egypt.
          In any case, Moses has taken something of such enormous importance that the Pharaoh, according to the traces documented by Ove von Spaeth, sets in motion a search that is so intense that Moses must use his strength to hide himself and Israelite tribes now being outlaws in the desert for 40 years.

Erling Haagensen, writer and film director - summary information from his drama-documentary crime novel "Murder on the Word" (Documenta Publishers, Copenhagen, 2008) - http://www.merling.dk  -  (13.Jun.2008)


Erling Haagensen also published together with Henry Lincoln: "The Templars' Secret Island", the fantastic story which became basis background of the Da Vinci Mystery.

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A small observation I stumbled over by my reading of today's newspaper that may be helpful:
          In Berlingske Tidende (daily) in an article today (11.Sep.2006) from the series "On Muhammed" there is a paragraph describing a visit to Damascus at one of the leading Muslim historians (Damascus University), Suheil Zakkar, saying that:
          "... He is in the process of the last 3 volumes of a 95 volume great piece of work on the time of the crusaders, and then he has planned a ten-volume work on the history of Jerusalem. At the round table was a 1,100 year-old document, which referred St. Thomas and his life and the Gnostisc writings. ..."
          "... I have also got in another document ...", he said, and poked around in its stores. "... Most likely Moses should to be pushed 1,000 years further back in time. ..."

          You may already be familiar with this person and if not, he is perhaps interesting to seek out? Just for the information - and addition I want to show my respect to the many fine words you have received along for your work and achievements.

Henrik Dahlerup, maketingchef - hd@dfl-europe.dk  -  (11.Sep.2006)

          By studying Moses the question came up: What was Moses taught as an adopted son of a pharaoh and, thus, what were his responsibilities in Egypt? Was it recorded?
          And what was the main reason why Moses did not build the Tabernacle himself? - Somebody have said he was a shepherd so he couldn't build. Others think he was able to do it, because in Egypt he was in charge of the building of the pyramids. - Could you help us out. Thanks,

Darlene Mason, Richmond, Virginia 23233, - queenofcamelotl@aol.com  -  (22.Apr.2003)

::   OvS's reply.   Being "child of the palace" - i.e. officially belonging to that certain group at pharaoh's court - Moses obligatorily has been educated by officials like "the teachers of the royal children" and "the chief of the royal harem".
          And because "Pharaoh's Daughter" - exactly as the Bible's name of the princess who raised Moses - was a royal title for the crown princesess only, Moses have soon assumed the duties of a crown prince. It was a custom for most Egyptian crown princes to be a governor (and leading government contractor) of the Northern part of Egypt, Lower Egypt. And also the Bible indicates parts of this context, by telling that Moses was in charge of the working Hebrews in Egypt and that those groups were living in the Northern districts (Goshen).

          Later on, Moses constructed the Tabernacle. He gave his precise instructions in fine detail to be effectuated the colleagues as any leader would do. Besides, it was just a sensible thing to do because at that time he was more than 80 years old.

          Moses was never in charge of building the pyramids, which were constructed for more than 800 years before his time. - (Forget everything you may have seen in the movie "Prince of Egypt". Here they even used scaffolds of wood when building the pyramids - in spite of the fact that wood was too scarce in ancient Egypt and not normaly to be used for scaffolds. On numerous sites the archaeologists have found the real scaffolds made out of mud bricks, easy to produce and easy to pile or move).
          Ove von Spaeth

I heard a reference this weekend that Moses killed a man. Can you inform me as to the truth behind this rumour. Thank you,

Mike Fash, - MWFast@aol.com  -  (9 July 2002)

::   OvS's reply.    In the Old Testament (Exodus 2:11-15) the episode is described very briefly, and it is the impression that Moses really might have killed a man.
          But the ancient Rabbinical Writings give the expanded version in detail, and from there it is obvious that it was a set up resulting in Moses being framed. The same texts show it is uncertain whether the supposed victim was killed. But even by pretending an assassination, the intention was to get rid of Moses.This seems to have been a way for his enemies either to have him eliminated or to get him out of the country.
          One of the Fathers of Church, who was the first historian of the Church, Eusebius of Caesarea, ca. 290, writes (Evangelia Praeparatio 9:27) that there was "... a huge conspiracy by the court making attempts to kill Moses ...". In the ancient libraries and from the old rabbis, Eusebius still had access to ancient knowledge and history. - Thanks for your interest.
          Ove von Spaeth

Mr. Ove von Spaeth. The books are the most informing, interesting, and new-creating books I have purchased in the past years: THANKS. - I am also very interested in knowing if it is possible to buy the star map?

          At the Farsoe School, I lectured on your books to the staff of teachers, and some of them immediately went to the library. Hope this will result in some purchases. My approach: I am a former teacher of religion and history (also vice-principal and guide at the History Museum of Aalborg and the Franciscan Monastery), and frequently I am in lack of - so to speak - knowledge about our old acquaintances, persons from religious as well as history.

          With regard to your impressive research, my point is that knowledge, which has been lacking, is to be added to our religion lessons by making our common religion present - and understandable - in teaching of the senior classes. This autumn I am to lecture in Hadsund city about our oldest religion history based on you as the source. Best regards,

Niels Frank, teacher of religion and history, vice-principal, Aalborg and Laessoe - niels.frank@post.tdcadsl.dk  -  (28.Jan.2003)

::   OvS's reply.    - Many readers have found the books suitable for study groups and lectures or for relation to thematic subjects - or for writing of treatises. As the writer of the book-series I am happy being able to contribute with an extra view that you are mentioning. More information about that kind of use, see Info+FAQ.
          The text about the star map can be seen via The Senmut Star Map Decoded, where a pdf-file is available for free download and print.
          Ove von Spaeth

 

Well written, but also "disturbing", said a Doctor of Divinity who reviewed the contents of Ove von Spaeth's book, "The Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter". As the book describes, it must exactly have been disturbing for ancient people to have had to be part of some of their scary rituals of antuquity, of which many apparently were continued through history almost up till present times.
          But it is also extremely exciting to "re-discover" the connected way of thinking behind this part of early culture history. When reading, the idea may even appear that perhaps a good deal of other subjects from such circumstances has not been included in the book, as certain standards of ancient way of thinking might seem too extreme to a modern public.

Asmus Koefoed, DK-2200 Copenhagen N, - asmus@svanenet.dk - (30 January, 2001)

::   OvS's reply.   Your impression is not at all wrong - you may even have found out how it is, e.g. in Chapter 13 of the book; originally I had written an excursus about a similar subject, but  some lack of space made it easier to sacrifice this text. However, you will find it on this link: 
http://www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/ovs_related-articles-b_en.asp#1
          - and I want to emphasize that the text is actually based on exact facts to which perspectives appear from the connection, some of which by nature may be hypothetical. However, the connection, which is there, is extremely interesting.
          Also in all other parts of the book examples demonstrate that certain traces of forgotten or neglected ancient traditions may still exist in later history and all the way up till modern times.
          Ove von Spaeth

          "... Hi Osiris - look at this link http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut-files_survey_en.asp  from Ove von Spaeth - a very, very close friend of mine - look at his webpage and the starmap ... It is amazing so much you know about all this. Tomorrow I will write you something - your way is so different ...".

Ulla, (Ulla Runchel, Join Date: Mar 2005. - Ulla Runchel's own homepage: http://www.forvandlingskuglen.webbyen.dk ) - Shirley MacLaine.com - #51 - Location: u. - Posts: 815 -  http://www.shirleymaclaine.com/encounter/showthread.php?p=696016#post696016  -  06-27-2006,  02:44 PM  -  (27.Jun.2006)

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          "... Yes, Ulla... It is from this web-site that I was able to get the details from this same star-map that I posted earlier (05-19-2006, 04:46 PM - #17) in this thread! ...".

Michael, The Valkyrie (Join Date: July 2002)  Shirley MacLaine.com - #52 - Location: D - Posts: 2,771 - http://www.shirleymaclaine.com/encounter/showthread.php?t=201811&page=6&pp=10  -  06-27-2006,  04:55 PM  -  (27.Jun.2006)

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          "... Hi Osiris. This link is specially for you ... so you can see what he (Ove von Spaeth) has updated - synchron again, again; - he has written 5 books on Moses, master-pieces:  http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut4-history_en.asp  ...".

Ulla, (Ulla Runchel, Join Date: Mar 2005) - Shirley MacLaine.com - #55 - Location: u. - Posts: 820 -  http://www.shirleymaclaine.com/encounter/showthread.php?p=696370#post696370  -  06-30-2006,  04:29 AM   -  (30.Jun.2006)

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          "... Thank You For This, Ulla! This link for Ove von Spaeth is Excellent! - Senmut was Hatshepsut's Vizier. He was possessed of Great Knowledge and Power. Unfortunately he was bereft of Wisdom. The Star Maps in his tomb, and all temple constructions he involved himself with were all designed to insure his place in Eternity. ..."

Michael, The Valkyrie (Join Date: July 2002) Shirley MacLaine.com - #56 - Location: D - Posts:  2,817 - http://www.shirleymaclaine.com/encounter/showthread.php?p=696370#post696370 -  06-30-2006,  10:39 AM   -  (30.Jun.2006)

(Editor's note: Ulla Runchel is the author of "The Crystal Universe", (2003), - Universal Growth Publishing, Phoenix, Arizona)

The published books of the series "Assassinating Moses" were an exiting experience - on which I want to express my thanks. Many new and strange things of the contents you can follow with a great interest and being truely amazed.
          In this connection I would be glad to find an answer concerning Vol. 2, "The Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter".  This book is mentioning a (surveying-)line of sight from the centre axis of the Great Temple of Karnak (Luxor) crossing the the Nile, following several kilometres and uniting with the centre axis of Hatshepsut's temple at the mountain in front of the Kings' Valley. Is there any knowledge about this line to be ascribed to a special meaning?

Ole Henningsen, Hojrebyvej 59, 4920 Sollested, - oleh@post1.tele.dk  -  (22.Mar.2002)

::   OvS's reply.    The special axis is hardly common knowledge. I have made it pictured on a map in my book - Vol. 2, page 64. And the interesting background conditions concerning the sky, sun, moon, and stars relating to its direction I have especially explained on one of the present web-site's pages concerning the Senmut Star Map, the page: "On History" section 4.
          Ove von Spaeth

Background in Discussion:   "... The character of Moses and the story of the flight out of Egypt are now considered by most scholars to have been elaborated during the Jews' exile in Mesopotamia. Ditto for the Tablets of the Law, the idea of which also probably originated in Mesopotamia where royal laws were promulgated on clay tablets. Unless you of course do have (independent) sources showing that Moses existed. ..." 
     Menj, (Joined: 05 Jan 2003 - Location: Paris, France) Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003 4:16 am

Just because there is no proof at the moment does not mean that Moses did not exist. Here is an interesting link:  http://www.moses-egypt.net/book-series/moses-survey_en.asp

ohmyru, Faith Freedom Org, Faith Freedom International, Malaysian Issue ... http://www.faithfreedom.org/forum2/viewtopic.php?t=5401&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=66&sid=83685ed8114be49650e4d6763f971e54 - bob - Joined: 19 Jun 2002, Posts: 625, Posted: Wed Jul 09, 2003  6:10 am  - (9.Jul.2003)

The 3,500 year old star-map which decorates one of the ceilings in the tomb of the great Senmut (or Senenmut) near Luxor (Thebes), apparently demonstrates a previously unknown aspect of the astronomical situation in Egypt around 1,500 BC. This revelation is the result of investigations, the full report of which was published in the International Journal of the History of Science, Centaurus (Ove von Spaeth, "Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map," vol. 42:3 (2000) : 159-179).

          The study concludes as follows: The Senmut map depicts an exceptional event in the sky. This seems to have produced a prototype for all later pictures of similar celestial events - but with one exception: In the first depiction, in the time of Senmut, Mars is retrograde in the west when the other planets assemble around Sirius in the east.

          So far has been demonstrated:  1)  The Senmut maps contain a cosmological and astro-mythological expression not only as decoration - as hitherto assumed - but also as a picture of a particular and unique situation in the sky. -  2)  This configuration of the sky can be exactly dated: 1534 BC.

          In addition the star maps may contribute to a better dating of their creator Senmut and also of the contemporary Egyptian pharaohs - at least accurate to within a decade. - Author's Web Page:  www.moses-egypt.net

D.I. Loizos, Professor in History, Editor-in-Chief, - Anistoriton Journal of History, Archaeology, & ArtHistory, Vol. 6/2002 (ISSN 1108-4081), - Anistoriton History Library, Athens, Greece - www.anistor.co.hol.gr/english/enback/v021.htm -  & http://users.hol.gr/~ianlos/v021.htm  & http://users.hol.gr/~dilos/anistor/vpoints/v021.htm  -  (7 March 2002)

"For the Record" (ed. David Moyer, New York), on Publications:
          - A lengthy illustrated article titled "Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map" by Ove von Spaeth (concerning the astronomical ceiling of the Deir el Bahari tomb of Hatshepsut's minion, Senenmut) has been published in Centaurus: The International magazine of Mathematics, Science, and Technology (Vol. 42, No. 3, 2000, Munksgaard, Copenhagen).

David Moyer, ed., - KMT Modern Journal of Ancient Egypt, Vol.11, No.4, p.10  -  (Winter 2000-2001)

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-- concerning  Message 85 of 113 (23057). 03-11-2002 06:01 PM, by TrueCreation  - Creation Versus Evolution Forum, Posts: 1708, From: Riverview, FL, USA, -
here is the reply by quicksink:

quote (from your words):
here is another link to another site regarding eclipses and dating of ancient civilizations:
http://www.nyu.edu/classes/wright/spring97/chron.htm
"I love this typical delaying tactic - pretend to be interested in something that completely demolishes your argument - but since you asked… :
http://www.skepticfiles.org/evolut/answered.htm
an excellent site that addresses this and many other issues. Do a search on google as well.
There’s another that does not touch the issue of creationism versus evolution":
http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2-faq_en.asp

--The first one was unable to load, it seems the link is wrong, though the second link I can comment on. It does not have any dispute and is evident by its own words that it does not conflict with the date of the flood in any of these quotes where it mentions a date:

q (from moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2):
and even for a fair dating of one of the oldest Chinese records of an eclipse (1050 BC). Stephenson's "Historical Eclipses" is p.t. one of the best publications in this field, but still it must be borne in mind that the Senmut star map is 500-800 years further back in time.

--Looks like I have no problem with the Chinese records as of yet either.

q (from moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2):
Furthermore, one of the oldest known Egyptian presentations of a planetary position, places Jupiter close to the decan (celestial sector of 10-degrees) of Sirius. This dates back some 4200 years, and is recorded on a fragment of a starclock-diagram depicted inside a coffin-lid (on Heny's coffin) - one of the traditional methods of recording.

q (from moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2):
A thousand years before the time of Senmut, the astronomer-priests were developing such skills by constant observation of the firmament, which necessitated the keeping of accurate records, especially with regard to calculating celestial positions and cyclic phenomena.

q (from moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2):
The observation that the Senmut-map presents a concrete celestial conjunction 1534 BC seems to be supported by the subsequent maps in the following centuries demonstrating that these conditions are reflected here, too.

q (from moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2):
Concerning the above mentioned tms n hntt on the Senmut star map - cf. the treatise's paragraph 3 - the following note may be added: The early existence of several variants of this expression is well known, e.g. tms n hnt and tms n hnty etc., several of which go back to the star clock diagrams belonging to the early coffin groups (ca. 2,200 BC). However, the precise combination in our case, tms n hntt , seems to be found on the Senmut star map for the first time.

q (from moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut2):
Given that there is no safe way of extrapolating so far back in time, it would of course be risky to give the exact hour of an eclipse 3,500 years ago, as has been the case in the paper discussed. (It was intended to serve as an additional illustration of how precise the information of the Senmut map might be). As stated above, it is of no significance for the basic dating of this star map. In any case, the general positions in the sky for the Sun, Moon, and all the planets are correct and unambiguous.

--Nothing in this paper challenges the date of the flood, but actually, as I said earlier, it was an interesting read and was informative, not to mention appealing to the dating of the Flood. [/quote]
y’know what - I was wrong… I was misinformed. Sorry.

quote (from your words):
"I have, and I do not understand how this could support the flood model…"
--See my quote on this in this post. If you have any comments or think that there is anything that exists in the record you can challenge it. It is a perfect supportation of the Flood model.

--please elaborate.

quote (from your words):
"absolutely. But when you have two theories side-by-side, the one that explains the facts the most consistently using the least amount of unnatural phenomena and speculation wins the battle for the hearts of the scientist."

--(Creationism it is!).

quicksink, - Message 93 of 113 (23064) - 03-12-2002 05:07 AM
http://www.evcforum.net/cgi-bin/dm.cgi?action=msg&f=12&t=37&m=97  -  (12.Mar.2002)

          I am very interested in your discovery of the Jupiter and Saturn conjunction compared to Sirius of the Egyptian Senmut's star map of 1534 B.C. In the same year also a Jupiter-Saturn conjunction took place. I see no connection between the Egyptian and the Babylonian ancient astronomy (not before circa 400 B.C.), they worked with two different reference systems. I do not know the Egyptian hieroglyphs, but I would like to find the Egyptian interpretation or "symbolic idea" of the two conjunctions mentioned.
          I wish you a continued success with your research work.

Gustav Teres SJ, Bibel Exegetician lic.art., and Astronomer lic.scient.,
Oslo, Norway  -  &  -  Vatican Observatory, Castel Gandolfo  -  (22.Oct.2001)

          "... I would not be surprised if the author has indeed misread passages of the Senmut ceiling ...".
          "... it becomes evident that the redating of the Senmut ceiling star map is only one episode in a larger project of redating the whole chronology of the New Kingdom Period of Egypt that the author plans to publish in a 5-volume study on the life and times of Moses. ... As the author believes that the Pharaoh's daughter who raised Moses was the future Queen Hatshepsut, then all historical dates linked to Hatshepsut and other 18th Dynasty rulers would have to be shifted backwards in time to make them correspond with his Moses chronology ...".

Robert H. van Gent, DrSn., - Faculty of Physics and Astronomy, Utrecht University, - History of Astronomy Discussion Group, - http://wvnvm.wvnet.edu/htbin/listarch?hastro-l&a:scmcc.archives - Message No.165 & No.179  -  (20-21 January 2002)

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NOTE (web ed.):  See, below, Ove von Spaeth's commments to Conman and van Gelder.

          "... It seems that Ove von Spaeth found a star alignment he liked to fit his Moses theory and simply superimposed it on Senmut's ceiling. ...It seems to have been assumed that all these ceilings are meant to be photographic representations of the sky, possibly stylized, possibly erroneous, but essentially "astronomical" charts. I find this assumption to be inconsistent with the ancient Egyptian culture ...".
          "... What you choose to believe as a matter of faith is one thing, but there is absolutely no evidence to support the historical existence of Moses. There have been dozens of candidates suggested ranging over a period of time of several hundred years. There is no archaeological evidence to support the Biblical story of Exodus ...".

Joanne Conman, Maine, - History of Astronomy Discussion Group, - http://wvnvm.wvnet.edu/htbin/listarch?hastro-l&a:scmcc.archives - Message No.183 & No.187  -  (21 January 2002)

::   OvS's Comments.  -  Debate and criticism are indispensable to science and research. Acknowledgements from esteemed scientists, scholars, and other experts have been productive in the actual case, indeed. However, the invaluable asset of criticism can be misdirected by incorrect quotations from the paper under discussion, and even by "references" to alleged statements, which were never made in the paper. But once entered into the debate, such tend to remain in circulation.

          The two contributions, above - from Conman and van Gent - are from an international Newsgroup for the History of Astronomy and joining the discussions on the internet among researchers, scholars, and scientists concerning Ove von Spaeth's scientific treatise on dating the world's oldest star map. About 25 different letters relating this matter were distributed world wide to all members of the group during the first months of 2002. - Unfortunately, solely based on accounts and comments the two contributors' remarks also contain serious misunderstandings. Just stating their opinions: they 'think', and 'suppose', and 'assume' - but show no concrete facts and data.
          Besides from appearing not to be too well informed or experienced on the special points in this special case, they pronounce their verdict in absentia  having never proven nor documented any error in the paper in question - and yet their newsgroup-talk later has been incompetently referred to as if the opinions here were a real "source". In their own letters on the net Conman and van Gent admit neglecting to consult the primary source, i.e. they had never read the original text/treatise.

          Xerox copies of the treatise can be requested from library article-bases: The reference-No. is ISSN 0008-8994, "Centaurus International Magazine of the History of Mathematics, Science, and Technology", Vol. 42;3, 2000, pp. 159-179. - Or the treatise may be downloaded at the web page: The Senmut Star Map Decoded .

          Furthermore, some of the sceptics (not quoted here) wish to present a somewhat different result (concerning a solar eclipse) based on calculations from certain formulae - e.g. in "The Nautical Almanac", or PC astronomy-programmes - but without knowing the existence of alternative formulae: differences of these formulae are due to hitherto unsolved problems concerning the Delta-T factors.
          Besides, in the treatise the eclipse is of no significance as regards the basic dating of this star map. - (A further criticism cites the impossibility of a "total solar eclipse", in spite of the fact that the treatise does not mention a total eclipse).
          Some of the critics are concerned with alleged Egyptology problems which are non-existent - and they ignore that the treatise's star map contains identifications which previously have been recognized, especially in Neugebauer & Parker's authoritative work "Egyptian Astronomical Texts, I-III".

          A problem appear to occur because some of the critics openly substitute their own opinions and considerations for concrete facts and data. - Furthermore, they forget that the treatise on Senmut's Star Map is published in the esteemed "Centaurus International Magazine of the History of Mathematics, Science, and Technology". Prior to publication in this journal, as required, the treatise has been peer-reviewed by experts. - The same rules and principles apply to "Aristoriton Journal of History, Archaeology and ArtHistory", which published parts of the treatise. Here too, it was peer-reviewed by specialists in the relevant fields and/or topics and, further, by the Editorial Board.

          In addition, authorities on the history of astronomy and Egyptology: - Professor Owen Gingerich, Harvard-Smithsonian Institute, - Dr. Sir Patrick Moore, astronomer, BBC Science Editor, - and Professor Dr. Erik Hornung, Basel Universität, - all with a special knowledge and long-term interest concerning the Senmut star map, have acknowledged - independently and voluntarily - the star map dating project and the value of what it suggests. And no sceptics have proved any calculation wrong concerning the general positions in the sky for the Sun, Moon, and the planets - they are all correct and unambiguous.

          In any case, extensive answers are presented on:  FAQ: Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map .
          Ove von Spaeth

Background:  A treatise by Ove von Spaeth - documenting an exact dating of the oldest Egyptian star chart - and by BBC's Science editor, the British astronomer Dr Sir Patrick Moore, being described as a "major advance".
          The treatise was published in the "Centaurus International Magazine of the History of Mathematics, Science and Technology" (Vol. 42:3, July-August 2000, pp. 159-179). In addition, it is - in an easy to read form - separately presented (by permission) as an Appendix in Ove von Spaeth's work, in the Volume 2: "The Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter".
          The finding in question has been considered, by some experts, as controversial - and very often from those sides it have not been discussed in a proper scientific manner.
          Circumstances concerning these attitudes are now being commented upon by Mathematician and Philosopher Jurij Moskvitin:

- This is for your information. The so far positive, interested statements at Russian websites regarding your thesis on the astronomic dating of Senmut's star chart have now received an unusual comment. At that other Russian website the following is stated - by these words, according to my hasty translation of Dimitri Guschev's original Russian text:

- by Dimitrij Guschev:
( http://hbar.phys.msu.su/gorm/wwwboard/messages47/17702.html ) - 2 October 2002:
          "... Датировка старейшей египетской звездной карты ..." etc., - i.e. "...it (Ove von Spaeth's paper) was also examined in the light of the history of astronomy. The author, like Fomenko, attacking the problem by having only a faint understanding of the symbolism in the Egyptian astronomy, as well as the author entertains his own particular ideas about "correct chronology". Besides, it shows too that the author lies concerning the astronomical calculations of the planets.
          As regards what may be said of the predictions of 3500 years old eclipses - almost anything may be said. Errors in the exact determination of some certain DT for that time would amount to some two-three hours, which does not permit to determine whether the eclipse at the given region was a full one.
          The nearest more or less successful determination of an eclipse which we may take for granted took place 500 years later. And so it turns out that the suggested eclipses have not been visible in Egypt - in spite of the most clever attempts of narrowing the fluctuations of DT. (A correction of 12 hours would be needed) ...".

There is nothing to be done about the fact that Dimitri Guschev has not taken into consideration the reservations you yourself point out regarding the accuracy of the astronomic calculations. And that he is missing a point somehow. Otherwise the precise reservations would have provided sufficient grounds for wringing the neck of that Guschev case (Guschev in Russian means "Mr Goose").
          The reason why he takes such a pessimistic approach is incomprehensible, but perhaps it is because you did not with sufficient deference contact him as being the great expert that he - according to his text about Egyptian astronomic symbolism - believes himself to be. When considering the existence of an original star chart that indicates the occurrence of a solar eclipse 3500 years ago, one should be allowed to focus one's attention on the closest - chronologically and geographically - solar eclipse that actually occurred. Why else would the indication of a solar eclipse be inserted into a star chart?
          The thesis on Senmut's star chart has raised an interesting discussion. In terms of antedating or 'dating-back' - since childhood we've been believing in the infallibility of astronomic professionals, and then along comes Ove von Spaeth who reminds us of there is an enormous dispersion margin over a period of just 3500 years. You have engendered quite a row among astronomers.
          If nothing else, your work will lead to some interesting clarifications - which is more than most books have managed to achieve.

Jurij Moskvitin, Philosopher, Mathematician, Writer, - c/o Gomide, Rua Voluntarios da Patria 166, apt.1302, 22270-010 Rio de Janeiro, Botafogo, Brazil  -  (9.jan.2003)

В свежем номере журнала по истории науки Centaurus 2000, vol. 42, pp. 159-179. Опубликована статья Ove von Spaeth, "Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map".

Привожу начало:
          "The earliest known maps in Egypt are found as a main part of the decor in a tomb (No. TT 353) at Thebes on the West bank of the Nile. The tomb was constructed during the first half of the Egyptian 18 dynasty, probably about 1490 BC, and it belonged to Queen Hatshepsut's vizier and calendar registrar Senmut (or Senenmut).
          The Senmut maps, Fig.1, are almost 4 meters long. They are found on the southern and nothern panels of the ceiling, which is shaped as the inner part of a low-pitched roof of the burial chamber hewed out of the subterranean rock.
          The map on the southern panel proves to reflect a specific conjunction of planets around the longitude of Sirius. This particular configuration of planets actually occured in the sky about May 1534 BC. These characteristics of the maps have not been recognized before. Egyptologists identified the planets on the maps long ago, but the actual occurence of their configuration in the sky can now be verified through modern astronomical calculation."

          P.S. Помнится Дист обещал закрыть свой сайт если я найду древнее решение дендерского зодиака лучшее Фоменковского 18 века - я такое решение быстро нашел. Ждемс.

http://hbar.phys.msu.su/gorm/wwwboard/voprchr/981745387.htm  -  (09 Февраля 2001) (= 09 February 2001)

I find your work on the Senmut star map most interesting, and will alert a physicist/astronomer friend of mine to see it too. I very much appreciate the offprint of your paper.
          Do you have an English publisher for your Moses research? If not, I may have some suggestions. - Regards,

John Anthony West, Egyptologist, author and explorer, New York, http://www.jawest.com/  -  (31 March 2002)

Velcome to: In the Hall of Maat, ... Reply To This Message - Re: So who are your "favorite" Pseudohistorians? ... /Annie Vedelsby, Date: May-17-04, 01:34 : Here pseudoscience is not so common - yet - but I would name Velikovsky, Osman, and a danish gentleman, Ove von Spaeth, who till now has written 4 books in which he is "proving" that Senmut = Moses. I believe that Joanne Conman has seen his paper about Senmut's astronomical ceiling. Greetings Annie Vedelsby. - Reply To This Message - etc. ...

Annie Vedelsby, - Newsgroup: In the Hall of Maat, - www.thehallofmaat.com/maat/read.php?f=1&i=199585&t=199411 - (17.May2004, 01:34)

Supplying Information, - by Ove von Spaeth:  - The following information is published in order to dispel a certain extreme superficiality, and this may help Annie Vedelsby and especially many other readers in similar situations. Unfortunately, the phenomenon is not uncommon in the academic circles.
          In addition - I would like to thank Vedelsby for giving me this opportunity to dismiss the hearsay in question that, for some years, is irresponsibly distributed concerning my research.

          Presenting Moses as a true historical person, was always the main feature of my series of books. However, this aim does not seem to fit in with Vedelsby's beliefs. Among Vedelsby's assumptions and suppositions, she tries to use Joanne Conman as a witness, - whereby Vedelsby "... believes ..." that "... Conman has seen his (OvS's) paper about Senmut's astronomical ceiling ...".
          If any of Vedelsby's beliefs had contained any correct information at all, then fate has not been good to several scientific institutions, e.g. the Jewish National & University Library, The Hebrew University of Jerusalem would then have been lacking this kind of "advice" before they started buying even the first copy of my books. Furthermore, similar "problem" hits The Danish Ministry of Foreign Affairs at its Development Aid Division, Danida, who recommends my books so that the education of the staff can be supplied with information on ancient Egyptian culture and history.

          Vedelsby asserts that I have "... written 4 books 'proving' Senmut = Moses ...". False! In my series of books, five volumes (ultimately) in all, only one volume deals with Senmut - containing new informative finds and discoveries indicating certain historical connections to Moses. Senmut is not mentioned elsewhere, at all. Moreover, I do never in any of my books use the expression "proves", because the books' contents are presented in the only way this material can be useful: in a proper scientific manner.

          Is Vedelsby familiar with the tradition of research applied to basic scientific principles? As a taxidermist at Zoological Museum at the University of Copenhagen, and a member of the Danish Society of Egyptology, she should know. Thus, are Vedelsby's assertions an illusion or deliberate desinformation?
          In terms of the last mentioned and according to examples of Vedelsby's lack of knowledge concerning my books, as she herself has just revealed, she can neither have actually read the books, nor can she have seen a message of Joanne Conman admitting never having read my paper concerning the dating of the Senmut astronomical ceiling (cf. messages of Conman for newsgroup Hastro-L, Jan.2002 - where, furthermore, Conman in advance ignores all facts and data presented in my paper). But, in spite of all this, Vedelsby knows 'for sure' that the author of the books is a "pseudo-historian", and she even knows this beforehand. In any case, this line of action or attitude has absolutely nothing to do with science.

Ove von Spaeth, Zenith I.C. Project, - (31.May,2004).

::  Still, I am grateful that Vedelsby gave me this extra opportunity to contribute with more information:


NOTE I: - My favourite "pseudo-scientists" are Tycho Brahe, Darwin, Albert Einstein, and Schliemann - none of whom originally had a thorough academic scientific training or support, but never the less they invented new, ground-breaking scientific methods and - through by their pioneering scientific research - made discoveries and inventions decisive to history and mankind. Vedelsby chose one of her "...favourite pseudo-historians..." to be Ove von Spaeth, whose work she hasn't studied seriously or understood - indeed, a time-saving achievement.
       Concerning my treatise on Senmut's Star Map, it has been published in the esteemed "Centaurus International Magazine of the History of Mathematics, Science, and Technology".
       Without any of that kind of commentaries, the Ove von Spaeth-paper on the Senmut star map has been received, accepted, and now being accessible worldwide at central libraries of scientific institutions, e.g. in Washington DC, Chicago, Paris, Madrid, Oxford, Cambridge, The Vatican, Cracow, Moscow, Beijing, and Tokyo, - and in several other scientific institutions of history, astronomy, and Egyptology, e.g. in Germany, Belgium, South Africa and Egypt.

          Concerning my research on Moses, my books have been supported by a great number of scientists and experts. To mention a few e.g.: Jes P. Asmussen, Ph.D. (Theology), Professor, formerly at the Carsten Niebuhr Department of Near East Studies, University of Copenhagen; - and Kristian Peder Moesgaard, D.Sc., Professor, History of Science Department, Aarhus University, - Director of the Steno Museum, Denmark's National Museum for the History of Science, Aarhus.
          According to consequences by Vedelsby's expressed beliefs those many experts and institutions must all be wrong. But she knows what is "pseudo".

          Ove von Spaeth


NOTE II:  - Until recently, it had been common practice for scientists - for almost a hundred years - to send/deliver their articles on demand as a copy or off print to other scientists. To do so, many used pre-printed postcards with their address and the words "Dear Colleague, Please send me your article/paper entitled ... etc.". Now, the Internet makes it even easier to acquire an article. The afore-mentioned Joanne Conman has referred to my web site. Although my e-mail-address is well-presented, she has never asked for a copy of my paper, but stated her judgement against my treatise to her Hastro-L-group in January 2001, still - by her own words: - without having read it.
       Conman turned to a fellow newsgroup-member, astronomer van Gent, for support. He hadn't read my paper either, nor had he requested it from me or a library. But this did not stop him from stating, even in a foreign field - and totally outside my paper's content - that a Moses chronology in my books must be feared as being wrong in some way, of course. What a show-off in that group.

          An Australian web site, by Gary D. Thompson, presenting a very useful compilation of literature on ancient astronomy, has placed my paper in this collection together with a strange assertion based on Conman & van Gent's inadequate comments as if these were a result of a serious scientific analysis. - And in continuing the discussions concerning the OvS-paper, now on the Russian Internet, a man named Dimitrij Gusjev, who did not study the paper either, but, instead, he quotes Conman's unfounded opinions as if they were "pure facts". And now, Vedelsby willingly makes a similar mistake.
       My early correspondence with Dr. Clyde W. Tombaugh - a former farm-hand who became a self-taught astronomer and a great expert, and discovered the planet Pluto and more than 1400 asteroids, objects, comets, etc. - is now recorded (side by side, literally, with Carl Sagan's matters) in "Clyde W. Tombaugh Papers" (in New Mexico State University's possession and also to be seen on the Internet). Poor Tombaugh, he did not know that he was exchanging thoughts with a "pseudo". - And regarding to the great Professor in astronomy, the late Carl Sagan, known for his early research (governmental supported) on the possibility of extraterrestrial life - in this avant-garde position he was criticized for performing "pseudo-science". Sagan is often quoted for the statement: "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". Concerning Conman's and Vedelsby's funny assertions, what kind of evidence have they brought forward?

       And why should my paper be considered wrong by a judgement not based on any testing or argumentation concerning the paper's weighty data? Only because Conman says so. Joanne Conman is known as a "competent amateur Egyptologist" (http://members.optusnet.com.au) and may be a good scholar - but in this case, she does not seem to act like one. Debate and criticism are indispensable to science and research, and Conman's criticism would be most welcome and valuable, especially if it related to what had actually been stated.

       Thus, Conman has expressed her considerations only, with no evidence, and has not proven anything at all, and - from bad to worse - her proclamation is without her personal inspection of the source in question! She is entitled to do so, but then she should by honesty inform her learned forum that this opinion of hers is not genuine scientifically based. - The very problem appears to occur with surprising frequency in the academic world, because some of the critics openly substitute their own opinions and considerations for concrete facts and data. Again, this outcome is not scientific at all.
          Ove von Spaeth

          "I have purchased your paper, 'Dating the Oldest Egyptian Star Map', from Centaurus Magazine - via Blackwell. We are preparing a special exhibition about astronomy. I am the Acting Head of the Department of Astronomy at The Kroppedal Museum (formerly The Ole Roemer Museum). The main subject of this department is in general the history of Danish astronomy  (Tycho Brahe, Ole Roemer, etc.), however, we are also engaged in ancient natural science and cosmology. With greatest interest I have read your paper on the dating of the Star Map from the tomb of Senmut."

Jakob Danneskiold-Samsøe, Leading Curator, Department of Astronomy, Kroppedal Museum, (DK-2630 Taastrup),  - astronomi@kroppedal.dk  -  www.kroppedal.dk  -  (27.Apr.2006)

Ancient Star Charts. - The word "star" comes from the Greek term meaning heavenly body;  - Bronze Age 'star chart' found March 2nd ;  - Lascaux, France, 17,000 years ago: in star pictures of the Pleiades;  - Prehistoric Star Maps Identified In France And Spain; -         
          New Discovery  in Ancient Egyptian Star Map ( www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut-survey_en.asp );
          Also, - Star of David - Solomon's Seal ; - Ancient Star Maps; - Ice Age Star Map Discovered BBC - August 2000; - Zodiac - The ancients mapped the stars; - Aboriginal (Native American) Star Knowledge; - Star Charts and Moon Stations; - Sacred Stars and Treasure Maps 5 Pointed Stars.

Ellie Crystal, - Metaphysical and Science Website, Created and Designed by Ellie Crystal. Copyright 1995-2001, - http://www.crystalinks.com/  - Ancient Star Maps  -  (5.Mar.2001)

What did the ancient Egyptians really know about the world of stars? Researchers have discussed this for more than 100 years, but they have not always recognized an impressive knowledge be the ancient peoples.
          Now, Ove von Spaeth, an independent historian in Denmark, has proved that a special dating key with exact astronomical information has been built into the oldest known star map of the world. It is placed in the Luxor tomb of Senmut, the Egyptian grand vizier ca. 1500 BC
In 2000 Ove von Spaeth's pioneering research resulting in a treatise about the map was accepted by the esteemed international science journal, the "Centaurus Magazine of The History of Mathematics, Science, and Technology".

          The discovery and the dating are supporting Ove von Spaeth's new orienting research of the mystery and drama of the historical Moses.
          This appears in particular from von Spaeth's book, "The Enigmatic Son of Pharaoh's Daughter", which also contains the entire treatise as a supplementary appendix. The book is the volume two of his series of books about the historical Moses.

          Ove von Spaeth's five-volume work, "Assassinating Moses" (C.A. Reitzel Publishers, Copenhagen) is considered so impartial that the National and University Library of Israel in Jerusalem has started to buy it. Simultaneously Arab search engines have accepted and described in details the web-site of the book series, www.moses-egypt.net.
          Also, Zdhems Dist, a Russian researcher, has made a Russian homepage entirely about Ove von Spaeth's treatise on the star map.

          Many debates about Ove von Spaeth's discoveries - internationally, on the Net, and in other media - prove lack of knowledge to the original treatise. Now, however, his whole decoding of this exciting star map can be downloaded free of charge in English and in Danish from the web-site of Ove von Spaeth's book-series on Moses, i.e. http://www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut3-treatise_en.asp

Hans Baron Anckarstjerna, Editor under the press law, - SweDano Journal,  - http://www.swedano.dk/&swedano@post.cybercity.dk  -  (5.Jan.2003)

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Imago Mundi Bibliography, JSTOR Collection: Arts & Sciences Complement ... Spaeth, Ove von: - Dating the oldest Egyptian star map / Ove von Spaeth. - 01:53(323) ... Issue: Volume 53, 2001, P. 212.

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Imago Mundi Bibliography, File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat - 2003 Imago Mundi Ltd ISSN 0308-5694 print/1479-7801 online. DOI: 10.1080/0308569032000097594 ... Leitz, Christian: - In response to article of O. von Spaeth  on the star map (TT 353). ... Issue: Volume 55, Number 1 / 8 October 2003, P. 176.

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I have read with interest information provided on your website concerning the research of the Semut star-map and its probable relation to Moses. You suggest the map describes a real astronomical observation in the reign of queen Hatshepsut.

          As I am writing a book on the chronology of Jesus Christ, my interest was drawn to what seems a conjunction of Saturn and Jupiter in the very year that an eclipse of the sun occurred over Egypt.
          My research shows two possible dates for the solar eclipse, one retro-calculation with "Voyager" software came up with June 1, 1478 BC, in the "pot" or "well" of Gemini; the other by Aymen M. Ibrahem, author of Egyptian Cosmology, Part III, Solar Eclipses, places the eclipse in year 15 of queen Hatshepsut, Julian date August 23, 1463 BC.

          The latter date seems more likely and is further corroborated by a reference to a solar eclipse in the text on the base of the standing obelisk of the queen at Karnak and the fact that the star Sirius, is shown as visible in the night sky, i.e. after its rising in the month of July of that year.

Don Leichel, New Zealand - exalto@clear.net.nz  -  (14.Nov.2005)

::   OvS's reply.    It will be important to be cautious when using the "easy" software of astronomy programmes. Generally, they are not very precise when going that far back in time. Then, concerning two solar eclipses - 1478 BC and 1463 BC - which you mention having taken place in the years of queen Hatshepsut - there seems to be some differences here, since many indications prove that she died in the middle of the 1480'es BG.

          In the course of Egyptology through the last 150 years, there exist many chronology hypothesis on early 18th dynasty - and approx. every 15-20 years a new trend is added. Again, be careful, the texts on the base of her obelisk are well-known, and normally in the translations there seems no mention of any solar eclipse.
          An exact dating of the Senmut star map - established by me, originally in 1984, and in 2000 being published in an international scientific journal - is the first astronomically based fixation of the period in question. A point in my dating research on the map is the discovery of the fact that all, or almost all, planets are gathered around the meridian of Sirius. A list of such conjunctions - mostly taking place in the celestial sector Gemini - through 2300 years (100 AD--2200 BC) is available from my treatise, to be downloaded from:  www.moses-egypt.net/star-map/senmut3-treatise_en.asp

          These Sirius conjunctions appear to be a somewhat rare phenomenon. However, if you only look for conjunctions of Jupiter and Saturn, these will happen every 20th year and should be, accordingly, of no extra significance or interest.

          Besides, be careful also with this, last mentioned, type of conjunction, because no ancient astronomer would ever mistake planet conjunctions for a star (the so-called "Star of Bethlehem"). And by the way, when determining the years of Jesus most historians and chronologists calculate - erroneously - the Roman Emperor Tiberus from the time of Augustus' death. But in fact, he was already emperor of the eastern (!) part of the Roman Empire from the year 4 AD - he was Augustus' co-regent, and they are pictured together on Roman coins from that time. - Hoping that the information will be of some use, - thanks for your interest,

          Ove von Spaeth

In reference to my previous e-mail I wish to draw your attention to the now proven parallel between the astronomical event around Moses' birth in Egypt and the Star of Bethlehem around Jesus' birth. You write (correctly) there is a conjunction of Jupiter and Saturn about every 20th year. However, there is a conjunction of these two planets in Pisces about every 800 years and this "rarity" makes it a much more interesting phenomenon from the ancient astrological viewpoint, astrology being an extension of the practice of astronomy.
          For several reasons (described in my book), Matthew's Gospel is careful to describe the event that prompted the wise men to visit Bethlehem as an astronomical event, only the event was explained by the visiting astronomers-astrologers in astrological terms. This is the key to understanding the singular use of the word "star" by Matthew. It means the "Star Sign"  or  "Ascendant" (Jupiter in Pisces) at birth and there are certain valid grounds why Pisces, particularly in combination with Saturn, were considered by the wise men to be connected with Israel.
 
          Your research in relation to the Senmut astronomical event complements my decade research in relation to the hidden mathematical code in the prophecy of the "sevens" in chapter 9 of the Book of Daniel, which predicts the advent of the Messiah in the era of the Roman Empire. On the basis of the discovered code, I have been able to prove the chronology of Jesus, starting with his birth in 7/6 BC. All the mutually inclusive evidence of the chronology (date of birth, baptism and death) is in chapters 3-6 of my book with the proposed title IPSO FACTO (the facts about Jesus). I have found your research a welcome complement to my endeavour in having the results of my factual findings published.

Don Leichel, New Zealand - exalto@clear.net.nz  -  (29.Dec.2005)

::   OvS's reply.    As I stated last time: no astronomer of the ancient world would ever mistake a planet conjunction for a "star". I cannot follow you any longer on that road. Besides, the whole subject is not in the focus in my field of research.
          Don't try to make given facts fit into hypothesis - the whole operation should be done the other way around, of course. You should research much more - e.g. when did King Herod hold his census? Such were always held in connection with taxations. Herod is known for lowering the tax with 25% in the year 14 BC. Around that time there was a Roman governor Saturnius in Syria (in Tyros) and he had the same name as another governor who was Quirinius' predecessor, approx. 10 years later. The Bible can fully correctly(!) be translated so that its Greek text is being pointing at either of them, i.e. two different pointers for a time fixation.
          The oldest Christian calendars (Ethiopian and Armenian) go back to ca. year 10 BC.

          Also Father of Church, Origen of Caesarea (185-254), states that the so-called "Bethlehem star" was not really a star, and he uses an expression from Egyptian-Greek astronomer Manetho in Alexandria while saying that it was not even a comet but something more like a nebula - and by this brings us close to the same description as used for Hipparchus' discovery of a nova (supernova). This was an appearance which in fact would be noted, so unusual as it was. The same goes for the biblical star observation in question. However, concerning the planet Jupiter and the constellation Pisces alluding to Israel, all this is a later speculation, a medieval concept having no support - not by even a single source from Antiquity. Besides, there was almost  never any country "Israel" (except in eras of David-Solomon era and of the Maccabees), but in the actual case being a Roman protectorate, Palestine, which not even covered quite the same geographic area as alleged in the scriptures.

         In my first mail to you, I gave you some clues - and for the present you get some more. If you won't receive them, there is nothing I can do. However, it is well-known that many fine explorations have been done by not following advice from others.
          From the library you could get a very ingenious and informative book written by a Norwegian friend of mine - and although I do not necessary have to agree in all detail of his special matter (e.g. the conjunction being a star), but still his valuable text is full of many interesting data:  Gustav Teres SJ: "The Bible and Astronomy. The Magi and the Star in the Gospel", 3rd. ed., (Springer) Berlin and Budapest, 1999. - Good luck, whatever you choose,

          Ove von Spaeth